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Barry-xlovecam 11-03-2012 03:54 AM
Political parties use cookies
 
Political parties drop cookies on you, study your behavior, and then tailor their ( []spam, []spin, or []message -- choose one) to suit.

If you wonder why the EU took the anti-cookie position in the sweeping new EU e-privacy directive this has to be one reason for it ...

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The campaigns have planted software known as cookies on voters’ computers to see if they frequent evangelical or erotic Web sites for clues to their moral perspectives. Voters who visit religious Web sites might be greeted with religion-friendly messages when they return to mittromney.com or barackobama.com. The campaigns’ consultants have run experiments to determine if embarrassing someone for not voting by sending letters to their neighbors or posting their voting histories online is effective.

“I’ve had half-a-dozen conversations with third parties who are wondering if this is the year to start shaming,” said one consultant who works closely with Democratic organizations. “Obama can’t do it. But the ‘super PACs’ are anonymous. They don’t have to put anything on the flier to let the voter know who to blame.”

While the campaigns say they do not buy data that they consider intrusive, the Democratic and Republican National Committees combined have spent at least $13 million this year on data acquisition and related services. The parties have paid companies like Acxiom, Experian or Equifax, which are currently subjects of Congressional scrutiny over privacy concerns.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/us...anted=all&_r=0
On the bright side -- I don't have these asshats calling me on the phone ... (VOIP unlisted?) Have you noticed any effects? Will they start using Skype to solicit in 2016?

AdultPornMasta 11-03-2012 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19292168)
Political parties drop cookies on you, study your behavior, and then tailor their ( []spam, []spin, or []message -- choose one) to suit.

If you wonder why the EU took the anti-cookie position in the sweeping new EU e-privacy directive this has to be one reason for it ...



On the bright side -- I don't have these asshats calling me on the phone ... (VOIP unlisted?) Have you noticed any effects? Will they start using Skype to solicit in 2016?
Now the Gecko says that political parties should be real parties with presents and cake and stuff.

Everybody else uses cookies.

Why not?

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potter 11-03-2012 08:47 AM
Cookies cannot see what other websites you have visited. They cannot track your browser history.

How can misinformation like this be posted on a webmaster forum.

geedub 11-03-2012 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by potter (Post 19292421)
Cookies cannot see what other websites you have visited. They cannot track your browser history.

How can misinformation like this be posted on a webmaster forum.
I am convinced LUCK has been a major factor in a lot of people's businesses and that is why a lot are failing now that competition is higher, piracy is more mainstream, and the internet is a lot bigger.. But hey, wtf do I know? :upsidedow

Barry-xlovecam 11-03-2012 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by potter (Post 19292421)
Cookies cannot see what other websites you have visited. They cannot track your browser history.

How can misinformation like this be posted on a webmaster forum.
How amusing ... "They cannot track your browser history." You are kidding right?

helterskelter808 11-03-2012 10:17 AM
Speaking of strange things on websites, did you see this thread, Barry?

"I just discovered that when i visit www.xlovecam.com it automatically opens scoopers.com. Any webmaster promoting them did noticed that? Do you think it is ok?"

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1087727

Barry-xlovecam 11-03-2012 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19292526)
Speaking of strange things on websites, did you see this thread, Barry?

"I just discovered that when i visit www.xlovecam.com it automatically opens scoopers.com. Any webmaster promoting them did noticed that? Do you think it is ok?"

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1087727
Yeah I saw it. It's just an advertisement to a non-competitive website, non-competitive to us or anyone affiliated with us. I can't see why it would really matter considering how common traffic networks are.


signupdamnit 11-03-2012 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19292769)
Yeah I saw it. It's just an advertisement to a non-competitive website, non-competitive to us or anyone affiliate with us. I can't see why it would really matter considering how common traffic networks are.

Because it's like stealing. Your affiliates aren't sending you traffic so that you can make money on other ventures or sell that traffic to others. They are sending you the traffic with good faith that you will honestly try to convert it in a direct manner. If you want to do stuff like this then start paying your affiliates per impression or per unique.

At the very least the ethical thing to do is to send out a mailer admitting that you are doing this. Suddenly sneaking it in there without notice is crap and is part of the reason why many affiliates are leaving the industry. Even if it hurts affiliate conversions by 5% that can be significant. It's also the principle of the matter. If you do this what else are you doing? What's next? It's like catching a thief.

Barry-xlovecam 11-03-2012 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19292776)
Because it's like stealing. Your affiliates aren't sending you traffic so that you can make money on other ventures or sell that traffic to others. They are sending you the traffic with good faith that you will honestly try to convert it in a direct manner. If you want to do stuff like this then start paying your affiliates per impression or per unique.

At the very least the ethical thing to do is to send out a mailer admitting that you are doing this. Suddenly sneaking it in there without notice is crap and is part of the reason why many affiliates are leaving the industry. Even if it hurts affiliate conversions by 5% that can be significant. It's also the principle of the matter. If you do this what else are you doing? What's next? It's like catching a thief.


The affiliate link is loaded there is no redirect. A customer can just close the pop-up and continue on

Well, even if actually harmed our own conversions from AdWords and traffic that we buy -- it would be significant. Fact is, it has not negatively affected our purchased traffic sales conversion rates nor our affiliate referrals or payouts for xlovecam.com last month.

So, I'll pass along your response for its due consideration.

Matt 26z 11-03-2012 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19292512)
How amusing ... "They cannot track your browser history." You are kidding right?
Cookies have been the boogie man of internet security over the past several years. Non-techies hear the word TRACKING and just freak out.

No website can access your internet history without planting an illegal trojan horse to send personal data from your computer back to them.

Barry-xlovecam 11-03-2012 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 19292879)
Cookies have been the boogie man of internet security over the past several years. Non-techies hear the word TRACKING and just freak out.

No website can access your internet history without planting an illegal trojan horse to send personal data from your computer back to them.
Browsing history not the local browser file -- I didn't take that reply literally and if it was meant so then it is not true.

To Name some common tracking cookies:
24/7 Media
Audience Science
ChartBeat
Clickability Beacon
Disqus
DoubleClick DART
Dynamic Logic
Facebook Connect
Facebook Social Plugins
Google +1
Google Analytics
Gravity Insights
InsightExpress
Lotame
NetRatings SiteCensus
Omniture
Outbrain
ScoreCard Research Beacon
ShareThis
Taboola
Twitter Badge
Twitter Button
Visual Revenue

I got these blocked on 2 news sites in the USA.
Many of the the above will sell this information supposedly only in aggregate form.
I have personally spoken with companies that obtain this information or whose members share this sort of information with analytical programs.

Associating a person with an IP Address with cookies is not that reliable but with the right data, and from the web not court ordered subpoenas, it's better than 65% right.

Every e-commerce transaction you make on a PCI-DSS Billing Server stores your name and IP address used (as well as your full credit card data) this data may be shared with credit bureaus.

Bottom line there is enough data out there to make the scenario plausible.

https://www.rapleaf.com/how-it-works/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...web-monitoring

Anyway, The New York Times, the EU Parliament, and the US Congress have all showed an interest; they are not the typical "tin foil hat types."

potter 11-04-2012 10:07 AM
Barry,

Cookies cannot access your internet history, they cannot access your browsers history. Let me explain to you what a cookie is real quick .

A cookie in all reality is just a plain text file created in a temp folder on your computer. Let's say you visit my website and I want to create a cookie for you. I run a function to create a cookie (from whatever scripting language), and this sends your browser a message that says "create a cookie". I can tell this function what information I want stored in the cookie (date, and any other information I have available from my script). The cookie is then created by your browser in your temp folder. Now, a key thing to keep in mind is this cookie is created using the domain of the current website. So let's say this all just took place at website-a.com. The cookie was saved for website-a.com.

Now let's say you visit website-b.com, this website has a script that gathers all cookies and looks at their information. When this script is run it gets all the cookies that were created from website-b.com and loads their information. This website cannot look at cookies from website-a.com. No browser or computer in the world let's one domain look at cookies from another domain. They don't let you store cookies "pretending" to be a different domain, they don't let you save data to cookies from other domains, they don't let you do shit with cookies from other domains. They aren't even allowed to see if cookies from other domains exist.

You should fucking know this. Specially if you own a program?!

Barry-xlovecam 11-04-2012 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19292961)
Browsing history not the local browser file -- I didn't take that reply literally and if it was meant so then it is not true.


My statement was meant and don't patronize me.

As for the pop up issue; if this bothers you can use one of our white labels -- there are no pop-ups. (Branding not included.)

Killswitch 11-04-2012 03:40 PM
The retardation in this thread is astounding.

Lace 11-04-2012 04:23 PM
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Dirty F 11-04-2012 04:36 PM
Barry, stop acting like a fucking retard.

RyuLion 11-04-2012 09:11 PM
I'm a cookie monster! :p

Barry-xlovecam 11-04-2012 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19294209)
Barry, stop acting like a fucking retard.
OK

There is no such thing as browser tracking?


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