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seeric 11-01-2012 06:25 PM

Question to those Californians who've voted already. Answer please.
 
Although I educated myself on the ballot measures and developed a clear feeling one way or the other, I found myself voting the opposite way when it came time to decide.

I don't trust the government anymore, and from many conversations I've had over the last few months leading up to the elections, I get the feeling that many others in California are losing trust in government too. Not only federal, but state and local.

I voted no on two or three measures that would probably help our state, but at the end of the day I did it because I don't trust the government to do the right thing with the money. So, the lesser of two evils. At least if I don't give them my money, I can do something with it to ensure my life is better. We donate money locally to charities and participate in the community on the regular.

I really wanted to vote yes for 30 and 31. I wouldn't mind that my taxes are raised even a much larger amount than what they are now.

So, I guess there are two perspectives to what happened. You lose if you vote yes and they misappropriate the money, and you lose if you vote no and the law doesn't pass when they actually would have done the right thing (assuming that they would). The chances of them doing the right thing with the money is not very good, as history has proven. I'm not going to give them more money to misappropriate and squander.

Do you catch yourself thinking that way too?

I don't believe in blind trust anymore.

DWB 11-01-2012 06:35 PM

I can't participate anymore. It just doesn't make sense. Like you, I have zero trust in the government.

MovieMaster 11-01-2012 06:42 PM

Voted no on all of them, they need to learn how to manage our current tax money better and when they do that we might trust them with more. Till then fuck them

MetaMan 11-01-2012 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeric (Post 19289908)
Although I educated myself on the ballot measures and developed a clear feeling one way or the other, I found myself voting the opposite way when it came time to decide.

I don't trust the government anymore, and from many conversations I've had over the last few months leading up to the elections, I get the feeling that many others in California are losing trust in government too. Not only federal, but state and local.

I voted no on two or three measures that would probably help our state, but at the end of the day I did it because I don't trust the government to do the right thing with the money. So, the lesser of two evils. At least if I don't give them my money, I can do something with it to ensure my life is better. We donate money locally to charities and participate in the community on the regular.

I really wanted to vote yes for 30 and 31. I wouldn't mind that my taxes are raised even a much larger amount than what they are now.

So, I guess there are two perspectives to what happened. You lose if you vote yes and they misappropriate the money, and you lose if you vote no and the law doesn't pass when they actually would have done the right thing (assuming that they would). The chances of them doing the right thing with the money is not very good, as history has proven. I'm not going to give them more money to misappropriate and squander.

Do you catch yourself thinking that way too?

I don't believe in blind trust anymore.

kindly find the nearest free way and walk into traffic.


holy fuck maybe one of the most annoying blabbering posts in history.

Sly 11-01-2012 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeric (Post 19289908)

So, I guess there are two perspectives to what happened. You lose if you vote yes and they misappropriate the money, and you lose if you vote no and the law doesn't pass when they actually would have done the right thing (assuming that they would). The chances of them doing the right thing with the money is not very good, as history has proven. I'm not going to give them more money to misappropriate and squander.

This is what I believe.

It's much easier to give away, then to take back. The minute the people give the government more money, that money is gone for a long, long time. Removing taxes is extremely difficult. Cutting programs provided by those taxes is even more difficult.

The government cannot properly spend the money that they have. There is no way that I can trust them with more money, even if the cause is good.

Vendzilla 11-01-2012 09:46 PM

Politicians always run on what they are going to give you, to do that, they need money and will take it any way they can so they can stay in office

StickyGreen 11-01-2012 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeric (Post 19289908)
I wouldn't mind that my taxes are raised even a much larger amount than what they are now.

Why would you want to give more of your money to some worthless inefficient government?

This shit is crazy to me, people actually WANT to give their money away to the government. lol

mce 11-01-2012 10:45 PM

Vote no. You fund something, you get more of it. That's the rule of the land...

seeric 11-02-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 19289976)
kindly find the nearest free way and walk into traffic.


holy fuck maybe one of the most annoying blabbering posts in history.

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seeric 11-02-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19290177)
Why would you want to give more of your money to some worthless inefficient government?

This shit is crazy to me, people actually WANT to give their money away to the government. lol

Because I can. It's called contributing to society. Making your state a better place to live for all.

If governments ran efficiently and didn't misappropriate tax dollars you would see a lot more people who CAN pay more taxes offer to do so.

As it stands now, people who have some extra cash aren't going to offer it up to a system that's proven broken time in and time out.

:2 cents:

DWB 11-02-2012 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeric (Post 19291216)
Because I can. It's called contributing to society. Making your state a better place to live for all.

If governments ran efficiently and didn't misappropriate tax dollars you would see a lot more people who CAN pay more taxes offer to do so.

As it stands now, people who have some extra cash aren't going to offer it up to a system that's proven broken time in and time out.

:2 cents:

And there is the problem. You can't trust those in power to do the right thing, so you don't want to pay more. In fact, you KNOW they won't do the right thing.

baddog 11-02-2012 04:58 PM

No on 30, yes on 31


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