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windycityxx 10-31-2012 08:52 PM

Are porn auditions totally legal?
 
I am sure there are some fine lines.. but in general....

Is it really legal to put up an ad on Craigslist for adult work.... have the girl come in.... shoot a video of her having sex..... and put it on your pay site or sell the content for profit, without giving the girl a dime.... and then deciding if she is worth bringing in a second time to "pay" her for work?

shake 10-31-2012 08:53 PM

Everything you see in porn is true. :2 cents:

gabe100 10-31-2012 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by windycityxx (Post 19285888)
I am sure there are some fine lines.. but in general....

Is it really legal to put up an ad on Craigslist for adult work.... have the girl come in.... shoot a video of her having sex..... and put it on your pay site or sell the content for profit, without giving the girl a dime.... and then deciding if she is worth bringing in a second time to "pay" her for work?


Great question. It's legal for sure because you are not paying them. The guy in AZ tells the girls they will get work and the guy in Cali puts them in a calendar.
:2 cents:

SmutHammer 10-31-2012 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by shake (Post 19285889)
Everything you see in porn is true. :2 cents:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

L-Pink 10-31-2012 09:25 PM

You sound like a class act.

xXXtesy10 10-31-2012 10:02 PM

Everything is all good bro.

amateurcanada 10-31-2012 10:11 PM

craigslist will ban ya problably lol. just put some ads up, network within the few girls who do apply and in 10 years you will be like me lol

baryl 10-31-2012 10:14 PM

No creepy guy on Craigslist has ever thought of doing this before.

fitzmulti 10-31-2012 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by windycityxx (Post 19285888)
I am sure there are some fine lines.. but in general....

Is it really legal to put up an ad on Craigslist for adult work.... have the girl come in.... shoot a video of her having sex..... and put it on your pay site or sell the content for profit, without giving the girl a dime.... and then deciding if she is worth bringing in a second time to "pay" her for work?

Everywhere, except Chicago. {and it's suburbs, all the way West to Rockford & up North to the Wisconsin border, and as far south as you can go, and East to Lake Shore Drive. East of that, Lakefront TRAIL for example, is okay.}

;-)

inthecrack 10-31-2012 11:24 PM

If you put her on your site without a release form you'd have a lot of problems. And why would you do this without paying her anyways? That's kind of a slime ball thing to do.

johnnyloadproductions 10-31-2012 11:35 PM

Windy City, so all base all my information off of Chicago, which is where it is an adult shoots and a lot of Johnny load content was made.
To be sure you always talk to a lawyer and I think a auditions are no different from regular shoots. I did several auditions in a warehouse office and also in a hotel room. Just line a bunch of guys or gals up that you find on craigslist and have each successive one come 15 min. apart because at least half of them flaked out.

what I usually do is have the men perform a solo scene in front of me, but this would mean having a female actress next to me so it wasn't "gay" you might say. If the guy can stay hard Jack himself off and blow his load all over the table while you're filming him, that's a pretty good indicator he's going to be able to perform for you.

Finding talent moreover is just a benefit if you have the lifestyle that makes it easy, I don't for the most part even though I'm pretty good at cold calls.

Probably the funniest story I know of though is a man that shot a gangband had a guy show up late and went to the front desk and said "um, yeah... I'm here for the gangbang" FUCKING IDIOT.

Crazy boyfriends too, like getting your appendix ruptured by getting stuck with a butter knife. Story from a producer I know.

You can shoot porn anywhere, you can also do whatever you want until you get caught. Best advice stay low-key, don't make any profiles on social media sites bragging about shooting porn or doing anything like that. at best you shoot soft core stills.

You should be fine if you're not a rabble-rouser. Is smoking pot legal? No, but it's so commonplace ( LIKE PIRACY) that nobody even bats an eye when they hear about it. Porn is still taboo, so keep quiet about what you do and no harm shall come upon you.
Best of luck to you.

pumpercloggs 10-31-2012 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by amateurcanada (Post 19285969)
craigslist will ban ya problably lol. just put some ads up, network within the few girls who do apply and in 10 years you will be like me lol

hope he can do better than "Unable to connect to the database server at this time"

ReggieDurango 10-31-2012 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by windycityxx (Post 19285888)
I am sure there are some fine lines.. but in general....

Is it really legal to put up an ad on Craigslist for adult work.... have the girl come in.... shoot a video of her having sex..... and put it on your pay site or sell the content for profit, without giving the girl a dime.... and then deciding if she is worth bringing in a second time to "pay" her for work?

Hahahahaha no one ACTUALLY does this! Those scenes on backroomcastingcouch are fake obviously

adult-help 11-01-2012 12:19 AM

I never really understood this: prostitution is illegal but if you bring girl home,pay hr and film her then it is ok.. so if you film the prostitute you are off the hook? Because lets face it - in the end, porn stars and prostitutes are the same: giving sex for money.

mce 11-01-2012 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shake (Post 19285889)
Everything you see in porn is true. :2 cents:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

mce 11-01-2012 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by adult-help (Post 19286036)
I never really understood this: prostitution is illegal but if you bring girl home,pay hr and film her then it is ok.. so if you film the prostitute you are off the hook? Because lets face it - in the end, porn stars and prostitutes are the same: giving sex for money.

This court case spells it all out: People v. Freeman, 46 Cal. 3d 419 (1988)

Paul Markham 11-01-2012 02:07 AM

Have you ever thought of asking a lawyer?

Hiring a porn girl for sex, with the pretence the scene is Amateur voyeur. Will get you a far better sex session and probably cheaper than any hooker. Of course I have no experience of this. :winkwink:

Paul Markham 11-01-2012 02:25 AM

In fact doing this kind of shoot, hiring a porn girl to come in and fuck you, would IMO be a great niche.

Set up, would be the explanation. showing where the cameras are hidden. Have to be hidden. And should be at least 2, 3 is best.

Then book the girl to meet you and fuck you. On the pretence you have a job in porn for her. It's basically a "Can you fuck when you're told to?" scenario.

She can do all sorts of things like solo girl and strip and masturbate to a climax while the shooter watches or even joins in or jerks off. 2 girls turn up and do a lesbian audition or the whole hog of sex.

Keep it voyeur and keep it real.

Seen 100s of "Casting" scenes that are so fake because of the shooting. This idea would be far better.

Back in the day, I had a client who was buying these for his chain of French porn shops. Stupid me sent him the masters. Live and learn. One tape was of me "testing" 5 Czech girls. They were told to bring passports and the camera was set up and it just ran.

If you can set the scene for real, even better.

pimpmaster9000 11-01-2012 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by windycityxx (Post 19285888)
I am sure there are some fine lines.. but in general....

Is it really legal to put up an ad on Craigslist for adult work.... have the girl come in.... shoot a video of her having sex..... and put it on your pay site or sell the content for profit, without giving the girl a dime.... and then deciding if she is worth bringing in a second time to "pay" her for work?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

ImLarge 11-01-2012 01:48 PM

If you use there photos video to make money you need to pay them and you need a release

B.Barnato 11-01-2012 01:50 PM

So where do I audition?

Dirty Dane 11-01-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shake (Post 19285889)
Everything you see in porn is true. :2 cents:

:thumbsup

x-rate 11-01-2012 01:59 PM

I remember back in days when I had my first cam studio in Montreal and I was advertising at same place than dugmor for some models. They had a site called Pornaudition.com (which is still up but seem not updated) they were fucking up the business in Montreal. Half of people that were calling was asking me: 'well what's the catch with you?' After few call like this I figured out what was going on and I putted: 'Get paid big $$$ for your audition' After that I heard they were piss off! :)

dgraves 11-01-2012 03:22 PM

I've had girls contact me and to ask how much it costs to be in one of my Gloryhole videos. Those are the keepers!

epitome 11-01-2012 04:06 PM

The Supreme Court ruled it was legal after a company called Bang Bros went around in a van in Miami picking up random girls and refusing to pay them and was challenged in court. People swear Bang Bus is fake but it's now legal. There's some porn history for you.

BlackAndBlue 11-01-2012 04:50 PM

It's only legal in 2 states
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adult-help (Post 19286036)
I never really understood this: prostitution is illegal but if you bring girl home,pay hr and film her then it is ok.. so if you film the prostitute you are off the hook? Because lets face it - in the end, porn stars and prostitutes are the same: giving sex for money.

It's only legal to do it in two states, California and New Hampshire. Other states it goes down as pandering, prostitution, obscenity and a host of other legal charges if you're caught.

BlackAndBlue 11-01-2012 04:52 PM

US states that is
 
It's only legal in two US states. Whatever goes on in other countries isn't knowledge I have.

blackmonsters 11-01-2012 06:43 PM

Paying people is how you keep from losing everything you made after they realize you got rich and sue for non-pay.

There is no definition I know of that says auditions can be commercially promoted.

Besides, where are you going to find people this stupid? Even crack heads want $5.

:1orglaugh

DBS.US 11-01-2012 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shake (Post 19285889)
Everything you see in porn is true. :2 cents:

Just like the NASA films:winkwink:

pornlaw 11-01-2012 08:30 PM

Here is some really important language from Freeman you should be aware of...
"The payment of acting fees was the only payment involved in the instant case. This payment was made to the actors for performing in a nonobscene film. There is no evidence that defendant paid the acting fees [46 Cal.3d 425] for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification, his own or the actors.' Defendant, of course, did not himself participate in any of the sexual conduct. Defendant, the payor, thus did not engage in either the requisite conduct nor did he have the requisite mens rea or purpose to establish procurement for purposes of prostitution."
Even if there's a camera in the room - if you are the producer and the male talent, under Freeman - its still prostitution.

bronco67 11-01-2012 08:55 PM

Whatever girls come to your auditions will be the luckiest girls on earth.

PornoMonster 11-01-2012 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by windycityxx (Post 19285888)
I am sure there are some fine lines.. but in general....

Is it really legal to put up an ad on Craigslist for adult work.... have the girl come in.... shoot a video of her having sex..... and put it on your pay site or sell the content for profit, without giving the girl a dime.... and then deciding if she is worth bringing in a second time to "pay" her for work?

How many sites do you pay for? HA

PornoMonster 11-01-2012 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adult-help (Post 19286036)
I never really understood this: prostitution is illegal but if you bring girl home,pay hr and film her then it is ok.. so if you film the prostitute you are off the hook? Because lets face it - in the end, porn stars and prostitutes are the same: giving sex for money.

Depends on your State. Any sex act for money is illegal in my bible belt state! Do they enforce it, no.

So, if they did not pay, then ha yep it keeps it Legal as long as the girl signed the release, and had 2+ forms of ID...

PornoMonster 11-01-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 19290026)
Here is some really important language from Freeman you should be aware of...
"The payment of acting fees was the only payment involved in the instant case. This payment was made to the actors for performing in a nonobscene film. There is no evidence that defendant paid the acting fees [46 Cal.3d 425] for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification, his own or the actors.' Defendant, of course, did not himself participate in any of the sexual conduct. Defendant, the payor, thus did not engage in either the requisite conduct nor did he have the requisite mens rea or purpose to establish procurement for purposes of prostitution."
Even if there's a camera in the room - if you are the producer and the male talent, under Freeman - its still prostitution.

I need to hire a Producer!!!!

windycityxx 11-02-2012 09:42 AM

I was just curious as there are a ton of "porn audition" sites and was wondering if any of them were actually "real"

JP-pornshooter 11-02-2012 10:07 AM

i do this all the time, sometimes i find myself even forgetting to turn on the camera, oh bummer - need to schedule a second audition.
after all have you ever heard of anyone getting hired after just one audition?
right..

dgraves 11-02-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by windycityxx (Post 19290808)
I was just curious as there are a ton of "porn audition" sites and was wondering if any of them were actually "real"

If they were real, the producer would still have to get 2257 doc and have the girl sign a Model Release. Any producer that would do that is a douche bag and any girl dumb enough to do that probably isn't worth the money in the first place.

V_RocKs 11-02-2012 01:20 PM

Until Romney enters the White House.

AmateurKing 11-02-2012 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shake (Post 19285889)
Everything you see in porn is true. :2 cents:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

fitzmulti 11-02-2012 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by windycityxx (Post 19290808)
I was just curious as there are a ton of "porn audition" sites and was wondering if any of them were actually "real"

Nope, unless the guy posting the scenes is an idiot w/o getting ID's/2257/releases and the girl is dumb enough to do it.
But for the 99.99999% most part, no they aren't real.

I shoot those quite often...
Fitz

shimmy2 11-02-2012 06:58 PM

you can have all the IDs, 2257s, and releases you want... in the end it makes no difference when you're on the evening news. at the end of the day you're a pornographer, despite the fact you pay taxes and run a legal operation you are still considered a lowlife thug with a big fancy camera to most of the free world who can't get laid to save their life. once you accept this as fact you'll find it much easier to deal with reality. you're a petty criminal at the end of the day and while porn is not illegal its definitely hot and taboo. i know we're all computer nerds here and shit but you guys need to quit pretending that we're just angels who code html, blog, and upload videos. you're all bad guys to the rest of the world

epitome 11-02-2012 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 19290026)
Here is some really important language from Freeman you should be aware of...
"The payment of acting fees was the only payment involved in the instant case. This payment was made to the actors for performing in a nonobscene film. There is no evidence that defendant paid the acting fees [46 Cal.3d 425] for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification, his own or the actors.' Defendant, of course, did not himself participate in any of the sexual conduct. Defendant, the payor, thus did not engage in either the requisite conduct nor did he have the requisite mens rea or purpose to establish procurement for purposes of prostitution."
Even if there's a camera in the room - if you are the producer and the male talent, under Freeman - its still prostitution.

So bring a buddy with you to your hotel room with a video camera, pay the hooker, have him have her sign a release and you're good? :1orglaugh

That would actually be pretty funny on an episode of COPS as they all stand around trying to figure out whether or not to cart them off to jail.

mchacal 11-03-2012 07:22 AM

Just pay the bitches cheap bastard

ilnjscb 11-03-2012 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by shimmy2 (Post 19291818)
you can have all the IDs, 2257s, and releases you want... in the end it makes no difference when you're on the evening news. at the end of the day you're a pornographer, despite the fact you pay taxes and run a legal operation you are still considered a lowlife thug with a big fancy camera to most of the free world who can't get laid to save their life. once you accept this as fact you'll find it much easier to deal with reality. you're a petty criminal at the end of the day and while porn is not illegal its definitely hot and taboo. i know we're all computer nerds here and shit but you guys need to quit pretending that we're just angels who code html, blog, and upload videos. you're all bad guys to the rest of the world

Truth

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