Romney/Obama Election...
 

So... based on the limited information I have seen from TV and internet advertisements and campaign spam I get in my real mailbox... it looks like we're fucked either way...

On one hand, you have Romney, who will send even more manufacturing jobs overseas. Also heard that he buys companies just to run them into the ground and bankrupt them.

On the other hand, you have Obama, who has really fucked this country so far and wants to force people to carry health insurance by 2014 (?) or you're basically fined on your tax returns.... among so many other things that it's not even funny.

The 2 paragraphs above are simply my observations. Tell me why one is better than the other. Enlighten me. :)

One final thought... 4 years ago, right around this time, gas was plummeting to the point where it was selling for less than $2/gal here in the US/Ohio area... why is it skyrocketing right now?

Sorry to hear that.

If you vote for Obama or Romney, you vote for a two-party system. If you want change, vote for Gary Johnson.

Maybe Ron Paul will form his own party, but it wouldn't make any difference as there is 'Electronic Voting'

Do what the lunatics do, vote for Ron Paul.

your vote counts

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You are always voting for the lesser of two evils.

Right now you have Romney and Obama, and Obama is the clear choice. And that's fucking sad - Because it seems to me Obama has never really had a real job or owned a business his entire life.

Republicans got divided......sensing of another defeat of them.......

Highly moronic view - turn off Fox and Limbaugh and open your mind homie - I'm sure you are smart enough to grasp the concept that people who dont carry insurance still go in and get care that they don't pay for thus putting a DRAIN on the system that is bankrupting the economy - the mandate for health ins makes sure there is enough cash flow in to cover the expenditures. This is a REPUBLICAN idea and one of the few that is fair, equitable, and makes perfect sense.

The Republican opposition to a mandate now is FAKE - just like everything else about the Republiscams - they feign outrage over it because it makes for an easy accusation "Gov TAKEOVER of health care" "Obama wants to FORCE you to carry health ins" they are hoping the electorate are too dumb to grasp the obvious logic and mathematical necessity of it.

In a country where every person is entitled to get threated if he gets sick or get into an accident, it's only logical and fair that every person contributes to the cost of that system.
Call it a fine or a tax or whatever you want, but it's something that is needed in every developed country. If you think it should be optional to pay for health care, you should also agree to not get threated if you decline to pay, regardless of what health issue you may get.

Since you said Ohio your vote actually matters, might want to do a little more research on things. If you make $1mn or more a year, vote for mitt romney. If you don't, vote for Obama. It is really that simple

Right. Sorry, but what kind of a fucktard does one need to be to equate offshoring jobs with getting the population health insured and addressing the worst of the industry's abuses?!?!?!

Holy shit. www.newhealthcarelaw.com

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Actually if you want the job market and the economy to recover you need to vote for Mitt Romney. If you believe the fairy tale that raising taxes to further increase the size of this government will fix anything and the government is better at creating jobs than the private sector, then Obama is your man.

Who thinks Mitt should stop hiding his tax returns from us? Anyone who actually wants to vet a man who is asking to be our President.

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I think we need to vet you and your fake nic! :1orglaugh

That's shit talk. Obama has CUT our taxes! The only ones he now wants to raise taxes on are the ones who have been getting away with financial murder for years! America can no longer afford to indulge rich deadbeats. Mitt should pay the same tax rate as the rest of us!!!! 13%?? (if that! - it could be 0%) What the actual fuck?!?!

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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-middle-class/

And by the way, like the cartoon suggests... It's the economy stupid!
I don't care how much Romney paid in taxes. If I had any money I would hide it all from Obama too! :1orglaugh

That was on income that he had already paid income taxes on you stupid fuck! :1orglaugh

Do you know what the difference is between income taxes and taxes on interest and dividends?

And he does. America has been pretty damn good to Mitt. Now the shitbag hides his money away while the rest of us pay. Kind of like how he hid during Vietnam - ducking his responsibility to his country then, too. It was the steaming jungles for the average guy - the Paris lights for privileged Mittens.

I digress. Taxes must be paid. Grown ups know that. Mitt Romney appreciates you paying his share of taxes. He's drooling to get into power so he can give HIMSELF an even bigger tax break. If he isn't paying it - you are, sucker.

"Only the little people pay taxes." -- Rancid cunt Leona Helmsley, who would have adored Mitt.

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Why wouldn't he? Who the fuck doesn't do everything they can to legally cut their taxes? Why would anyone give it to you liberals to fund Obama's welfare state and illegal immigrants?

Actually Obama has deported more illegals than Bush but those facts really dont matter do they.

One is you working for the income the other is your money working for your income. They are both income as it is paid by others.

Same thing... see

http://www.google.com/search?client=...=define+income

Well you don't pay employment tax and other benefits when you hire illegals so of course Republicans want them here.

That is the difference between a real Republican and a trailer park Fox News watching racist one like duderick.

Strange... I thought this was the Romney/Obama Election thread...
But I will agree with you on that, Bush wasn't nearly tough enough on illegal immigration!

So I spend money to make money and I am taxed at normal rates, but he is just taxed on capital gains rates because its "investments"? Which he actually wants to reduce the rate to 0%. Also the vast majority of people do not make most of their money ways that would be taxed by capital gains. The guy slaving away actually working gets taxed at a higher rate.

He did not already pay taxes on the returns his investment generated. He paid income tax on his original investment. Any gains is new income as it is coming from somewhere else.

Jesus no wonder this country is so fucked.

No, its not the same thing... Income tax is on the money that you earn, taxes on interest and dividends is on profit from your savings and investments. They are taxed at different rates. Not just for the riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiich, but everyone with a savings or a 401K account.

I'm now of the opinion we shouldn't let ANYBODY have more than one term. President, Congressman, or Senator.

Send them ALL home.

So with my new thought on that...elect Romney. And then in 4 years..vote him out.

When he has income from working, he (and you) pays the higher income tax rate on that money. When he invests it (and has already paid taxes on that money that he has earned and is now investing) the taxes (on that profit) are at a lower tax rate, just like your savings account, mutual fund and (when you withdraw the money) your 401K.

You should give up on this thread now. :error

401k is a tax deferred plan. You still pay ordinary income tax when you withdraw it.

I thought the rate of tax on your 401K is very low UNLESS you withdraw it ahead of time?

I'm not sure of that though. I had a SEP plan and it penalized me with high taxes because I had to withdraw it before retirement.

You are absolutely right, I was just coming back to correct myself on that. 401K withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income because you did not pay income tax on the money to start with, which is exactly my point! You have already paid income taxes on investment income at a higher tax rate, you just said it yourself, you should give up this thread now! :1orglaugh

You're a good little GOP drone, aintcha?

Frankly, I don't think there should BE such a distinction. When people with Mitt's kind of cash pay less on their dividend income than a working stiff does on his wages - that's fucked up.

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Dude, you are thick as shit. Mitt has you rooting for HIM, instead of yourself!

Taxes MUST be paid. SOMEONE is going to pay them. If it's not him - IT'S YOU! Why do you think the slippery bastard won't release his taxes?

I think YOUR taxes should be lower, and MITT'S should be higher. You disagree.

You're Mitt's little bitch. :1orglaugh

Maybe if you kiss his ass and give him even MORE, then good things will come your way.

You democrats are pathetic! You can't defend Obama, all you have left is to resort to personal attacks, distractions like Romney's taxes and digging up Bush and Palin to complain about. Lets talk about Obama's economy.

Mitt Romney jerks off fantasizing about rubes like you. :jerkoff All of Mitt's money comes from money. The fucking guy doesn't earn wages. Put down the crack pipe.

CPimp:
I encourage you to read the replies in this thread and use them to make an educated choice. :2 cents:

I can defend him. Compare America today to 2008 when Dubya left.

Actually, Mark Perkel puts it beautifully.

Obama has had an uphill struggle - absolutely no cooperation from the scummy GOP - cleaning up Bush's mountain of elephant shit...and now you want another elephant.

Brilliant.

How are Romney's policies any different than Bush's?

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How is it bad that you're required to have health care? It's so we can stop wasting money on crackheads and jobless assholes who we pay taxes for so they can collect welfare and live indirectly on your efforts. Health insurance is cheaper then a medical bill you'll receive for even the most minor treatments.

I don't like Obama at all, but remember this - two idiots were in office before him which account for most of the debt that has grown in Obama's regime. Top that off with the fact that Obama stands for the middle class, which is 90%+ of the members here.

Romney wants all your friends jobs to go overseas. So when you're having your unemployed friends sleep on your couch because their union was dismantled and they can't find work, you can thank Romney for that.

If I had to chose based on your post, I'd pick Obama in a heartbeat. At least I know my medical bills were paid and I would have a job.

Voting for Romney is an easy way to ruin the lives of people around you.

It always bothers me that we're stuck voting for assholes. How do we let it get to this point? Oh, because these dickheads somehow convince people to invest in their campaign. Terrible way to donate money.

People are so stupid that they think only wealthy people benefit from capital gains. Own any stocks? Own a home? All those profits are only 15% if held over a year. Yes, let's raise that to 35%, so when you sell your house or any stocks, half the profits are gone. At least we can stick it to the rich though. That's what matters.

i wish!

and i got so many hits off the corndog picture when it came out!! funny to see that again!!

Dubya... Isn't that one of your old nicknames?

Your facts are fucked again...
Obama had a filibuster proof majority in the House and Senate for his first 2 years. He owned the government, got through everything that he wanted. even against the will of the people (Obamacare). He is responsible for this economy.

Why cry about his taxes or business ethics? If it is in his benifit to have jobs in America, then that's what he will do....

Great point!

And don't forget about all the retirees (you know, Grandma and Grandpa) whose income depends on their retirement plans (401k and others)

It's amazing just reading the replies in these political threads. It's almost like you can instantly see who in here has their own business and makes money...and who in here is a worker bee who has no idea how the world works.