Holy crap, you gotta be fucking shitting me! No wonder tubes rank well...
 

No wonder people are bitching about Google showing tubes for most keywords and their own "quality" sites tanking every day...

I posted a thread the other day in the sell and buy forum, looking to buy hardlinks. Boy was I shocked at the sites I got sent to look at... For fuck's sake people, how do you think Google is supposed to like/rank a site with 120+ outgoing links in the footer? That's a fucking linkfarm... Add to that the fact that the sites it "trades links" with do just about the same thing and welcome to clusterfuck land.

It's not Google's fault that tubes rank well. It's adult webmasters' fault, 'cause they know fuck all about SEO and usability.

Oh and BTW, $20/mo for a footer link on a PR1 site with 200+ outgoing backlinks, now THAT is a good deal! :1orglaugh

On a related note, if anyone has some GOOD links for sale, get in touch please.

Your analysis is spot-on, soup-to-nuts. The amount of time spent on tubes, the fact that they're usually visited after the site you want to rank (where did the surfer go next?), and a number of other factors don't help either.

BF, I didn't read your low-carb thread, but saw that you made one. Did you get the answers you were looking for?

Probably the least known ranking metric. ;)

That'd be true if every site built by awm's was a pile of shit, but there are plenty (thousands and thousands and thousands) that aren't, that just don't get the same amount of organic links and never will because they don't give away the farm.

I been saying time and time again that the best thing to get traffic these days is to build tube sites under the domain you wan traffic for you make money by using the affiliated content plus you can send traffic to your main site by pop under. page close and redirecting
I'm good building those tube sites hundreds of sponsors let me know if any one interested.

Doesn't mean webmasters are prohibited from building links themselves, does it? ;)

Keyword research and learning how to do it right will get you farther with getting traffic than anything else.

This one tube took me 5 minutes to set up and $1 and I haven't touched it since. Not too bad. :upsidedow

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MUqafxaNxA...00/gptscrn.jpg

these people are professional link sellers

they make sites by the boatloads for the sole reason of selling links on them, they dont care about google or actual visitors

Yeah, but that business is kinda dying out..

then the 3rd world monkey will jump on to something else

:thumbsup

just icq'd you btw DamageX

That's why people with quality sites don't do linktrades (or only very few with other quality sites)

Good post. 93% of the link sellers in buy and sell are selling useless links. Even if they are high PR. Their sites are heavily interlinked, on the same IP addresses and filled with a boatload of outbound links. Some are selling links from sites on IP addresses in different C classes, but then they put Google Analytics code on all their sites.

Not entirely. Some of us build sites for the purpose of surfer retention and make sales on them as our priority. Link sales are not even a secondary revenue stream, but rather a tertiary one. Believe it or not, some of us still focus on quality presentation and original content produced by qualified staff members. And this approach results in never once being negatively affected by ANY SE update over the last 10+ years. Your site is only as good as the ones you associate with ;)

I'll have to message you later and see if we might be able to work something out.

It's called Fiverr :upsidedow

SEO is all fucked up and you have to weed out the bullshitters or just learn it yourself.

Also, linking based on relevancy to your site is better than linking based on PR these days. Even G says PR isn't calculated anymore in their algo.. :upsidedow

The next time someone mentions a Class C to you in the context of SEO, especially if they are trying to also sell you a server package, just smile politely and walk away. Those "in the know" can tell you why, but it'll just cause a shit-storm to talk about it here.

That's not to say it won't matter in the future, but right now? Well, do your research, don't listen to the "group think" that abounds.

Any contact info?

Don't be a pussy, say what you mean

there's no money in porn...or brains.

Got an auth request, but no message. Shoot me a message, please, I think I already misplaced your nick in my contacts and can't find it... :Oh crap

ICQ 1566665.

Here's what he means: Class-C IPs matter ONLY if they're hosted on different networks/hosts. Nameservers matter. So does IP WHOIS. Basically if you have all your sites with one host, doing a whois on the IPs will give you away. Furthermore, if you have all sites on the same server, regardless of what IP each site uses (different class A, B or C, doesn't matter) you'll also give yourself away when someone looks at the mail server record set up for the server.

Just ask baddog. Oh, wait, scratch that, he doesn't even know this. :1orglaugh

exactly, but you still have 900 ppl per day saying stupid shit like "but my skinny white teen site is a pr 3, i don't know why you don't want your old black pregger porn site linked to it. ITS PR3 BRO!!!!!"

i know why, but i'll tell that right after a word from my sponsor...

don't you have your own forum to jerkoff on :1orglaugh

:thumbsup

Funny thing is, I could have written that myself, and it would have come out the same way. Get the fuck out of my head. :1orglaugh

I'll take it one step further, though: I have yet to see concrete evidence that Google does anything beyond simply logging the IPs and Class C's, at least for SERP purposes. Having worked there, I have a lot of people I'm still in touch with. Unfortunately, it's all cloak and dagger as fuck, but when I was considering SEO hosting, they were like "uh, no." :thumbsup

:Oh crap :Oh crap

sir would u like to buy some hardlinks sir many hardlinks

That being said, even if they don't regularly log more than IPs and C classes, it doesn't mean they won't look at them, when they suspect foul play. Case in point, lots of blog networks got penalized and de-indexed earlier this year, along with many of the sites linked to from them. Turns out pretty much all of them were hosting all their sites on one server.

Granted most people's private blog networks won't draw nearly enough attention to themselves as the commercial ones (made solely for selling links and blogposts), you still run an unnecessary risk of getting nailed, if you host everything on the same server.

That's the ICQ approve request, too ... :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

That's a bi winning sales pitch!

wow so some people on gfy selling links in buy sell forum represents all adult webmaster on the internet.

I would like to learn more about your thoughts on this - we can survive the shit-storm

Pleasure chatting with you... ;)

I elaborated in a later post. :thumbsup

Add the most agressive inbound link buying / trading campaigns,

pretty much every of those linkfarms point to the biggest tubes, a notable portion of all the incoming linkspun requests are for major tubes who have an army of people who do nothing else day and night than care about getting more and backlinks for them, homepage and deeplinking alike.

Btw. I will get in touch perhaps we may work something out.

Links/PR is just a tiny part of the ranking algorithm. Think bounce rates and retention times. Tubes are killing it on SEO because these factors have become a bigger part of their rankings.
WG

Thats what happens when all the hard workers sell out or leave, google is liking my work just fine and I do hardly any l/e

exactly time spent on tube site average 36 minutes, most
of your porn sites they spend 2 minutes and tube sites get a lot mote traffic too. that's why.

some webmasters are using those bulk backlinks to increase their inlinks without weighing their site down with recips. The increased inlinks will also increase the domain authority. Some people are even getting sub domains backlinked to raise the overall inlink number to the domain, thus, improving it's overall authority.

There are several pieces to the SEO puzzle and several different ways to use backlinks to rank better.

Right now, I would use bulk backlinks for secondary sites (domains that link to your main domain) as well as sub domains of your main domain and check the results over the next 60 - 90 days.

Be sure to link your sub domains to your index page using one of the keywords you used to backlink that sub domain.

~Ray

Not gonna argue with you here. Though many of those tubes did start dominating the SERPs by buying links. I know, I sold them links myself. :1orglaugh

What is your email address? Or email me at jimmycooper [@] starletsheet [.] com

The next time someone mentions a Class C to you in the context of SEO, especially if they are trying to also sell you a server package, just smile politely and walk away. Those "in the know" can tell you why, but it'll just cause a shit-storm to talk about it here.

That's not to say it won't matter in the future, but right now? Well, do your research, don't listen to the "group think" that abounds.

Oh and gotta love it when sellers send a shitton of URLs from a GMail address. Talk about letting Google know you're selling links... :1orglaugh

damagex @ ************

jimmy -- was your quoting of my quote then quoting my quote for Xzibit, or something else?

If you happen to have a bunch of Thumblogger blogs, the shared box, especially with some custom js for niche variations, can be a very helpful tool for a massive amount of quality backlinks that takes a second to change instead of hours like normal..

Same thing with header.php or footer.php for wpmu setups. :upsidedow