I did your homework for you fris.
Hey Fris
You seemed a bit unsure/vague/dodged the question about the licencing issue with your wordpress developers pack. So i've done you and the people who have bought this from you a favour and done your homework for you. Here's a selection of the replys ive recieved so far. Quote:
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i thought something was fishy with that sale
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When will I learn?
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The things that make you go hummmmmm.
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so do we get a refund ?
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I thought this went without saying...
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You don't see the connection. But this is no different to content theft that we all cry about on a daily basis. It's just not YOUR industry. Ill fight for anyone whose trying to earn an honest living. And I will equaly challenge those that choose to earn their money off the backs of other peoples hard work. |
what fris did was WRONG period. he should refund all sales
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I doubt he replies
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To be totally honest I bought one. When I saw it I thought, good deal. I didn't even think about the licensing which was stupid on my part. As soon as I saw the contents I asked myself if he really purchased all the stuff or what. Honestly, I should have known better about the licensing. For some reason, since I always thought of him as a plugin/theme developer, I didn't even think about it, idk.
Could be a misunderstanding on my part so again, I am not implying anything towards Fris and I apologize if this is taken the wrong way. He helps everyone on here out and knows how we stand on stuff like that so I don't think that's the case. Just relaying my initial response at the time. He also offered buyers an invoice via email later on so I don't think he would have done that if he thought anything was wrong on his part. |
He has definitely purchased them. And they do offer developer's licenses. Whoever thought that up is the retard, if you ask me.
These companies (especially the Theme Frameworks) sell developer licenses that specifically state that I can set my clients up with the theme framework. They don't get support from the other company, but from me. It's a bit of a grey area, considering also that these themes are typically required to carry the same GPL license that Wordpress carries. WP and the guy who puts out the Thesis theme had a big, knock down drag out a few years back. As he said, they can't do anything about it, but cancel his membership, because he's technically not breaking their "developers" license. |
so if i install this on a website and the developer finds out it going to be my fault ?
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Its a hard one - I know that wpmudev.org for example does this - They release the plug ins and themes as GPL and sell support etc.
They also get real pissy if you distribute their stuff - However as it is GPL they cant do a thing. They are using GPL because it benefits them, but don't like the flip side. |
I linked all the providors to the thread in question so they could see themselves and there would be no doubt or error. And heres another reply
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Its already been to court as I recall that you can't claim any copy rights on themes built for wordpress... being that the themes constitute such a tiny fraction of the whole.
However, it did strike me as being very poor judgement to be selling the work of others. |
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Dammit. I just wanted to help the puppies. :(
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fris paid for the right to do this. He might be a bit more liberal with who he calls a client (ie. anyone who give him $50), but that doesn't mean he can't do what he did. This has been hashed out back and forth for years now in the WP circles. The developer's license with the added cost was one of the ORIGINAL RESPONSES to this sort of thing going down. |
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Also, its important to note that the bulk of people building themes, plugins etc for Wordpress aren't aware of what rights they do and don't have and make very wrong assumptions. Everyone is going to get pissy when they find their footer links are stripped out of their free themes, but it doesn't mean the person using the theme doesn't have the legal right to do it.
So just asking a bunch of people how they feel about it, doesn't make them right either. |
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sounds super fucked up, but i'd really like to hear what fris has to say about this
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I think it's a matter of how he structured the deal.
If he has a developer license for theme X or plugin Y, he can then legally set up theme X or plugin Y for his clients and charge them whatever he wants for that. (Assuming the license for theme X and plugin Y is like most of the developer licenses I've seen so far). So he could offer for example 100 wordpress installs for $50 and give his clients a wide variety of theme and plugin choices. However, I have no idea how he structured his offer that sparked this controversy so I won't comment on that specific situation. |
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Well i had no idea either... And nobody would give me an answer.
SO i asked the companies involved to take a look at the thread/deal themselves. It's a fair request... THose are not my words that have been posted. They are the words from the companies whose products are in this package. I have not altered anything. I have not put words in thier mouths... i simply linked them to the thread and said I was concidering purchasing this, and did the OP have permisssion/rights to sell. Those are the answers I recieved. It could be Fris is spot on.. and every company ive contacted is giving me mis-information. I am simply repeating what they are saying to me... As you can imagine my ICQ has been red hot since i posted this. |
If someone is able to sell something that is given away for free I don't see what the problem is lol. But I'm not really sure what the hell this is all about anyhow.
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silence from fris is VERY telling
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Theirs nothing saying I cant do that, if you dont wanna release a plugin or theme under GPL, then dont. But I do have to thank Anna, being the rat she is, emailing every provider on the list of options I had. Ive always been a supporter of her work, dont know why someone would go out of the way to contact every person, when if she looked up each solution and each product is GPL, which states, I can do whatever I want with the final product. (even reselling). If you dont wanna be a wordpress product under the GPL, then dont do it. How would anna like If i emaiiled all her clients from her portfolio? Im sure she wouldnt like it. But if she wants to go out of her way to be a shit distruber, then whats fine, its up to her. Maybe beflre you do, you might wanna read up on the GPL and what it allows. :thumbsup I can be reached via email if anyone has any questions as im not at home and wont be visiting this until monday, so replies are all welcome. even anna who I have no illwill towards even though she did contact everyone out of spite. I was going to post a url to the GPL, but im sure you know it since you already read it before contacting them right? :2 cents: |
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If Wordpress themes fall under GPL, does that mean Fris is off the hook or on a different hook?
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Ill hook yuo all up and you can discuss it yourself. |
You know my ICQ has been red hot since this thread started...MOst unrelated to this.
I think you have a lot of shit to clean up. |
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Again, the WP community addressed this TWO YEARS AGO now. If you released something with a GPL license, anyone who you give or sell your software too has the right to distribute it in any way they choose. |
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