The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs, court rules
 

Just to annoy DVTimes, I'm posting this first :winkwink:

The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs, court rules
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17894176

File-sharing site The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK internet service providers, the High Court has ruled.

The Swedish website hosts links to download mostly-pirated free music and video.

Sky, Everything Everywhere, TalkTalk, O2 and Virgin Media must all prevent their users from accessing the site.

"Sites like The Pirate Bay destroy jobs in the UK and undermine investment in new British artists," the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) said.

The BPI's chief executive Geoff Taylor said: "The High Court has confirmed that The Pirate Bay infringes copyright on a massive scale.

"Its operators line their pockets by commercially exploiting music and other creative works without paying a penny to the people who created them.

"This is wrong - musicians, sound engineers and video editors deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else."
'Compelling alternatives'

In November 2011, the BPI asked the group of ISPs to voluntarily block access to the site.

The request followed a court order to block Newzbin 2, a site also offering links to download pirated material.

The ISPs said they would not block the site unless a court order was made, as is now the case.

Virgin Media told the BBC they will now comply with the request, but warned such measures are, in the long term, only part of the solution.

"As a responsible ISP, Virgin Media complies with court orders addressed to the company but strongly believes that changing consumer behaviour to tackle copyright infringement also needs compelling legal alternatives, such as our agreement with Spotify, to give consumers access to great content at the right price."

The Pirate Bay was launched in 2003 by a group of friends from Sweden and rapidly became one of the most famous file-sharing sites on the web.

It allows users to search for and access copyrighted content including movies, games and TV shows.
No 'extra pennies'

In April 2009, the Swedish courts found the four founders of the site guilty of helping people circumvent copyright controls.

The ruling was upheld after an appeal in 2010, but the site continues to function.

The Pirate Party UK, a spin-off from the political movement started in Sweden that backs copyright reform, said this latest move will "not put any extra pennies into the pockets of artists".

"Unfortunately, the move to order blocking on The Pirate Bay comes as no surprise," party leader Loz Kaye told the BBC.

"The truth is that we are on a slippery slope towards internet censorship here in the United Kingdom."

Stopping criminals is now "Censorship". :1orglaugh

Does that include stopping people stealing from him?

What needs to happen now is to use this ruling to stop others. however until they stop advertisers and processors monetising these sites for the owners it's an up hill battle.

One small step forward is better than one backwards.

What a waste of time....

It will be mirrored within minutes.

im sure they will get around it like last time

Well newzbin2 was blocked a year ago, yet still every other usenet indexing site is up.

If they'd blocked pirate bay years ago when torrents were popular it may have had some impact. This is like banning the sale of pirated betamax. Who cares?

Great precedent...sort of...

Why is it so hard to stop these 2 fucking goofballs.

http://i.imgur.com/ISuTP.jpg

you really think torrents did exist before and will not exist after this 2 as you sad fckng goofballs...

coz of idiots like u

"Sky, Everything Everywhere, TalkTalk, O2 and Virgin Media must all prevent their users from accessing the site."

But not BT? Aren't they the largest ISP in the UK?

things are beginning to happen more and more against pirates...just this year there was megaupload busted, SOPA, PIPA, ACTA ect ect

things are beginning to gain momentum...

Even if all torrent/file lockers sites will be blocked,we gonna be still screwed due to tube sites.

Apart from the fact that megaupload guy is going to walk, and SOPA and PIPA got thrown out, you are dead right.

in google it shows http://thepiratebay.se/

They going to block YouTube next?? Never! Money.

USELESS...

Period.

it's not implemented yet you massive bumder cocktard.

They are pretty badass to have their website banned from an entire country.

Extra pennies.

What a bunch of arrogant non-talented, non-creative, leaches on society.

Just going to show how clueless they are. Do they really not realize how easy it is to get around these "blocks"?

Wall O Text hits me for 5,000HP. I Die. At least DVTimes just posts his useless links and doesn't type shit... Much easier to ignore.

Dunno, I didn't read it myself

Stopping the actual Piracy Sites is going to be tough. There are so may ways around it. Can it be done? Yes but it will take a lot of time, effort and expense.

The easiest way to bring them down is to stop the money flow. Once they figure that one out, the Pirates will be hit by huge costs and little revenue.

If only they'd listen to you Paul, you could solve it all.

He did not get to "walk" the trial has not even begun yet...as for SOPA and PIPA being thrown out so did the patriot act and almost any other act and then got passed...you can go ahead and pretend that pirate rights are untouchable and that the multi billion $$$ losses will be tolerated for ever and that nobody will be able to pass a law ever...but in reality all it takes is for payment processing to get regulated for pirate sites and they are fucked...

Do you want to take a bet on whether he will walk or not?

100 bucks?

You don't seem to understand. SOPA/PIPA is dead. It will never be put through.

They have no rights, they are stealing content. But they are unstoppable.

You seem to misunderstand the majority of piracy is done for shitz and gglz, not profit.

Another bet? 100 bucks says if they stopped processing payments for pirate sites, it won't make a jot of difference to files being shared. Fuck man, piracy has been going since the printing press, and only VERY recently have a few people made money from it. The grass roots guys doing the initial cracking/piracy are still doing it for no money. Check out Usenet. All the groups there make nothing. IRC? Nothing. etc etc etc.

I'm really sorry you think piracy is to blame for your bad sales. It isn't.

btw bittorrent owner is a billionaire... he is the real winner in this all

crazy!...

No, it's backup and timeshifting.

I wonder if the Pirate Bay is even profitable. They never made much and now after all the legal fights etc...

yes no problem...the US gov is after his ass + you must live in an alternate reality if you think they don't have tons and tons of evidence collected before hand...how hard do you think it was to collect this evidence? :1orglaugh


same happened with the patriot act...and many other acts before...



I used to pirate from 1987-99. Had six shops, 18 workers, it was legal. Here it is in one sentence from a pro: quality piracy is done for money, shit useless blurry shit is done for shits and giggles. Want quality and fresh stuff for shits and giggles? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh funny...



Well I was a member of RAZOR1911 , DOD, SKiDROW ect ect I used to pay 2-3K$/week for fresh, quality cracked games and apps. Cheap shit is to be had everywhere. But the quality and freshness came at a price. End of story.

You know what stopped me in my 3rd world shit hole? 1 law. That's right, just one single law made me quit my very lucrative business. Piracy in my 3rd world shit hole was reduced to a few guys with shit content. It fell apart. It is no more.

Oh and they will never stop SPAM either. Even though I do not get a single spam to my e-mail I am sure it will never be stopped completely but its crippled. All I did was open a gmail account. But spam will never be stopped :1orglaugh

You are right lazy shit emo kids will spend their time re-mirroring and re-linking and re-uploading stuff and risk jail in a business that they can not monetize...sounds about right...spam and piracy no stopping them :1orglaugh

Damian and I agree on one thing. :1orglaugh

Stopping piracy will make little difference to 90% of the porn industry. Because the same or very similar scenes are free and legal everywhere.

What it will do is bring taxes into the countries that produced the content, plus sales and employment. Which is why they will continue to work at rubbing it out.

The real fear is the laws required to crack the walnut.

crucifissio yes as you say the kids fucking around on Usenet for kicks, aren't going to be left alone either.

Again Damian speaks up for the "Leave Pirates alone" lobby. ???????????

dan bull just got him self on the charts using the pirate bay as the promotional vehicle

This action is a crippling attack against this artist

Remember we didn't outlaw the vcr just because some people used it to make bootleg copies of movies

they went after the people who used the technology to infringe.

Cool. You've obviously missed all the news about why he is going to walk. Easy $100 for me.

Not really. I don't remember any act having such huge public protest against it.

How much money do the people uploading 10TB a day to usenet make? How much money do people running IRC warez channels make?

Oh yeah, none.

True, I hate those blurry out of focus cracked games. LOL.

Lol. Yes, there is no piracy in whatever country you live in. Sure.


Who said spam would be stopped?

You clearly have no idea about the mindset of a pirate/warez kiddy. It's done for the lolz. It's a challenge. Piracy was only monetized very recently.

Anyway, point is that piracy won't be stopped. More important point is piracy is not to blame for shit sales. It's the easy and lazy way out. We've trained consumers not to trust us with prechecked hidden cross sales and card banging. With shit sites. With misleading free trials. With recycled content. With circle jerks. With diallers. We make cookie cutter product that is boring. We have fucked ourselves.

No, I speak up for the "blocking UK access to the pirate bay will have no effect on piracy" lobby.

Do at least try and keep up.

Never over-estimate surfers. I had to explain to someone the other day, who surfs regularly, how to right-click on an image to save it. This is a savvy business owner, early 30s, gizmo proficient.

This time. You can add this lobby to the others you fight against.

"SOPA will have no effect on piracy"

"Laws will have no effect on piracy"

"prosecuting pirates will have no effect on piracy"

"prosecuting downloaders will have no effect on piracy"

"Anything you can think of will have no effect on piracy"

And any I missed.

Do you have anything positive to add to the anti piracy debate?

All that is true. And has been proven. Prosecuting downloaders increased piracy. the three strike law increased piracy. This is proven. There is no debate. They did it, it increased piracy. Fact.

What I've said that is positive is to stop wasting time and money fighting a fight you cannot win and spend that time and money trying to make a better product that is more compelling to buy. Start multi variant testing, start spending money on better marketing, better content, better UX, improve your sales funnel etc.

All of that would have more of a result on your bottom line that trying to push water uphill.

It's particularly silly to start worrying about torrents in 2012. They savvy pirates all stopped torrents YEARS ago. It's like banning betamax piracy. Who cares?

Nice to see your ignore list working so well Paulie!

@damianJ

We will see after kim.coms trial who will win the 100$. The trial is very very on. The US gov has a fat case against him and all his lawyers have is semi-flase paperwork for the NZ police. A thin straw to grasp at....

What you fail to understand about file sharers is that they are just what their name says: File sharers.
They do not go about getting the new DVD rip of "mission impossible 5" before anybody else and they do not get to make a lot of bank with such a product. Professionals go about acquiring such material.

So to address your argument of "how much people running IRC channels make?" the answer is: its irrelevant, what is relevant is: where they get it from, AND how they process payment ...nothing else matters...I know because it happened to warez 10 years ago...the scene went to shit...the big groups got hit, the "sharers" had nothing more to share....end of story...warez piracy profits were not stopped completely but they were reduced to a JOKE...

As for anti SOPA/PIPA protests I did not see anything special...a few pirate websites like google and you tube crying like little bitches about being too good to enforce the law and lots of worthless EMO hippies complaining about their free porn rights...the patriot act had lots of opposition and got shot down 2 times i think...but they passed it anyway.....

there was never really any effective law put in place to punish them :2 cents:

Yes yes, whatever. We've made the bet, no need to go on about it. Dull.


No idea what point you are failing to make here? File sharers are file sharers. OK. And professionals rip blu rays. Yes, because that is impossible to do unless you are paid?


you don't seem to understand IRC or Usenet very well. There is no payment. The stuff is just there. you can get it. no one is getting paid.

So piracy is stopped?

Of course not.

Again, not sure what point you are making.

It was the largest protest the internet has seen. Ever. Maybe you were sick that day?

Look, the point is that torrents are really really old school. Anyone savvy has moved on to something else. So blocking UK access to one torrent tracking site will achieve nothing. Do you have a counterpoint to make to that argument or do you want to just waffle saying nothing?

So you don't think 3 strikes is effective. Cool. We agree on something!

He's innocent and will be cleared of all crimes. Damian said so. :upsidedow

By all rights he should be pleased Governments are now fighting. We all know how slow they work, but they will get there. Obviously in the US it needs a law to stop the funding to have a world wide effect.

The US Government stepping up the fight against piracy costs the industry and him nothing. In fact any Government fighting piracy costs the industry and him nothing. It doesn't stop him working, doesn't impede his work. It is only aimed at impeding pirates and for those it will eventually cost money. So only pirates will be against it.

Google might have to rethink Youtube. Life existed before Youtube still he will be able to upload movies of himself working for peanuts.



He will still keep banging his anti stopping piracy drum.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/290...eydrummert.gif

Where did I saw he was innocent Paul?

He's obviously not, but, the feds fucked up and he will walk.

It's an anti wasting time and money trying to stop something you can't stop drum. Big difference.



I'm pointing out that blocking access to one torrent site, in 2012 when torrents stopped being popular about 5 years ago is worthless. Why do you disagree with this?

thought thailand was an epiphany?

Even if a daisy-chained VCR enabled the copying of media. It didn't come preloaded with every imaginable bootlegged copy of other media from other purchasers of VCR's.

Its a different scale with home computers and file-sharing.

The VCR was a very expensive way to duplicate videos. First it required another or 100s of VCR machines with leads and a junction box to feed to each machine, unless copying to 1-2 machines the loss of quality was huge setting up a "daisy chain". Then it required blank tapes and even buying them meant $1 cost unless buying in huge numbers.

Then a master tape, because copying off a VHS video was losing a lot of info. Forget the actual numbers ans someone can go look for me, until then these will suffice. Raw Beta Cam tape contained 650 lines, pro S-VHS 450, domestic VHS 250. Every time a tape copied to a another machine there was a loss of quality. Imagine HD from the camera, to on screen from the members area and then pirated on a Tube.

Then selling the tape costs money and was done for profit. Legal tape $30, pirated tape $5. So staff were required to sell the tapes, transport unless done from the location copying, maybe buying from a piracy duplicating unit and then selling in a market. Time, money and wages.

Then the risk of getting caught. This can't be done from an ISP that can be hidden. It's all physical and places people have to be able to visit. Including the police and authorities. Above all their was a chain to follow, catch the seller and he turns in the duplicator or takes the wrap all on his own. Loss of stock, machines and a fine.

Comparing VCR piracy with online piracy is like comparing a pebble with a mountain.

I know this because I was there and not some kid who has no knowledge. Like GG.

GG they went after everyone they could see and in the days of VCR piracy, you had to be seen to sell or distribute the tapes. You're showing a huge amount of stupidity and logic here. Drop this line, it makes you look even more stupid.

I have to be honest and am confused why Damian, who isn't involved in piracy in any way, is so anti any measures fighting piracy.

Why is he worried about Governments spending money to stop piracy? Costs to him are so low it's not even going to put a GB Pound on his tax bill and $0 is the US does it.

And what's the point of creating a great product if you don't fight pirates who will steal it and give it away for free? That should be the time to step up the fight. Nubiles new sight, Met Art, X-Art, Orgasm.xxx, Babes.com. These sites absolutely have to fight the pirates of their products, otherwise a lot of the benefit of creating a better product and taking on the extra cost. Is wasted and we know how Damian hates waste.

So the Feds have dropped all charges against Kim Dotcom? I suspect they have dealt a huge blow against his operation and cost him a lot of money.

Again he's worried about the US Feds wasting time. He's a UK citizen so why does this concern him?

Torrents are less popular today or dead and buried?

Piracy effects many industries and peoples jobs. Porn's biggest problem is the proliferation of free legal content. The people lobbying for a fight against piracy are rarely from the porn industry. They're from the movie, music, programming and games industry. Is he saying that they don't spend enough on their products and;

"trained consumers not to trust them with prechecked hidden cross sales and card banging. With shit products. With misleading free trailers and samples. With recycled content. They make cookie cutter product that is boring. They have fucked themselves."

The fight against piracy has little to do with porn sales and the porn industry. It's a much bigger thing than that.

Obviously if the fight against piracy ever did have a positive effect on the industry. Damian might get to share in some of the extra money spent on porn. Even if it had no effect there's a chance that by cutting back on piracy it will bring more jobs, investment and tax revenues to the countries creating the products. It definitely won't lead to less jobs. Except for those in the piracy industry, which we know isn't Damian. Because he has said so.

Paul, love, that ignore list is really broken!

And if you're going to try and troll me, you need to not go back on what you said just yesterday.

lol. bless.

Not broken, just open your posts to show the world the real you. From your real posts.