Ron Paul: Don't Help The Tornado Victims
 

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ron paul 2012.

Ron Paul: Still not going to be President.

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this is what freedom looks like.

If he would lose everything he got he wouldn't accept help if offered?

What he said was that Federal money should not be used, that they should have insurance, like the rest of us. If your house burns down, does federal aid step in? And should it?


""There is no such thing as federal money," Paul said. "Federal money is just what they steal from the states and steal from you and me." While there is a role for the National Guard in these sorts of disasters, according to Paul, the Federal Emergency Management Agency usually does little but frustrate people. "To say that any accident that happens in the country, send in FEMA, send in the money, the government has all this money—it is totally out of control, and it's not efficient," Paul said."

AS for your "this is what freedom looks like" comment... They were free to build in that area, or not, and they were free to get insurance or not. However we are NOT free to decide if we have to pay taxes or not to give to them. That is FORCED on us. Remember, we aren't talking about charity here, we are talking about money taken by force and then given to others.


The real test of principles is when they will stand up even in a situation where people like you will obviously jump on the emotional aspects in order to twist things around.


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where is FEMA???

this just shows us what a libertarian utopia looks like and how we would interact with each other.

ron paul 2012.

you are just trying to obfuscate the very simple point that those tornado victims should be liberated from any help under ron paul's future libertarian utopia.

they would be taught the virtues of selfishness.

noticed you are in Florida, might I refresh your memory of Hurricane Andrew?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Andrew

Florida gets help every hurricane, as other places that suffer this type of destruction.

in ron paul's libertarian utopia they would be liberated from any help from fema. we can only pray for such liberation in the future.

i am actually against piss poor illiterate analogies more.

If those houses had a mortgage then having insurance is mandatory. If those houses were 100% owned then the owners were foolish for not protecting a debt free asset. Either way to bad loosing all your personal property.

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might I ask where is safe place to live on Earth free from natural disaster?

in the hollow earth where johnny thinks the aliens who control the earth live.

you think aliens live the the hollow earth. you are the last person who could educate me.

how does one 'lack' philosophy?

is it the same way they lack geography?

youre talking to someone who knows people who had insurance and lost their entire home and everything they own in hurricane katrina in area as vast as new orleans to mississippi, I know family who lost homes in multiple states. How you live safe from that? . insurance will not save you. know anyone who actually lost a home? I know dozens. My family lost a bunch of them, I can assure you, its much more difficult than you make it.

"get insurance and youre fine" hardly, read stories of those who lost it all then come tell me insurance will save you...

he uses that word whenever he wants to sound intelligent and prove a point. has no idea what it actually means.

how can one lack philosophy?

i must be lacking in philosophy.

Natural disasters and politicians go together like peanut butter and jelly! They need each other.

i am thinking right now, but i lack philosophy. this all does not compute.

ok i just thought of a tornado now. what just happened if i am not thinking? please explain.

not that I owe you an explanation, but at the time I was living in california, and actually let people evacuate to my home and stay with me. I had evacuees living with me and helped them get their aid and try find place to live. Ive done more to assist natural disaster victims than youll ever know, i dont post about it. in fact, part of the reason I moved from cali back to home town new orleans was to help my family members who lost homes and my grandmother died right after the hurricane 3 weeks without power so ive spent the past 5 years helping people get their lives back together, and have seen my family struggle and even some lose it all during this. Everything from losing jobs to homes, I wont even go into oil spill that hit this area. I signed up and worked 14 hours a day for 6 months to help that disaster.

run along.

I don't see why this would be a federal issue. He is right.

If a tornado / hurricane / earthquake rips your house apart, that is a state issue. And if you own a house, you better have insurance on it. This is not rocket science. It's common sense 101.

:thumbsup nothing wrong with being a caring human.

While I sympathize with anyone who loses their home and belongings, this is just a fact of life we all have to deal with. Each and every one of us are always at risk of losing something, including our lives. That's just how it works. As unfair as it may seem, and as difficult as it may be to build again with or without insurance, life happens. There is nothing we can do about that, and we never know when it's going to happen.

A falling meteor could smash through my roof at any second. I could fall over from a heart attack and die. I could have a stroke. An earthquake could level my entire city. I could slip in the bathroom, break my neck, and spend the rest of my life in a wheelchair. You can't escape risk and the possible loss that comes with it.

I spent the weekend helping out some of the people who were hit locally by the storms. I hope if it happens to me there will be others around to help me out

Pretty sure you just made a butterfly start flapping its wings.

This is wonderful and your actions speak very highly of you. No where does Ron Paul say that people shouldn't do that and help each other. He says that the people shouldn't use force to take some peoples money and give it to others to "help" them. People voluntarily helping each other is wonderful. People taking stuff from others by force and then redistributing it is not. Huge difference, and the wording of the headline and the article is deliberately misleading and emotionally loaded.... as are the comments of the OP, come to think of it.


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go FEMA !



I hope the food is good when we get there. I'm glad the government is looking out for our safety and preparing for the worst ! I feel safe.



I need the government in my pants,wallet, milk and lemonade because I'm retarded. The more the better !

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Why this comment?

By the same notion, what should we do with everyone living in past disaster areas? What about the population of New Orleans? Coastal areas? Fault lines? What about foreign aid? Israel?

To the low IQ Glenn Becks of the world that have become cheerleaders for insurance companies and spout off about letting the free market reign, just look at what insurance companies put people through after disasters.


State Farm Katrina Claims Denied Lawsuits
http://www.yourlawyer.com/topics/ove...katrina_claims


State Farm accused of Katrina racketeering
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19337558.../#.T1T_lEeEOlA


$100 Million State Farm Settlement Over Northridge Earthquake
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...uake-insurance

the will be free to be crushed to death in an earthquake of course.

ron paul 2012.

I think that people living in New Orleans should have looked at their totally corrupt local governments when it came to preparation and help .... also, living in a bowl that is lower than sea level is kind of silly. If I decide to build my house on a volcano, then I'm allowed to use force to take your money when my house is covered in lava?

As for coastal areas, I think that it's wrong that we give federal grants for coastal insurance for people that build on unstable beaches that get flooded regularly.

Foreign aid should be voluntary, not compulsory through our taxes. Frankly there is a lot of evidence that foreign aid actually does much more harm than good anyway.

Israel, and every other country, should not have aid from our government, again, if people wish to give and help, they are free to do that, or NOT give, whatever they wish.

Paul had a young campaign manager of his die of cancer because he had no health insurance, certainly practices what he preaches, that one.

Look at the maps of the US that show the most hit areas for Tornado . Then dont build there.

if you do build there DONT build of all wood.


Get Insurance like the rest of the country and when the house gets removed from the map try and get them to pay the claim.


As for the people that brought up Florida getting his by a hurricane. It is actually a very rare thing. But Tornados in tornado alley hit every year

thanks to global climate change areas that historically never had tornadoes are now experiencing them. i live in one of those areas.

since your solution to natural disasters is to not build in such areas, what would be your solution to areas now affected? move towns and cities?

also can you point out any area where there are no potential natural disasters. that would help with picking to place to move to thanks.

also since fracking is causing earthquakes to hit areas where there have been no earthquakes historically such as the midwest where should those cities move as well thanks.

you missed the point, there is no safe area to live, especially in the US. The continent was formed via natural destruction to continental areas of earth LOL

From California earthquakes to Alabama hurricanes, the entire continent is a danger zone prone to natural disaster any time of the year in all seasons LOL

you = think aliens that live in the hollow earth control the planet.

your opinion = irrelevant.

Tornado Alley

What should we do with this massive area, after we get everyone out of there?

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sorry i think the hollow earth aliens were zapping my mind there for a sec.

You pay taxes so you can live in a civilized society. You don't like it? Move to Somalia or Sudan or some other failed state that's a functioning example of a libertarian society.

Depending on the magnitude of the disaster, not all states have the resources to deal with it, Katrina being a perfect example of that. Plus, natural disasters don't always occur in areas that are prone to them. You know the biggest fault line in the U.S. is along the Mississippi River? THE HIGHEST EARTHQUAKE RISK in the UNITED STATES outside the West Coast is along the New Madrid Fault which stretches through Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee and Kentucky, Illinois and Mississippi. The last major earthquake along it was in 1811, so none of the building in St. Louis, Kansas City, Memphis and all the other major cities in the zone are prepared for a major earthquake, which could happen. What about last year when North Carolina, along with a lot of other states that don't usually get them, got wrecked by tornadoes? Shit, there were tornadoes as far up as New Jersey. Sometimes extenuating circumstances require the federal government to intervene.

one day you "might" realize that not everyone is as selfish, small minded and clinically paranoid as you.

Maybe people should not be allowed to build homes on hills too, just in case they slide off. Everywhere. :1orglaugh

which branch? please help.

Again the point is being twisted. Actually, people should be allowed to build homes where ever they want to. They just shouldn't be allowed to take money from their neighbors by force if something happens to that house, or their car, their furniture, or other stuff. How can you guys not see the difference here?



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so wait you guys are all for the government helping people out in tornados but the government helping people that are sick in the form of free medical care is not good?

I agree with you in black and white. However, I don't agree with turning a blind eye to human suffering. I'm also afraid that the current political climate on the right is creating a large divide where people will be far less charitable and much less likely to help those in need. It's much more convenient to just have everyone give an extra $0.3% or whatever it is. For every $10,000 you actually paid in taxes per year, about $30 of that goes to FEMA. Tough love isn't going to save lives or eliminate suffering in any immediate sense. In practice it's very much the same as compulsory insurance and taxes. In both cases, you accept that you must give back a percentage as a safety net and to hedge against greater loss. You may never use your auto insurance, for the entirety of your driving life and you'll have easily paid in $50,000+ or even $250,000+ depending. You would force people to pay $100s and $1,000s per month depending, for health insurance and they may never even use it or their needs can be denied because it's a very fragile system in favor of the insurance companies and shareholders, not those who need the insurance. At the end of the day, I'm still in favor of compassion over greed.