Model Interaction ???
 

OK for my next NOOB question... It seems to me the real money is made not from model interaction on sites... but other less scrupiless ideas... such as the dreaded cross sale ect (even though I know the new VISA laws have made that cherry a little harder...)

So the reason I ask is we have a couple of girls who want to really interact with their sites, do the whole webcam, blog, message board, self taken pics ect ect...

Do people think this is still worth the effort ? I am guessing would still rather be on a site where the girl as some participartion... ???

Opinions, Thoughts, and Ideas really welcome :thumbsup

If they use your equipment, make sure you wipe the keyboard down with some good anti-bacterial wipes.

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When you said equipement I thought you was referring to something else then ! :winkwink:

Models should be seen and not heard.

This is pretty simple to answer. If they want to, do it.

Make sure to have a ton of content in the bank before you launch and then all the interaction is just extra $ in the pocket. Theres never a reason not to go with alot of interaction, unless you get the feeling that she will quit after a bit.

Launching with no interaction is better than launching with it and stopping it.

People only complain if you take something away from them

Bad idea. Start with interaction, and keep it going.

Interaction is extremely important. Just because a site has a lot of content is no recipe for success. (they can get it all for free anyway). We did $1729 in sales on Friday Feb 3rd all thanks to Interaction.

We're talking about solo girl sites though and mine do better than 95 percent without interaction. Trust me. Surfers like their videos/photosets more than interaction. Alot more. Affiliates don't advertise solo girl sites with interaction and tours don't usually sell them on interaction either. Open up some solo sites and you'll realize. :)

I can see why people would think otherwise though

And not everybody can get it all for free, promo stuff yes but most surfers aren't savvy enough to find all the content for free.

If everyone could find all content for free so quickly, nobody would be making sales. I am making VERY good sales. So I disagree

And its easier to say "keep it going" - then to actually do it. How many girls stick around in this business? Since the days of Kates Playground, NextDoorNikki, there hasn't been girls to come into this industry and stick around. Not if theyre hot. They'll move onto other things or just move onto life.

There is still money in solo sites. people fall in love with the girls. I would listen to Pseudonymous he is giving you good advice. I never understood why you always sell your content, you could really make much more building sites. but to warn you. It is alot of work!!!

:2 cents::2 cents: Real interaction helps build a loyal following of fans that are willing to spend money over and over again. It is absolutely worth the effort, as long as the girls are prepared to be put in the extra hard work, of blogging, camming, taking pics of themselves, etc. :2 cents::2 cents:

Not exactly. Interaction is very important this day, especially if the girls not super hot.
You have great looking girls, o i can see why they make a good sells, your first solo girl has an amazing face, really one of a kind.
I have 13 solo sites, and it's all about the girls. Some made great sells, and some made about zero sells and i lost a lot of money on them.
But if you will have interaction, you will have MUCH better rebills.

www.emily18.com
And she is still very popular.
7+ years :) you can guess she is not 18 anymore...

Steve already have a lot of paysites, if i am not wrong, 24 sites, including many sologirls.

Well I agree in one area, they better be interactive if they aren't hot, you are correct.

But as a whole, youre wrong. I know lots of girls who are great models who are interactive, just as good looking as my models that don't do nearly as well, great, an interactive model will rebill 20-25 percent better if theyre hot and interactive and update as much, however if you spent that time towards making more videos and photos for promotional content, you'd see 20-25 percent increase in new sales.

I know some people will argue this to the death but it's simply not true, interactive is a great bonus but it's not needed. Proper promotion is. If you gave me any girl, I could get her to 40k/day. Its promotion. It's 100% promotion.

I could list about 500 models who are gorgeous and also gorgeous and interactive. They do not bring in close to the number of sales.

Why? Again, Promotion.

What helps promotion, a steady flow of promo material. I do not go 3-5 days without a promo update in their inbox. Do you know how I am able to update this frequently? Because I focus on content.

Do you think its a coincidence that my 2 models have had very similar traffic spikes, both reaching 40k/day? And I will bump this thread when I get 2 more that do this. How peoples sites are due to their skill and how often they put out content. My traffic spikes line up exactly to promo emails, I stop sending out promo, traffic stops, i send out promo, it rises. I spread out updates, it decreases slowly.

If a girl stops webcamming, you lose 10-20 percent max. and it won't go any lower

HunterLeigh is one of the hottest girls in the industry for quite some time (up there with my models) and shes very active on webcam and does live videos for people, private videos for people, etc- Her site is still receiving very little traffic, sadly.

I talk to solo girl affiliates all day, I have a solo girl affiliate site that has about 25k/daily right now. And in talking to solo girl affiliates and in viewing my own stats, i can confirm my models rebill rate lines up with all other models.

This first time i see this girl, so yep...they defiantly have a problem with traffic, but check out my site on alexa...emily has a very good traffic to, but it's really not the same with all the girls.
You will see.
At the beginning, affiliate start to send a lot traffic, if the girl sells good, they will continue, if not...they will stop.

Nope, solo affiliates don't drop any girls unless they do drastically bad. They need the content.

They especially won't stop promoting you if you keep giving them content that keeps their blogs/solo girl tgps updated and bookmarkers happy

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Yes Alice is right... I do indeed run a bunch of sites, infact I would guess nearer 40 lol...

I run the program www.GirlieCash.com for example... One of the reasons we moved into Content Sales was things with the paysites slowed down... I used to make I would guess 4 times as much with a quarter of the sites 10 years ago when I first started :disgust

But I do believe we should be making more bank with our paysites... I think one thing we've missed a trick with is building our own traffic, which is something we are going to address...

However I also think that model interaction can play a part in success, certainly with rebills... guys yes can down load all the pic and video content, but they cant down load the personal touch... the girl doing webcam for her members for example...

We have a couple of girls who are real keen to kick start their websites, become involved and of course make money from it... Of course there is no guarantee they will stay the course... girls/models are flakey at the best of time... but I think it's worth giving it a go (yes I answered my own question lol!)

I am thinking of things to get the girls to do... how does my list sound ? Anything missing ?

2 x 1 hour (plus) member webcam shows
Blog Entries
Self Taken Amateur Pics
Message Boards
Social Media Networking (FaceBook/Twitter/Youtube)

:helpme

And really hate mentioning this because it seems like im criticizing you but you launched that 8 years ago or so. Its rise and and following is due to the date it launched.

It reminds me of my conversation with Shap and how I pointed towards alot of his success being due to the time he entered the industry. Hes skilled but hes not truly amazing which it appears to be because noone else did as good as him but thats only because they really didn't know what they were doing, this industry attracts a very lazy kind. Because of the lack of physical work and the small capital you need to get started

While I am sure youre a fine webmaster but the reasons for the majority of sites doing well pre 2008-2009 are not because they were properly promoted, interactive, etc. and to compare it to sites launched in the past year or two is absurd. The max a site can make almost decreases 10 percent each year in this niche. So in your case, you launching Emily18.com today from scratch, that would mean a HUGE hit

I can think of alot of programs who had successful models but have yet to launch one in many years. Alot have closed down. If you keep a site updated, you can milk it forever, the fanbase they obtain when launching many years ago is absurd, solo girls were liek rockstars. Nikki and Kate still sell better for me than any new model

Rico from Panchodog will confirm Ariel would not be nearly as big if launched today, any webmaster will tell you that

Another example: BellaCash

Good webmaster, half decent promotion and hot models.

Bryci.Com - success (years ago)

He has the same marketing strategies with his other sites: TaliaShepherd, AvaDawn, KatieBanks, etc- They aren't even a fraction of what Bryci is and it's not all because of her looks

DawsonMiller.com is ancient and hasn't updated in like 5 years. lol its making what most new sites are making. It wasn't even one of the more successful sites back then

Steve, I read your thread on NNMasters. Don't even bother trying to build your own traffic, they have no idea what theyre talking about. lol

A guy who is starting to learn tgps, blogs, seo starting now would get nowhere while also running paysites. You need to depend on affiliates, still alot out there. They drive me tons of sales.

Theres not a TON of traffic from twitter, facebook as you think, i have alot of followers. For every 5,000 followers, you'll be disappointed at how many click your links, even if you tweet a pic. And facebook accounts get deleted pretty quick.

The only forums dedicated that you could get traffic from are ones that are full of freeloaders

Official Blog is about the only real good source.

Yes, but the same time emily18 as lunch we had other sites as well....same year, and they never was close to her.
We have also everestcash.com , and we are going to put all the old solos in one big multi site and keep updete with new content because those sites already dead.
But when they was new,they really made very big different in sells. Even when we gave exactly the same promo and they relised in the same time.
So, its a lot about the girls also.

And i agree that time is different now.
Much much harder to do the same today...
Many solo girls make shit now, and it's sad.

You are not the only one that give promo every 3 days and have a good content, so it's really not all about it.
I don't wanna give names, but some webmasters of solo sites, has a great pro tools that updates every week, and they known people in the industry, have a big affiliate base and people know about them...but the sites have no traffic.

While I can't prove anything because its too far back but did Emily18.com stay with the site and did others leave, did she update more frequently? Do you think it might be because of that?

Also maybe because most of them weren't that promoted and because back then, they had so many models to choose from, maybe they actually only chose her from ur program because it was the only one they found attractive enough?

And no it's not just about the promo every 3 days or so, it's about having a decent looking model, proper promotion and not being late on content. Having updates doesn't matter if noone knows about your program ;)

Tell me the sites and ill tell you whats wrong with them, I was a huge affiliate before a paysite owner, so i promoted them all. I had over 400k/daily to my last tgp network. And that wasnt that long ago. Point is, that i could probably tell you the mistakes they made and its not due to their model being interactive or not

All I know is that a non interactive model will produce as many sales as any interactive model I launch, besides the interactive model might have a very slight increase in rebills. Thats all. Why do i think that is? Because theyre happy with the amount of content being offered. My content is seen by every single person that looks at solo girl stuff, theyll eventually signup, these guys just jump on new sites when they come out. Interactive or not. Theyre not going to stay for the weekly cam shows. Like steve ssaid, why do i know that? PrivateSchoolJewel had almost 800-1000 members and the amount of regular cam viewers, little. Thats how little care. You really think youre going to get over 50-60 people staying tuned for your weekly or whatever cam shows? They don't want the rebill. Thats all they care. Alot of them can't afford to pay every single month, they don't cancel for any other reason other than not wanting to keep paying

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OK I'm running on 4 hours sleep, so hopefully I will make some kind of sense...

I totally agree that affiliates and their traffic is key... however we've always struggled to get traffic to our sites... dont ask me why, maybe it's cause I am a BRIT... maybe I just dont know where the right place to look is lol...

I think we shoot decent girls, decent content, and create decent paysites... Yes I am only using the word "decent" as I am sure if I say smoking hot people will shoot me down in flames... lol.

Our sites in general convert at a decent rario, even if with only a limited amount of traffic, and I dont doubt the ratio would be a little bit more diluted if it was getting more traffic chucked at it...

However I dont see any problems with starting to create our own traffic, I know it means stretching your resources a little, but it's something we can build up over time... I am not saying we're going to be experts in it by any means... but the odd 100% sale would be nice.

Likewise if some of the girls want to help push their sites then I dont see any problems with that either, and I do believe it will improve sales and in particular re bills... by what margain who knows, and yes there will probably be loads of sites out there that still convert more without interaction...

So I'm by no means saying I am right and you are wrong... I do believe traffic is key (and I know affiliate traffic is huge), and traffic comes from promotion... I just think promotion from a person with good tits (even though myn are not too shabby) might help

And your example about BellaCash...
As i understand he updates his promo a lot, and i think he have a good quality content, so how would you example it that those other sites have way less traffic?

Hmm? I said, it's not about interactivity. That was the point i was proving, so you agree, good content, interactive, good promo. Little traffic. Shouldn't he have more? His girls are gorgeous . By your theory, he should be doing very well with with all the webcam shows, blogs and behind the scenes,e tc ;)



His models also dont rebill as well, according to the big affiliates out there. Besides Bryci. Who does as well

You create decent content, decent girls, etc - Youre not a webmaster. lol thats the difference.

And while it'd be great if you could magically turn into an experienced one, the likeliness of you making these sites do a ton better is slim. I think if you focused all your time on one or two, it'd help. But you have a ton and youre a content shooter, thats hard to imagine that you'd only have 2 and stick to those until they do well

I been doing this AGES and went from a very large affiliate to a paysite owner and i still wouldnt have done well if i tried launching with a bunch.

In your case, maybe you are right, maybe interaction will help because of your lack of promotional experience.

I would say hire somebody to do the job but theres nobody and the profit margin isn't there. So what I would suggest that you won't take. Attach your program to somebody else who does this. Shoot for them, be a content shooter. Let them tell you what you need a bit more of and to send out the emails to already established affiliates. To be honest, without being in the group with these old ass affiliates who dont even signup to new programs anymore, a new program would be screwed.

How many emails do you think you'd get back if you emailed a ton of affiliates about promoting your new program, you'd be amazed at the lack of responses.

Oh and btw, not sure if i came across as saying you shouldn't do model interaction, i said it's good and you should do it, never a reason not to unless you think theyll quit within weeks or a month or two.

I am just saying you don't need to and it doesn't make a huge difference

But im sure thats not in your plan, i understand wanting to do it yourself and you can't really trust anyone really, not in this business. So all i can say is, dont think interaction is going to sell your site. It might bring you in sales here and there but they won't keep rebilling when the model leaves because her percent youre giving her to stay active is barely anything. Because its the promotion that gets the other 85 percent ;)

Theres a reason most girls don't cam in their members area anymore. There is no money to be made for them to do it, not for 20 percent increase in rebills.

Just ask xoxoleah, kisskara, gotgisele, viorotica.com and all the livecamcash girls,then katie banks, and im sure other bellacash models

who are on MFC to make their cam money.

You could get them under your cam studio but watch how quickly realize they can do that without you. hah - viorotica and gotgisele are no longer apart of livecamcash btw.

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OK Will you be offended if I say... now your getting a little annoying lol, and I do mean it in the nicest possible way

First off... I was a webmaster before I was a content shooter... started in this industry in 2001, started selling content I would guess about 2006...

Now your right in as much as I probably aint a "webmaster" certainly not a good one... I certainly dont know the tricks that most do... which is weird really seeing I come from a sales and marketing background, and think of myself as a all round nice guy :winkwink:

However we've partnered with plenty of so called "GIANTS" and have not had much more luck to be frank... in some cases actually losing money ! SO I dont really see these Jedi Guru's as a way forward... of course that could just point to the fact that our content doesnt sell... or is just all round crap... but I dont believe that...

I am not suggesting for one minute that I am going to turn my now under achieving sites into a monster network to make me rich... what I am saying is we're going to do something to "improve" things... is that wrong ?

My original post was asking people's opinion's on "Model Interaction" one of the things we're looking at to "improve" things... I think we will initially concentrate on 1 or 2 of the sites, with 1 or 2 of the better converting girls becoming involved...

Hopefully this coupled with us starting to look at our own traffic and one or two places to purchase traffic from as well for the network... will help to see things move forward... it wont be instant and it wont be massive I know... but slowley slowley catchy monkey works for us...

And just to clarify, I do appreciate your comments... I know your 99% right... but just think there is always room for improvement... and again that's what we're looking to do, get things moving in the right direction :thumbsup

Anyone else with their 2 cents... Hopefully not Currently Sober with his poo comments :disgust

haha don't worry, i take everything with a grain of salt, you wont offend me.

And what you were first doesn't change what you are now, youre a content shooter now ;)

And yes I have heard the stories of who you chose to partner up with. lol theyre hardly gurus. nevermind the fact they are people you really shouldn't have partnered up with for many other reasons. Remember its not about what theyve done but what they've done in the past while

I was actually going to use some of their sites as examples as why you can't launch a bunch and expect them to succeed and thats even being backed by a big company ;)

And I know you were only asking about model interaction and i answered that with, yeah you should. I was actually only arguing the others peoples points who seemed to stress its more important than it really is. I thought so way back also

I guess Ill just sit here with my 100 percent cut of my business (no percent for model) and watch my sales being better than the people with a percent being given away :D Hey less competition for me

:1orglaugh

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Well there is news on our partnerships... but that's for another day...

Bottom line we'll be running things 100% ourselves... not sure if that's the best idea... but that's what we're going to be doing...

I agree getting affiliates to give you a shot is hard... and I certainly aint in the click :Oh crap

We are exploring ideas... if I told you how much traffic our sites got and in turn what revenues we're bringing in you'd cry for us...

Oh and yeah I definetly think of myself as more of a content shooter nowadays... again not the greatest, certainly no Dean Capture... or Jayrock... but we do find unsaturated girls in the UK and create some sexy content.

I know it's not the best in the world, it's certainly no perfect 10... but I know it should be making us more than it is, yes the buck stops with me... so that's why I am taking responsibility and looking at things to improve the situation... and as I said your advice is more than welcome :thumbsup

Trust me, the better you get at photography, the worse you'll get in the solo niche. Once you gain skill, you never dumb yourself down again and shoot more amateur. its constantly more and more glamour. Until it's no longer what works best in the niche. Dean and JayRock's content would not work best. And im not biased because I shoot higher end stuff and i can even admit I would be better off not doing so. Its a good thing i combine the higher end artsy stuff with knowing clickable content, Ive ran high traffic tgps for ages and I can spot a clickable image out of 500, everytime. That makes up for my choice of high end content

Ive read what you get in traffic daily, I thought you typo'd =/

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Yeah I had this conversation... but I aint convinced people want total amateur... more and more sites I see are a little more glam... I mean even a real basic cam nowadays takes nice pics lol... again maybe I am wrong, or it's just my photographer brain taking control lol...

And nope my traffic stats we're very honest unfortenetly lol or should I be crying at this point...

Yeah youre right, more and more sites are getting better (as in more glam), it's a combination of photographers getting better with time considering this industry is roughly the same people when it comes to paysites and the fact that people think it needs to better because other sites are producing more glamour like content. Because theyre new and dumb and matching what others are doing.

The same way designs get better and better, you think thats also for sales? Nope. Its to impress other webmasters and people in the industry. ;) As long as a design is laid out proper, its not horribly ugly and they can find their way around, theyll signup if they like the model

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SO if I shoot a girl with a top flash and bad framing... and get her a site designed in PAINT with 1999 colours I am onto a winner :winkwink:

I was actually asked to shoot some content for a program, in a real amateur style... and it was such hard work... shooting without studio lighting is soooooo slow !

Anyways people... I think we're going to give the interaction a shot, even taking into account the comments suggesting it's not such a big thing... but have we got all the bases covered ?

2 x 1 hour (plus) member webcam shows
Blog Entries
Self Taken Amateur Pics
Message Boards
Social Media Networking (FaceBook/Twitter/Youtube)

Sound about right, have we missed anything... ?

She'll do as well as your others. lol she'll do as good as shes promoted

Really? I am sick of moving the lights around. We did that with Autumn, when I took over as photographer for NatashaBelle, i used the lights on like 4 sets out of 110+

Natural light ftw.

And ill let others give you more ideas in that department ;) Looks good so far, good luck

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Natural Light... you know we're in the UK right, Natural Light doesn't exist in the UK, well at least 9/10 :Oh crap

And once we have some more stuff in place, just getting some stuff sorted... I will definetly be all ears on the promotion front :winkwink:

Timing helps but it isn't everything. Every year since the year I started I saw new people come in and be successful. Timing helps but isn't everything. You have to work your ass off but you also have to be in touch with your product and your clients. Everybody has their own secret formula to success. You just have to find yours it won't find you.

Yep I agree but the people that failed then were just terrible. haha and the people that even remained were also terrible and now that adult businesses have to be ran like any other other business in any other industry (pretty much), most can't continue. Is my main point.

You were extremely successful then, even if you dropped 10 pegs because of the economy/piracy/tubes, etc, you would still be very high. People with solo sites weren't even near the level you were then so when 8 years goes by, you can see why i think they would stand no chance today.

I dont think one solo program who had a successful girl could even come close to duplicating it, thats all im saying, i would even go as far as to say most couldn't even make a successful site again

Same here. I live in the rainiest city ever. Vancouver, Canada :P

I fly to the cheapest destinations.

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Glad I aint a defeatest then lol :Oh crap

Yep understood. It also depends on the person's goals and the deal/ownership structure. A single model site run by the model doing 5 to 10 sales a day isn't bad. You could survive and make some decent money with that.

Yep, there are VERY few models that could run a site themselves and garner 5-10 sales a day though. Most model sites with experienced webmasters aren't even producing that, the models still also have to give half of their money to affiliates, pay for affiliate software, hosting, cms, webcam software, design, outfits.

If alot stopped after one website these days, they'd probably close up shop, I would have. I was profiting pretty little and my sites are very large for the niche. The money is in continuing to build and growing.

I pay my bills with other projects such as affiliate sites. So im able to take that money and reinvest. If you needed to support yourself. That would be very tough

When it comes to model interaction, it is worth considering phone.

This liberates models from the Internet, allowing them to make money wherever they are. And for callers, it's a thrill knowing they can reach out to their fav model directly on their cell.

She can charge what she likes per minute and needless to say the caller never sees her real number...

The tip is to use their pussy as ATM to make money

If you have opinionated and intelligent models, blogs are great! The more social media, the better. If you can get them on cam in a way that feels authentic, so much the better!

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This is one area we are going to look into... there is a lot of phone and mobile things we want to add to the sites... just need to find soemone who can offer us what we're looking for...

Steve you should find ONE great model and do it right - and a girl who isn't shooting for 10 other sites. There's not ONE successful solo site model who shoots for a bunch of sites - think of them all - Tawnee, Jordan, Alison, Kate, Raven, Melissa, Ariel, Andi, Dawson, Nikki, Madden, etc etc

One site done right can make more than 5 sites thrown at the wall like spaghetti hoping one strand sticks.

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We still strive for that perfect girl... even though in fairness most feel there will never be another "Big Thing" Let's be honest Tawnee was back when people had 56k modems and there was only 4 girls on the internet...

And even the other's you mention made their name what 5 years ago ? I see you pop some really good ones out the bag, surprised they aint rocking it to be honest ?

We haven't found 1 that ticks all the box's... but are going to focus on two of our sites, that doesnt of course mean our other sites cant bring us in a little dollar... :thumbsup

Oh god, i would never shoot a girl who has shot with a bunch of other people, they are going to be 100x more likely to do it after I put all my hard work and effort into making them big. Screw that. My models are for my sites only.

I 100% agree with Mutt and Pseudonymous on that.
Learned from my own experience.Solo sites works ONLY with exclusive girls.
I still can take a girl who are "used" to be a lot of other sites, if the price is right, and make her a solo, but i also will know that it's more for the network rebills and not for sells, i treat it like a filler content.

For sells, she must be exclusive.

Well, must admit that if the girl only appeal on some met-art sets and that all, it's ok as well.
But if she is on 20 other sites....it will not work out.