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Paul Markham 01-26-2012 11:59 AM

Should the Internet be regulated? Read before you vote.
 
With regulation we are seeing some file lockers closing.

With no regulation there is no crime.

This goes for snuff, CP real rape, etc. No to regulation and more victims suffing, yes means people not doing it to profit from it online.

No third option you can't pick and choose laws.

CurrentlySober 01-26-2012 12:10 PM

Not again?

You did this a few weeks ago...

alias 01-26-2012 12:12 PM

Dear Paul,

Please shut the fuck up.

Regards,

The Internet

martinsc 01-26-2012 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alias (Post 18713853)
Dear Paul,

Please shut the fuck up.

Regards,

The Internet

:1orglaugh

porno jew 01-26-2012 12:19 PM

fuck off ...............

Paul Markham 01-26-2012 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 18713846)
Not again?

You did this a few weeks ago...

Yes, with the law bringing down MU and the subsequent actions of other File lockers. I wondered if people would like to rethink their votes.

We also have the thread of people accusing Manwin of owning Filesonic. Without regulation, what's to stop the Internet just becoming a place for people to download free stuff?

Paul Markham 01-26-2012 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18713887)
fuck off ...............

If you said it, I will definitely give it some deep thought.

Done and decided to stick it out here. Took me longer than a heart beat, not as long as 2 though. :1orglaugh

The good news is, I went for my quarterly check up today and the Oncologist said I'm a miracle. Not many of the specialist gave me a decent chance of surviving, those who did thought the best scenario was to remove my tongue.

I told her it was the thought of not being around to annoy you that kept me going. Thanks PJ. :thumbsup

BFT3K 01-26-2012 03:47 PM

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ottopottomouse 01-26-2012 04:35 PM

Yes if internet rule #1 is a blanket ban on the over 60s.

DamianJ 01-26-2012 04:44 PM

Paul, the internet is global. There are no global laws. Each country has their own laws.

HTH

Damian

stocktrader23 01-26-2012 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alias (Post 18713853)
Dear Paul,

Please shut the fuck up.

Regards,

The Internet

http://i.imgur.com/atlJn.gif

porno jew 01-26-2012 04:50 PM

the government is never going to regulate the market to buy your crappy old content. the end.

Wizzo 01-26-2012 04:54 PM

If it will stop redundant polls on GFY, then I'm all for it! :pimp

sperbonzo 01-26-2012 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18713905)
Yes, with the law bringing down MU and the subsequent actions of other File lockers.?

that was not the result of regulation of the internet, that was regulation of copywrite laws.

totally different issue, and we don't need specific internet laws to get this done.



:2 cents:.

Fletch XXX 01-26-2012 08:11 PM

i love when people use snuff in examples.

snuff isnt real people. no snuff film has ever been found

the fbi and countless investigations have never turned up a single snuff film, anyone in ADULT should really know this. its like unicorns...

BlackCrayon 01-26-2012 08:14 PM

cp is legal online without 'regulation'..? which is such a broad term.

Best-In-BC 01-26-2012 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alias (Post 18713853)
Dear Paul,

Please shut the fuck up.

Regards,

The Internet

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porno jew 01-26-2012 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18714759)
i love when people use snuff in examples.

snuff isnt real people. no snuff film has ever been found

the fbi and countless investigations have never turned up a single snuff film, anyone in ADULT should really know this. its like unicorns...

there are a few. that stuff films don't exist is corny old shit from the 80s-90s that for some reason people cling to still. google is your friend.

Fletch XXX 01-26-2012 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18714808)
there are a few. that stuff films don't exist is corny old shit from the 80s-90s that for some reason people cling to still. google is your friend.

no, if mankind records videos of himself fucking animals, obviously there are videos of people dying we record anything,..., however, the cult style charlie manson snuff/sex film is totally make believe. if not where are they?

links??

Paul Markham 01-27-2012 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18714436)
Paul, the internet is global. There are no global laws. Each country has their own laws.

HTH

Damian

So each country should regulate what's published in their own country. We agree.

melloman 01-27-2012 12:28 AM

We are loosing our freedom under obama. He wants to control the internet and many other things.

Paul Markham 01-27-2012 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18714751)
that was not the result of regulation of the internet, that was regulation of copywrite laws.

totally different issue, and we don't need specific internet laws to get this done.



:2 cents:.

So you voted yes. As unregulated means no regulation. :thumbsup

Existing laws should apply to the Internet, does this mean laws since 1970, or whenever the Internet started, no law should include new technology of any kind or just the Internet should be exempt?

Paul Markham 01-27-2012 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18714759)
i love when people use snuff in examples.

snuff isnt real people. no snuff film has ever been found

the fbi and countless investigations have never turned up a single snuff film, anyone in ADULT should really know this. its like unicorns...

Do you think the reason for this is it's hard to monetize the product?

Make it easy and what's the odds?

Obviously you missed the ones that were shown online. The CIA didn't.

Ron Bennett 01-27-2012 01:56 AM

The internet has always been regulated. Even more so prior to 1990 when ARPA, and later 1990-1995 when the NSF, called the shots.

As for on-line piracy ... there's lots of case law dating back to the 1980s when BBSes were very popular and facilitating file trading.

In short, much of the on-line legal issues that seem new aren't.

Ron

2012 01-27-2012 02:04 AM

should poo be regulated ?

CyberHustler 01-27-2012 02:22 AM

Fuck this poll... time for a joint

Paul Markham 01-28-2012 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett (Post 18715165)
The internet has always been regulated. Even more so prior to 1990 when ARPA, and later 1990-1995 when the NSF, called the shots.

As for on-line piracy ... there's lots of case law dating back to the 1980s when BBSes were very popular and facilitating file trading.

In short, much of the on-line legal issues that seem new aren't.

Ron

Don't talk above their pay grade. Obvious to most an unregulated Internet would require Governments to pass laws saying so. Obvious to most is once you have laws pertaining to online, they have to be updated to keep up with technology. Like every other law is.

Still the obvious misses most people here.

All SOPA does is apply existing to laws to people who publish their work in the US in a way that makes it harder to penalise them. If you want to continue pirating, you're free to do so. Just make sure your site isn't targeted at the US, that you don't steal US property and have the backing of US companies. So you don't break existing US laws.

Regulation exists online.
No regulation would need laws to be passed exempting online.

Paul Markham 01-28-2012 03:06 AM

No regulation = No DMCA, copyright laws, child porn laws, libel laws, no Internet Neutrality laws, no fraud laws, no theft laws no protection against the Internet declining to the level of the scum and probably the end of the Internet as we know it and earn our living from it. I can take all Manwin's BB's RK's content and put it on one site for free and sell ad space or charge to DL it.

nothing to stop me or anyone else from doing this. Because the Internet is unregulated.

Frank21 01-28-2012 03:21 AM

regulating the internet means no google anymore since it breaks the copyright rules by copying stuff of your website without written permission remember.

Paul Markham 01-28-2012 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank21 (Post 18717193)
regulating the internet means no google anymore since it breaks the copyright rules by copying stuff of your website without written permission remember.

I think that would covered as "fair use". Best ask GG or your lawyer.

Unregulated means no site with anything that can be pirated. As the pirates would have a field day. Why buy anything pre recorded when you can pirate it? For instance I could take all your sites and give them away for free. Sod DMCA, it doesn't exist. LOL

If we're talking extremes lets keep it extreme. :thumbsup

You have a problem on your site solo porn stars, the preview doesn't work on my FF.

EukerVoorn 01-28-2012 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by DamianJ
Paul, the internet is global. There are no global laws. Each country has their own laws.

---------------------------------

So each country should regulate what's published in their own country. We agree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18715070)
So each country should regulate what's published in their own country. We agree.

This is problematic.

The best way to fight illegal porn and stolen content is at the roots, thus at server/site owner level. For cp, bestiality, snuff and copyright infringement this is easy and logic. All this is illegal everywhere so it can be dealt with at server/site owner level.

Content that isn't illegal everywhere, for example scat, could/should be blocked at service provider level. It would be impossible for the US to take down a server in Amsterdam because there is scat content distributed to US citizens from that server.

Anyway, yes the internet should be regulated by applying the existing laws to it, don't make new separate laws for the internet. What's illegal in real life is illegal on the internet as well, simple.

stocktrader23 01-28-2012 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn (Post 18717261)
Originally Posted by DamianJ
Paul, the internet is global. There are no global laws. Each country has their own laws.

---------------------------------

So each country should regulate what's published in their own country. We agree.



This is problematic.

The best way to fight illegal porn and stolen content is at the roots, thus at server/site owner level. For cp, bestiality, snuff and copyright infringement this is easy and logic. All this is illegal everywhere so it can be dealt with at server/site owner level.

Content that isn't illegal everywhere, for example scat, could/should be blocked at service provider level. It would be impossible for the US to take down a server in Amsterdam because there is scat content distributed to US citizens from that server.

Anyway, yes the internet should be regulated by applying the existing laws to it, don't make new separate laws for the internet. What's illegal in real life is illegal on the internet as well, simple.

You are the smartest scat slinger I know.

EukerVoorn 01-28-2012 05:02 AM

Thanks. But how many scat slingers do you know? :1orglaugh

Fletch XXX 01-28-2012 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18715080)

Obviously you missed the ones that were shown online. The CIA didn't.

If the CIA found true "kill for sex for commercial" release snuff online it would be in the news... How come none of you can provide link to where CIA found snuff... Its on you to prove it exists not me... With no proof of existence this is like unicorns.

the CIA would not hide this and would go public... So where oh where is a link thst says any CIA or FBI has found snuff.

FBI has claimed no for years.

google quickly shows FBI disputes existence of kill for sex for profit videoz

snuff is supposed to be for sale, a commercial product made for money. Links?

Fletch XXX 01-28-2012 06:13 AM

here ill go first:

https://www.google.com/search?q=fbi+...ient=firefox-a

so here is fbi denying snuff, as a horror movie fanatic ive always wanted to believe in snuff, but its simply not real... i bet you guys think "faces of death" is all real too! lol

if cia found snuff online it would surely be in google...

stocktrader23 01-28-2012 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18717406)
here ill go first:

https://www.google.com/search?q=fbi+...ient=firefox-a

so here is fbi denying snuff, as a horror movie fanatic ive always wanted to believe in snuff, but its simply not real... i bet you guys think "faces of death" is all real too! lol

if cia found snuff online it would surely be in google...

"Faces of Death" was a great way to single out complete morons. Yes idiot, the guy really jumped off of the building and died. There just happened to be someone filming above and below so we could get the multiple angles and seamless cut scene like you're watching a movie.

Come to think of it though, Blair Witch was even better. When someone told you about the new horror movie that was real you KNEW they were sporting an IQ of 82.

jakeuk 01-28-2012 06:45 AM

The difficulty with regulating the internet is who will be in charge? If you have the wrong people regulating the internet it could be a disaster. If you have the right wings in charge sites like this one will be shut down, if you have the left wingers regulating it loads of shit that should not be allowed may be allowed so the question is who can make a good job of regulating the internet?

u-Bob 01-28-2012 07:02 AM

Murdering someone is a crime... no matter what tool is used to commit that murder. There's no need to make new laws for every new tool, appliance, vehicle,.... in order to prevent people from using it to commit murder. When Ford or Honda brings a new car to market, do we need a new law so people will know they can't use that specific car to deliberately run over people?

Committing fraud is a crime. It doesn't matter if you do it in a face2face setting, using a letter, using a telephone, using sign language, in English or in Japanese or using a computer.

A computer connected to the internet is just another tool. No need to give more power to government bureaucrats.

u-Bob 01-28-2012 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakeuk (Post 18717440)
The difficulty with regulating the internet is who will be in charge? If you have the wrong people regulating the internet it could be a disaster. If you have the right wings in charge sites like this one will be shut down, if you have the left wingers regulating it loads of shit that should not be allowed may be allowed so the question is who can make a good job of regulating the internet?

don't worry about that. Paul actually believes that bringing censorship to the internet would somehow boost sales :)

Frank21 01-28-2012 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18717220)

You have a problem on your site solo porn stars, the preview doesn't work on my FF.

No the site is ok just FF sucks.
The biggst problem of this amazing website is that noone sees the true value of this top notch top domainname including site/content and everything wich is for sale and looking for a new owner for a small fee.

porno jew 01-28-2012 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18714823)
no, if mankind records videos of himself fucking animals, obviously there are videos of people dying we record anything,..., however, the cult style charlie manson snuff/sex film is totally make believe. if not where are they?

links??

google it asshole. they are out there/

Vendzilla 01-28-2012 09:13 AM

Regulation or Censorhip being put in place? Paul wouldn't be able to post this question because the people in charge would be tired of his shit! LOL

Paul Markham 01-29-2012 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn (Post 18717261)
Originally Posted by DamianJ
Paul, the internet is global. There are no global laws. Each country has their own laws.

---------------------------------

So each country should regulate what's published in their own country. We agree.



This is problematic.

The best way to fight illegal porn and stolen content is at the roots, thus at server/site owner level. For cp, bestiality, snuff and copyright infringement this is easy and logic. All this is illegal everywhere so it can be dealt with at server/site owner level.

Content that isn't illegal everywhere, for example scat, could/should be blocked at service provider level. It would be impossible for the US to take down a server in Amsterdam because there is scat content distributed to US citizens from that server.

Anyway, yes the internet should be regulated by applying the existing laws to it, don't make new separate laws for the internet. What's illegal in real life is illegal on the internet as well, simple.

Well if stopping it at "server/site owner level" worked it would be fine. Sadly on some of the examples, piracy being the worse, it doesn't work.

For content like scat, where it's illegal in the US and legal in another country there are bigger problems. Should a server be forced by law to make sure it's blocked from countries where it is illegal or should a country do the blocking itself. Maybe by the US saying US CC companies are not allowed to process payments, or just waiting for the owner to step onto US soil to arrest him?

Yes offline laws should apply to online laws, it's making them enforceable that's the problem. As Damian says the Internet is Global. So while it may be legal in one country, it gets published world wide in places it's illegal. The existing laws are often powerless in dealing with new technologies. so laws have to be updated to the present day and level of technology.

Paul Markham 01-29-2012 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18717406)
here ill go first:

https://www.google.com/search?q=fbi+...ient=firefox-a

so here is fbi denying snuff, as a horror movie fanatic ive always wanted to believe in snuff, but its simply not real... i bet you guys think "faces of death" is all real too! lol

if cia found snuff online it would surely be in google...

If the definition of a snuff movie is sex and killing, you're right. For me it's a movie with real killing and that's out there from terrorists beheading captives. So it's a difference of definition.

Are you that sure that movies involving sex and death wouldn't appear if the Internet were unregulated?

scarlettcontent 01-29-2012 09:44 AM

looks like a big NO


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