State of the Union address 2012
 

Who's watching?

I watch every year. Not sure why.

I don't even waste my time.....

Blah Blah, the American people want this.

Blah Blah, Promise #1

Blah Blah Promise #2

Lies.

State of the Lies 2012.

I don't watch every year and I know why.

Can't think of a worse waste of time than listening to puppet Obama read a teleprompter....

I's about to start.

Everybody shut up!

He'll promise the hand out crowd more of other peoples' money and hope they still believe him so he can win another election

The moronic 'personal interest story' crap and cameo appearances by random people in the audience to fit the narrative always makes me cringe... regardless of the party in power. Who cares if Jackie Nobody found a job... unless she is 6% of the workforce all by herself, she doesn't really matter much.

The gullible sheep are probably eating up Obama's rhetoric with a spoon right about now...

Watching right now man! I still think it's worth watching.

It seemed sensible and optimistic enough.

Let's see what the GOP response speech is like, coming up in one minute...

Keyword: seemed.

Things aren't always how they seem. They usually aren't how they seem.

Any good actor can put on a suit and tie and read some fucking script and tell you how great everything is.

Maybe you don't keep up with economic news? There is no reason to be optimistic right now.

You would do a better job, no doubt!

Keyword=Built to Last!! :)

Do a better job at what? Being another empty suit puppet for wall street, the federal reserve, and the military industrial complex?

Nope. Sorry, I wouldn't sink that low... I would do a terrible job at that, sort of like JFK...

Did anyone notice the looks on the republicans faces during this bullshit speach? How can anyone with half a brain believe one word out of this guys mouth? Fucking amazing. And he will get 4 more years.

Goldman Sachs owns the government. They were the president under Reagan, Clinton, Bush and now Obama... no doubt. I can't argue with you there...

He was really shoveling it tonight.

The state of our union is that Barry is in full campaign mode.

Fuck Obama and fuck our government. Give me my fucking medicaid you keep denying me.

SEND ME A BILL AND I'LL SIGN IT TOMORROW!!!!!!

Lots of great soundbytes and "promises", but not much else

LOVED his new proposed bill to make school MANDATORY till you graduate or reach 18, wonder what would oh happened if we had that law for say the last 60 years??? we would have lost a lot of great great people.

-Loki-

I'm not much on politics but it seems that nothing ever gets done with these two parties constantly going back and forth. Doesn't matter which party is in control, everything moves slow and just runs it's natural course.

The biggest problem this country faces is that the Federal Reserve controls the issuance of our currency, as well as interest rates and many other things.

This problem is outside of the 2-party paradigm... the Dems and Repubs can argue back and forth over trivial bullshit all they want, it's not going to help anything as long as the private FED is running the show.

People don't understand this for some reason though, they think it's some sort of joke or conspiracy theory or something. It's a damn shame because it's almost too late to do anything about it, the dollar is being totally destroyed and about to lose it's status as global reserve currency. You think things are bad now just wait until that happens.

Got a notes version

OBAMA: Hi. Hello. Good to see you

OBAMA: Thank you very much.

OBAMA: For the 1st time in 9 years there are no Americans fighting in Iraq.

OBAMA: We delivered justice to Osama Bin Laden

OBAMA: The American Auto industry is back.

OBAMA: I will go anywhere in the world to open new markets for American products

OBAMA: I want workers with the right skills.

OBAMA: Teacher's matter.

OBAMA: Colleges - you are notice. Stop tuition hikes

OBAMA: I have put more boots on the border than ever before.

OBAMA: Right now, American oil production is the highest it's been in 8 years.

OBAMA: We don't have to choose between energy and our environment.

OBAMA: No bailouts. No handouts. No cop outs.

OBAMA: We need to change our tax code.

OBAMA: Our economy is broken.

OBAMA: Washington is broken. You can't blame people for cynicism.

OBAMA: I believe what Abraham Lincoln believed

OBAMA: Anyone who tells you America is in decline DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

OBAMA: God bless you and God bless the United States of America.

there ya go lol

-Loki-

+1

Since it's election time, I'm sure he's going to pull a few rabbits out of his teleprompter ass. It's showtime!

Name some of those great people please...and why would they have been lost?

Same Obama, different day. Class warfare. In his America, blue collar workers are the good guys. White collar workers are the bad guys. Im tired of that shit.

It is the same for both parties though. For republicans the rich are not the rich they are the "job creators" and blue collar guys are okay so long as they don't want to unionize and if they happen to get hurt on the job or by a doctor who fucks up they better not ask for too much money from the courts.

Same shit, different slant. Both sides play the class warfare game they just do it with different ammunition.

srsly???

http://www.angelfire.com/stars4/lists/dropouts.html

http://www.education-reform.net/dropouts.htm (names taken from first link)

some stats from first link:

Total Names: 756

Billionaires: 25
Millionaires: uncounted
U.S. Presidents: 8
Astronauts: 1 (Valentina Tereshkova)
Nobel Prize Winners: 10 (6 Literature, 2 Peace, 1 Physics, 1 Chemistry)
Olympic Medal Winners: 8 (7 Gold Medalists, one Silver Medalist)
Oscar Winners: 63
Oscar Nominees: 105 (includes above)
Other Award Winners: uncounted
Best-Selling Authors: 55
Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients (U.S.'s highest civilian honor): 14
Congressional Gold Medal recipients (U.S.): 12
United Nations Goodwill Ambassadors: 2 (Roger Moore, Angelina Jolie)
Knighthoods: 28
Damehoods: 3

few names for those too lazy to click....

Albert Einstein, John D. Rockefeller Sr, Henry Ford, Walt Disney, Dave Thomas (Wendys) "Colonel" Harlan Sanders (KFC) Thomas Edison.

and the list goes on and on

-Loki-

If these dropouts would have been required to stay in school until they were 18...how would they have been lost? Lost to what?

if you read the links I posted for example, a good number of those people left to school to pursue their 'dreams' THUS leading them to where there are now (or in the case of those who have passed on, where they made it to)

Had they of been "forced" to stay in school till completion they might never had done the things they did with their lives.

"LOST" meaning WE as a world might have LOST what they ended up creating, contributed, improved etc etc.

Last night Obama proposed a new 'LAW' that would make it mandatory for people to stay in school until graduation OR you turn 18.

With every 'law' their are some sort of consequences if you were to break the law, total speculation here, but some consequences for breaking this proposed law could be:

Fines, Juvenal detention, some type of parent or guardian 'spanking' etc etc
What happens to people that break laws when their young and have to face the consequences? do their lives turn over a new leaf? or do they head down a completely, different path, IE trigger a new life, full of more law breaking.

I know such law does NOT exist yet, but it just made me think of all the 'famous' drop-outs there have been over the years, and what would have happened to them had a law like this been around and enforced then.

Just something to think about.

-Loki-

For every action there is a reaction...but I think...in general...requiring kids to stay in school until they graduate or turn 18 is a good thing.

I pretty much agree with you for the most part, but at the same time the traditional schooling is also not for everyone, some people do better learning via other areas, and our history has shown / proven that.

Myself for example, I was at a collage reading level by the time I was 10 or 11 I learned more on my own outside of school then I ever really learned in school, I read EVERYTHING I could get my hands on as a child (yeah I was a geek lol)

I personally LOATH what the public school systems have became these days, my oldest daughter has learned little to nothing that we were taught growing up, I ask her about "simple" things that were drilled into my brain by her age and she's never been taught about it (sorry can't give any solid examples now I'm still half asleep lol)

Today (at least here were I live) there's no daily homework, or even reading assignments, and from what I can tell my she spends most of her time being 'schooled' for tests and little else.

I'd much rather home school her if I had the time, BUT at the same time she needs to be with peers her age to learn the social skills that most people don't get when home schooled, so it's just a catch 22.

Maybe instead of making school totally mandatory, offer an 'early out' exam for those who clearly don't need the X more years of school.

I dunno, like I said I pretty much agree, but just can't see a "need" for another mandatory law put in place in our 'free country' (and who knows if it even would ever fly)

Just hearing that last night got me worked up a bit :error

-Loki-

To the best of my knowledge it is already the law in most...if not all states...though it is apparently not uniformly enforced...as the drop out rate is very high nationally.

assuming they would all of a sudden become useless by staying in school a few more years is pretty ridiculous... there are plenty more people who drudged there way through high school and went on to be just as or even more successful so if anything it proves that it has little affect either way.

lets not forget that a good portion of your list of people went back to university to publish papers and teach. I'm also willing to bet that there isn't one of them that would say that an education is a bad thing either.

I thought this was interesting as it applies to government corruption:

Elected officials can legally own stocks in companies and industries they have a direct impact on through their political decisions? Seriously?

Check this out Chris...

Elizabeth Warren said on the Colbert Report last night that there are some U.S. based corporations spending more money per year lobbying than they pay in taxes.

And it would be any better than a Republican president giving the same speech?

When your apolitical and you watch both sides with the same amount of interest, it's fucking comical. The only goal of a political party these days is to beat the other political party, period. The good of the American people isn't something they are overly concerned with.

:thumbsup

The fact of the matter is kids got to make grades; they've got to knock their fucking brains out to make grades, because when you make the grades you get the diploma, and the diploma is your ticket, you get to ride the merry-go-round. Getting on doesn?t mean you?ll catch the brass ring, no, but it guarantees you the chance to at least try. Maybe you've been successful without a higher education, but the odds are against a person trying to make it without one. And if nothing else, studying for all those tests instills a strong work ethic in a kid.

GM is now the world's leading auto manufacturer. If it was left up to the republicans and their free-market principles this would not be the case. They wanted to hang the auto industry out to dry, possibly killing hundreds of thousands of American jobs in the process. The republicans had no problem bailing out the financial service sector though, which does absolutely nothing except shift money around. You can say that both parties are bought and paid for, but there is clearly a lesser of two evils.

^^ Yup ^^

the state of the union is strong. hope, change, we care about you. god bless the united states of america. pass this bill, pass this bill

:Oh crap Terrible.

Watched it last night. Obama's the man. Watching Boehner and Cantor piss their pants was epic.

Im sure that Oprah was pleased...

You can currently drop out when you turn 15 or 16 with a parents signature, I think he wants to raise that to 18. I didn't hear anything more dramaful than that. But I don't plan to look into it further.

:-) got it