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crockett 12-10-2011 06:39 AM
So I don't keep up with Russian politics...
 
However it seems they are very pissed at Putin. Seems kinda funny because it was only a few years back they praised him like he was the messiah.

Obviously everyone out side Russia already knew Putin was nothing more than a criminal thug. Did the Russians finally figure this out and are mad at him?

Serious question, what was the final tipping point that Russians finally became so anti-Putin? (I mean prior to him rigging this latest election)

just a punk 12-10-2011 07:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18619928)
However it seems they are very pissed at Putin. Seems kinda funny because it was only a few years back they praised him like he was the messiah.
Who are "they"? You can read my posts here made about 7 years back and see that: I never voted for Putin, and I never considered him a good president for my country. The same applies to almost everyone I know here in Russia.

Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18619928)
Obviously everyone out side Russia already knew Putin was nothing more than a criminal thug.
Obviously you didn't know (and don't know now) even a quantum about him. It's the same if I told you that Russians know Obama much better than Americans. Sorry, but it's a pure nonsense.

Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18619928)
Serious question, what was the final tipping point that Russians finally became so anti-Putin? (I mean prior to him rigging this latest election)
There were two points:
1) His chair-exchange with Medvedev (these morons believe they are wise enough to decide it w/o asking us - the Russian citizens)
2) The mass falsification the parliament election results.

I did never say that Russia is a democratic country (because it's just a myth in ANY other country) however even here, the two points mentioned above were too much for us.

Supz 12-10-2011 09:37 AM
Putin runs russia, president or no president. medvedev was his puppet. everyone knows this.

seeandsee 12-10-2011 09:42 AM
Putin dont have evoices like Bush had :)

mromro 12-10-2011 10:05 AM
Let's see , Putin approval rating from 75% down to 50% approval rating. Yeah, Sure seems like he is hated by all the Russians.

Any one of these puppets we have in this country would die to have that kind of rating.

Dopes!

Serge Litehead 12-10-2011 10:22 AM
i used to have hope for russian politics up until point when heard recently putin balloting for a 3rd term with plans to have medvedev as prime minister, it's looking like they can do this switching back and forth indefinitely 'legitimately', additionally they've extended presidency term to 6 years from 4 years, starting with next presidential term.

MaDalton 12-10-2011 12:07 PM
it finally became too obvious that Putin gives a shit what people think or want

he's former high ranking KGB officer, to expect democratic behavior from him would be like expecting a lion to become vegetarian in a slaughterhouse

oscer 12-10-2011 12:13 PM
Although i may like a certain politician i would not want them in for another term ... maybe alot of them think in such a manner

pornmasta 12-10-2011 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18619948)
Obviously you didn't know (and don't know now) even a quantum about him. It's the same if I told you that Russians know Obama much better than Americans. Sorry, but it's a pure nonsense.

Sure, we are used to believe that we are clever as the others...

TheSquealer 12-10-2011 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18619928)
However it seems they are very pissed at Putin. Seems kinda funny because it was only a few years back they praised him like he was the messiah.

Obviously everyone out side Russia already knew Putin was nothing more than a criminal thug. Did the Russians finally figure this out and are mad at him?

Serious question, what was the final tipping point that Russians finally became so anti-Putin? (I mean prior to him rigging this latest election)
How arrogant and idiotic are you to think that "everyone outside Russia" understands what they are talking about?

Dcat 12-10-2011 12:56 PM
I trust the two blog posts here, and here will answer your questions. :thumbsup

I'll also post the spoiler here:

Conclusion

It is quite clear that the National Endowment for Democracy, Freedom House, the Foreign Policy Initiative, and even the US State Department whose new foreign affairs advisory board is full of think-tanks representing overt corporate-financier interests, are not interested in "democracy," "human rights," or "freedom" in Russia, but rather removing the Kremlin out of the way, and reestablishing the parasitic feeding on the Russian people and its economy they enjoyed after the fall of the Soviet Union.

The Kremlin is definitely fighting fire with fire, however they are doing so on their own sovereign soil against foreign-interests disingenuously masquerading behind the ideals of Western civilization. The mobs polluting the streets of Russia, while consisting of well intentioned folks are being led by willful liars who are on record covering up their foreign-funding knowing full well their "legitimacy" will be compromised should it be made public. After what Wall Street and London have done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and in nation after nation as it expands its vast empire, why should any organization taking funds from these people to destabilize and overthrow their own country retain any semblance of legitimacy?

And while NED and other corporate-funded foundations execute this policy of meddling in Russia's affairs, it is Wall Street and London, the largest banking, oil, defense contracting, and industrial interests on earth that are producing the policy. They do so via a network of think-tanks they themselves fund. It is essential that we understand who these corporations are, boycott them out of business, and begin replacing them entirely as a society. If they can meddle and cause chaos in the streets of a large, nuclear armed super power, what threat do they pose to average people, their families, and communities?

porno jew 12-10-2011 01:03 PM
there really is no dictator, tyrant and anti-democratic impulse that you conspiracy kooks wont ally yourself with.

one day you might understand how that came to be. but since you guys seem a bit slow, probably not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18620783)
I trust the two blog posts here, and here will answer your questions. :thumbsup

I'll also post the spoiler here:

Conclusion

It is quite clear that the National Endowment for Democracy, Freedom House, the Foreign Policy Initiative, and even the US State Department whose new foreign affairs advisory board is full of think-tanks representing overt corporate-financier interests, are not interested in "democracy," "human rights," or "freedom" in Russia, but rather removing the Kremlin out of the way, and reestablishing the parasitic feeding on the Russian people and its economy they enjoyed after the fall of the Soviet Union.

The Kremlin is definitely fighting fire with fire, however they are doing so on their own sovereign soil against foreign-interests disingenuously masquerading behind the ideals of Western civilization. The mobs polluting the streets of Russia, while consisting of well intentioned folks are being led by willful liars who are on record covering up their foreign-funding knowing full well their "legitimacy" will be compromised should it be made public. After what Wall Street and London have done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and in nation after nation as it expands its vast empire, why should any organization taking funds from these people to destabilize and overthrow their own country retain any semblance of legitimacy?

And while NED and other corporate-funded foundations execute this policy of meddling in Russia's affairs, it is Wall Street and London, the largest banking, oil, defense contracting, and industrial interests on earth that are producing the policy. They do so via a network of think-tanks they themselves fund. It is essential that we understand who these corporations are, boycott them out of business, and begin replacing them entirely as a society. If they can meddle and cause chaos in the streets of a large, nuclear armed super power, what threat do they pose to average people, their families, and communities?

qwe 12-10-2011 01:34 PM
at least he's not alcoholic like yeltsin was or that american sell out gorbachev.... no new president will make Russia what it can be overnight, it's a long process from all the terrible leadership over the past decade ...

qwe 12-10-2011 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18620824)
Putin was a necessary evil. After the Soviet and later the financial collapse they needed a strong leader to clean that mess up in 2000 as he did a great job. Instead of a hammer, Russia needs a refining file.

They have all the tools to build a great country as the people know this, but they're plagued with horrible corruption like the US was in the 1920's-30's. Matter of fact, this type of gangster mentality is so heavily embedded into the society/culture it's a way of life.

Russia needs a pure statesman at this point, who'll be able to release control on local judicial levels. In short, pay the judges and local law enforcement good money as they clean up all the corruption.

Russia still has the mentality to strip the country resources and get the fuck out of dodge.
agree with that, they also need to concentrate more on the other business type ideas instead of being pure resources/oil/gas... look at USA, they got google,microsoft,apple,etc,etc companies paying major tax money to the government, or Japan with sony, samsung,etc,etc, what does Russia have? All I can think of is a bunch of Vodka brands... they need to also cut the corruption, pay top money to the police/government so people don't need to steal them...

Dcat 12-10-2011 01:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18620793)
there really is no dictator, tyrant and anti-democratic impulse that you conspiracy kooks wont ally yourself with.

one day you might understand how that came to be. but since you guys seem a bit slow, probably not.
What ever that means? :upsidedow

As usual, you make no sense and must resort to name calling to cover your lack of real knowledge and understanding of the subject.

No one said anything about "allying" with a dictator, tyrant, anti-democratic-impulse? Where do you get these things? Putin is a tyrant, sure, but one that the West can't control. That's the difference. Putin is one of the few World leaders with backbone enough to challenge US/UK lawlessness.

The West (read: the globalist elite that run the West from behind the scenes) seem perfectly fine with dictators they install in other countries to do their bidding, but with Putin, he's no puppet. He's gotta go. That's why you see them turning the heat up on him.

porno jew 12-10-2011 02:02 PM
so what is your solution to the problem with putin then? you agree that putin is a tyrant but what should be done with him?

since you think all popular movements are tools of the illuminati how is a population to get rid of a tyrant? educate me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18620856)
What ever that means? :upsidedow

As usual, you make no sense and must resort to name calling to cover your lack of real knowledge and understanding of the subject.

No one said anything about "allying" with a dictator, tyrant, anti-democratic-impulse? Where do you get these things? Putin is a tyrant, sure, but one that the West can't control. That's the difference. Putin is one of the few World leaders with backbone enough to challenge US/UK lawlessness.

The West (read: the globalist elite that run the West from behind the scenes) seem perfectly fine with dictators they install in other countries to do their bidding, but with Putin, he's no puppet. He's gotta go. That's why you see them turning the heat up on him.

Dcat 12-10-2011 02:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18620868)
so what is your solution to the problem with putin then? you agree that putin is a tyrant but what should be done with him?

since you think all popular movements are tools of the illuminati how is a population to get rid of a tyrant? educate me.
Should the issue of "what to do with Putin" not be for the Russian people to decide?

Why does the West need to be meddling in the affairs of a sovereign country anyways?

porno jew 12-10-2011 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18620885)
Should the issue of "what to do with Putin" not be for the Russian people to decide?

Why does the West need to be meddling in the affairs of a sovereign country anyways?
do you think limonov is a puppet of the west?

but since you think every popular uprising is a tool if the illuminati how are people supposed to overthrow a dictator? again, educate my ignorant ass.

Dcat 12-10-2011 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18620878)
Putin can give a flying fuck about the west as he only uses them for failed policies/excuses. He reminds me of the schoolyard bully who'd intimidate/bully other kids for the ball or lunch money. Then when he gets his nose bloodied he runs to the teacher complaining. Russia is nothing more then an onion of hypocrisy and envy.
You do understand that the "failed" policies of the former USSR were the creation of the West right? Who do you think Gorbachev was working for?

Gorbachev is an an agent of the West. In fact, he's in there right now doing what he can..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...elections-void

Dcat 12-10-2011 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18620890)
do you think limonov is a puppet of the west?
Just look who funds Nemtsov and Limonov. It's not hard to figure out.

Dcat 12-10-2011 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18620890)
but since you think every popular uprising is a tool if the illuminati how are people supposed to overthrow a dictator? again, educate my ignorant ass.
Again, why is it our responsibility? Should the Russian people not decide? It's THEIR country.

porno jew 12-10-2011 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18620912)
Just look who funds Nemtsov and Limonov. It's not hard to figure out.
you have little understand how revolutions work, have always worked. of course you would not understand that when you get your information from youtube videos, crank forums and shit blogs.

if you are trying to create a popular revolt in your country you are going to take money and organizational aid for whatever source. does not mean they are "puppets." but complexity and nuance is lost when you have such a basic simplistic worldview such as yours.

porno jew 12-10-2011 02:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18620917)
Again, why is it our responsibility? Should the Russian people not decide? It's THEIR country.
they are deciding right now idiot. get that though your skull.

crockett 12-10-2011 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18620824)
Putin was a necessary evil. After the Soviet and later the financial collapse they needed a strong leader to clean that mess up in 2000 as he did a great job. Instead of a hammer, Russia needs a refining file.

They have all the tools to build a great country as the people know this, but they're plagued with horrible corruption like the US was in the 1920's-30's. Matter of fact, this type of gangster mentality is so heavily embedded into the society/culture it's a way of life.

Russia needs a pure statesman at this point, who'll be able to release control on local judicial levels. In short, pay the judges and local law enforcement good money as they clean up all the corruption.

Russia still has the mentality to strip the country resources and get the fuck out of dodge.
This is kinda how I figure it is.. Putin was the right guy for their country "at the time" however now it's becoming clear to the people of Russia that he has no intentions of stepping to the side.

Personally, I understood it to be a Putin controlled Russia even with Medvedevas as President. To me that whole deal was more like a bullshit move for the cameras. I mean

While they are calling it so called democracy, I see the pair of these guys mainly Putin as nothing more than a dictatorship with out the title. It's just pretty clear he isn't gonna step aside and let anyone take his power away.

Kinda like anyone with a brain understood Dick Cheney was running the show during Bush Jr's first term in the white house.

Dcat 12-10-2011 03:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18620934)
you have little understand how revolutions work, have always worked. of course you would not understand that when you get your information from youtube videos, crank forums and shit blogs.

if you are trying to create a popular revolt in your country you are going to take money and organizational aid for whatever source. does not mean they are "puppets." but complexity and nuance is lost when you have such a basic simplistic worldview such as yours.
NED, Open Russian Foundation, USAID, Golos, NDI, and all these Western NGO's have been created, and are funded for very specific purposes.

Also, it would be wise to consider that "he who provides the money, provides the direction."

Dcat 12-10-2011 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18620941)
Seriously! The USSR and communism was a failed ideology well before Gorbachev came into the scene. Matter of fact, if the USSR wasn't failing prior, you'd never even know who Gorbachev was/is.
Of course, this goes way back.

I mention Gorbachev because he was, and still is the most overt example.

Operator 12-10-2011 03:28 PM
Reading the news is not keeping up with politics. With that said, good comparison to Obama.

porno jew 12-10-2011 03:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18620960)
NED, Open Russian Foundation, USAID, Golos, NDI, and all these Western NGO's have been created, and are funded for very specific purposes.

Also, it would be wise to consider that "he who provides the money, provides the direction."
again, how is a population supposed to overthrow a oppressive government since you think every popular movement is controlled by the new world order?

Dcat 12-10-2011 03:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18620824)
Putin was a necessary evil. After the Soviet and later the financial collapse they needed a strong leader to clean that mess up in 2000 as he did a great job. Instead of a hammer, Russia needs a refining file.

They have all the tools to build a great country as the people know this, but they're plagued with horrible corruption like the US was in the 1920's-30's. Matter of fact, this type of gangster mentality is so heavily embedded into the society/culture it's a way of life.

Russia needs a pure statesman at this point, who'll be able to release control on local judicial levels. In short, pay the judges and local law enforcement good money as they clean up all the corruption.

Russia still has the mentality to strip the country resources and get the fuck out of dodge.
Well said. That is close to my assessment too, but I think at this point in time Putin is still needed for "at least" another term.

It's vitally important that Russia have a strong no-nonsense leader (especially one that excels in international politics like he does) at a time when the West is hell bent on neutralizing Russia as a world power again.

Dcat 12-10-2011 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18620998)
again, how is a population supposed to overthrow a oppressive government since you think every popular movement is controlled by the new world order?
There are many ways, but the absolute first step, is to have a population that understands "who the true enemy is." That happens only with a properly functioning Fourth Estate (news media) that keeps the people informed. Not confused, disoriented, politically ignorant, and dumbed down.

The problem with most popular movements is that they never get their guns focused on the true enemy because they are so grossly mislead by bought and paid for news organizations.

d-null 12-10-2011 04:23 PM

DaddyHalbucks 12-10-2011 05:00 PM
Vladimir Putin became the richest man in Russia through hard work, smart investments, and scrupulous honesty.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformation...7-minister.jpg

porno jew 12-10-2011 05:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18621033)
There are many ways, but the absolute first step, is to have a population that understands "who the true enemy is." That happens only with a properly functioning Fourth Estate (news media) that keeps the people informed. Not confused, disoriented, politically ignorant, and dumbed down.

The problem with most popular movements is that they never get their guns focused on the true enemy because they are so grossly mislead by bought and paid for news organizations.
putin you admit is a tyrant but instead they should aim for the "true enemy." i am confused. who is that? why should they leave putin alone?

also you think the people in the streets of russia are dumbed down idiots and dupes? is that what you are saying?

porno jew 12-10-2011 05:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18621033)
There are many ways, but the absolute first step, is to have a population that understands "who the true enemy is." That happens only with a properly functioning Fourth Estate (news media) that keeps the people informed. Not confused, disoriented, politically ignorant, and dumbed down.

The problem with most popular movements is that they never get their guns focused on the true enemy because they are so grossly mislead by bought and paid for news organizations.
how long should people live under a oppressive regime before they educate themselves with youtube videos to who the true enemy is? what is a appropriate time frame before they are sufficiently educated to your standards to act?

porno jew 12-10-2011 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18621033)

The problem with most popular movements is that they never get their guns focused on the true enemy because they are so grossly mislead by bought and paid for news organizations.
do you think the media in russia is anti-putin an they are inciting the masses against him?

Dcat 12-10-2011 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18621084)
putin you admit is a tyrant but instead they should aim for the "true enemy." i am confused. who is that? why should they leave putin alone?

also you think the people in the streets of russia are dumbed down idiots and dupes? is that what you are saying?

Your question was..

"again, how is a population supposed to overthrow a oppressive government since you think every popular movement is controlled by the new world order?"

I responded in the general sense of a "popular movement," what ever country it may occur in. In the case of Russia, the same thing applies. Exposure is needed. People need to be educated about the criminal machinations of their government, and then to work through their own domestic problems. If a revolution is needed, it should be "Russian" backed popular movements that initiate and run it, not foreign NGO's. The globalist bankers have NO BUSINESS trying to overthrow the governments of sovereign countries.

As for Russians being "dumbed down idiots and dupes" (as you say), they aren't any more purposely dumbed down than you and I are. The elites use media to confuse us. To misdirect, and mislead us to support "their agenda." Right now Russia, Syria, Iran, and China are firmly in their cross-hairs. That's why there is a media storm with these "themes" playing out right now on Western based media outlets. All coordinated, all with the same talking points.

Dcat 12-10-2011 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18621088)
how long should people live under a oppressive regime before they educate themselves with youtube videos to who the true enemy is? what is a appropriate time frame before they are sufficiently educated to your standards to act?
There is no time frame, but would it not be advisable to know "who" to aim at before firing your weapon? If you don't, there is not much chance of hitting your target.

For example, take the Tea Party. It was a popular movement that was co-opted (whole sale) into doing the bidding of the Koch brothers (the elites) inside the Republican party because the Tea Party didn't quite know "who" to put in their cross-hairs. It was purely a grass roots movement that in the end was not politically sophisticated enough to realize all of this. They were taken over and ultimately co-opted by the same people that are trying to meddle now in Russian affairs. These things always come full circle.

Barry-xlovecam 12-10-2011 09:14 PM
#occupyrussia?
 
These guys look serious to me.
And Putin's claims of western intervention -- rubbish.
All the red flags make this look like a home-brewed event.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/201...1210115353.jpg

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/201...36_540x386.jpg

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/201...1210115288.jpg

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/201...31_540x386.jpg
The flares are a nice touch ... We'll see if this has staying power ... The Russian para-military police acted with more restraint than the NYPD! What does that tell you?

There are two classes in Russia the Proletariat and the Bourgeois as there was before the revolution. Come to think of it, really it became the Politburo and the Proletariat under the Communists so I'm not sure what they have in mind. Gold prices and oil prices are inflated to Russia's benefit currently -- no guarantee that this situation will continue long term ...

Dcat 12-10-2011 09:37 PM
Insane McCain, Obama?s Grand Chessboard, and Russia?s Color Revolution

This week, John McCain removed a post on his twitter feed that read, ?Dear Vlad, The #ArabSpring is coming to a neighborhood near you?. McCain?s blatant provocation of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin appeared as a stark admission of US geopolitical meddling in both the Arab World and Russia, and revealed the arrogance with which the US/NATO establishment has pursued its policy of ?Color Revolution? directed towards the member-states and strategic allies of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4...tauntsruss.jpg
Above: John McCain delivers a shocking provocation to Russian PM Vladimir
Putin via Twitter. His post was later removed.

Foreshadowing this latest instigation by McCain was a comment made in mid-February of this year in an interview with CBS?s Face the Nation, in which McCain stated, "These winds of change that are blowing, I think I would be a little less cocky in the Kremlin with my KGB cronies today if I were [Russian Prime Minister] Vladimir Putin. I would be a little less secure in the seaside resort that [Chinese] President Hu and a few men who govern and decide the fate of 1.3 billion people."

continued here..

Just Alex 12-10-2011 09:56 PM
McCain must have been drunk off his wrinkled ass when he wrote that.

JFK 12-10-2011 11:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18620885)
Should the issue of "what to do with Putin" not be for the Russian people to decide?

Why does the West need to be meddling in the affairs of a sovereign country anyways?
They meddle everywhere else, why should Russia be any different ?:2 cents:

just a punk 12-11-2011 12:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Supz (Post 18620528)
Putin runs russia, president or no president. medvedev was his puppet. everyone knows this.
That "everybody" is just clueless then. Surkov (Dudayev) rules Russia. He keeps Putin on a short leash because he and his "friends" from FSB have a TOP of deadly compromising materials on Putin.

Just FYI.

just a punk 12-11-2011 12:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18620941)
Seriously! The USSR and communism was a failed ideology well before Gorbachev came into the scene. Matter of fact, if the USSR wasn't failing prior, you'd never even know who Gorbachev was/is.
The USSR collapse has started about 20-30 years before Gorbachev. As about who has behind him. Andropov was that man who pushed Gorbachev up.

just a punk 12-11-2011 01:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18621158)
Obviously there are nice Russian women, but if there going to mix it up with a foreigner shes got problems. I've met more then a few Americans/Canadians in Russia who've married Russian women and all their marriages are on the rocks or ended in divorce. Nothing wrong with fucking them as they're hot and will fuck on a drop of a dime, literally. They'll chew through you in a blink of an eye. Only Russian men can take that kind of abuse.
Almost everything you told above was right excepting this particular point. Yes, Russian women are not feel obsessed about foreign people (course if they are not prostitutes or conjugal swindlers) Believe me - your American and Canadian friends got exactly that whey were looking for - troubles.

As about a REAL RUSSIAN women, so they are the most devoted ones in the civilized World (I'm not talking about Muslim countries etc).

The Russian woman will easily sacrifice her career because of her husband and kids (I know a lot of such cases). Once again: the most of Russian women are very devoted to they husbands and they don't cheat on them. In a same time as Russian man cheat on their wives too much (sorry to say that).

For example, I'm married on my wife 18 years ago. We are both internet marketers, so we are working at home and see each other almost 24/7 during at least last 10 years. We are still love each other and I can't even imaging her cheating me with another man. I can't imagine her spending a lot of money on herself (she always trying to save money for the family) and I frequently have to insist to make her spending on herself.

I have old parents who need care (you know here in Russia we are helping to our parents instead of pushing them off into a nursing home), and my wife visiting them much often than me (I feel sorry about that because usually I have a lot of work). She's spending a lot of time driving my father to the doctors etc. She's cooking, cleaning etc.

Despite the fact that I have a lot of work at computer, I feel myself like a drone near her. And the same I can say about wives of my friends.

And forgot to add. As most of Russian women, my wife is beautiful. :pimp

just a punk 12-11-2011 01:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18621467)
These guys look serious to me.
And Putin's claims of western intervention -- rubbish.
All the red flags make this look like a home-brewed event.
Oh yeah, the Communist Party has a serious support here. Actually it's getting more popular every year because they are considered as a real opposition to Putin's government. Many people voted for them just because they don't want to vote for the Putin's United Russia. :2 cents:

http://img11.nnm.ru/8/c/c/4/a/7f6b69...3b536_prev.jpg

As about me personally, so I'm not a commie and never been.

d-null 12-11-2011 02:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18621654)
Oh yeah, the Communist Party has a serious support here. Actually it's getting more popular every year because they are considered as a real opposition to Putin's government. Many people voted for them just because they don't want to vote for the Putin's United Russia. :2 cents:

http://img11.nnm.ru/8/c/c/4/a/7f6b69...3b536_prev.jpg

As about me personally, so I'm not a commie and never been.

O MARINA 12-11-2011 08:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18621158)
It actually goes much deeper then that. I'm your Average American with no Russian ethnicity who's spent a lot of time in Russia. I do business on a daily bases with Russians and actually know the culture/people well. Although, I prefer the Ukraine I can easily write a book on an American perspective on Russia or how to do business in Russia.

You have to understand their culture to understand the politics. Prior to 1991 the vast majority of Russians lived in type of serfdom throughout their history. They didn't have any rights as any direction in their lives was laced with a threat to do so. It's still prevalent in their culture today and why they're considered rude/direct/brash.

Anyway, due to their history or lack of democracy, they needed a Putin to transition them into a democracy. Meaning, they could not of transitioned from communism to democracy because the majority of Russians couldn't even grasp the meaning of the word democracy because they didn't have an actual example.

So the real question is - does Putin think the Russian public can truly transition to a full democracy? This guy has made billions and can leave Russia at any time and live like a king anywhere he wants. So why would he want to continue living a political life with an inherited risk? Because he's on an ego trip for power? - I don't think so. I am willing to bet he thinks the Russian people are truly not ready yet. A comparable example is when Roosevelt was elected 4x times as this got us out of the depression.

The People IMO Pros/Cons:

Cons: Due to their past of serfdom/communism? - They're completely obsessed with material things. Everything in the US is cheap comparatively, as Russians take great pride showing what they got, especially the women. It's not uncommon to go to the local market and think a club must of just let out as you can smell the burning envy in the air.

Pros: Contrary to popular belief, Russians in general are not scammers, but the opposite. They are excellent honest hardworking business people who keep things uniquely simple. Ether you can or can NOT do it. They don't mix small talk with smiles and simplify business to the relevancy of turning on/off a light switch. When doing business in Russia they departmentalize everything, smiling or acting too friendly will make them think you're an idiot. Just act like what you're doing is painful, you'll be fine.

Cons: If you're outside the major cities/tourist areas, Russians don't like foreigners and can be very rude and short tempered. You'll need rhino skin if you decide to explore or ask questions/directions on your own. If you mind you're own business and keep your mouth shut, no one will fuck with you walking anywhere. Try that in any major US city.

Pros: Contrary to popular belief, Russians are not raging vodka drinking alcoholics. Matter of fact, 2/3 of the Russians I know don't even drink and the ones who do, it's more like a planed celebration for something and very traditional with a lot of food around.

Cons: Russian women. Trust me when I says this, just stay away from them unless you've been introduced by a friend. Even then, stay away from them. Obviously there are nice Russian women, but if there going to mix it up with a foreigner shes got problems. I've met more then a few Americans/Canadians in Russia who've married Russian women and all their marriages are on the rocks or ended in divorce. Nothing wrong with fucking them as they're hot and will fuck on a drop of a dime, literally. They'll chew through you in a blink of an eye. Only Russian men can take that kind of abuse.

I was going to blog about this anyway, so I thought just expand my reply.


wow
almost accurate, except the women part.

just a punk 12-11-2011 09:06 AM
Almost, because he has overlooked the fact that Russians is one of the most traveling nations over the World now. So many Russians visit other countries and hey can see the examples of "real democracy" by themselves. For example, I've been to the USA and I can say there is much less democracy than we have in totally non-democratic Russia.

P.S> Canada is not in my traveling list however - I'm not a village guy.

qwe 12-11-2011 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18622009)
Almost, because he has overlooked the fact that Russians is one of the most traveling nations over the World now. So many Russians visit other countries and hey can see the examples of "real democracy" by themselves. For example, I've been to the USA and I can say there is much less democracy than we have in totally non-democratic Russia.

P.S> Canada is not in my traveling list however - I'm not a village guy.
how is it a village exactly ?

O MARINA 12-11-2011 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18621651)
Almost everything you told above was right excepting this particular point. Yes, Russian women are not feel obsessed about foreign people (course if they are not prostitutes or conjugal swindlers) Believe me - your American and Canadian friends got exactly that whey were looking for - troubles.

As about a REAL RUSSIAN women, so they are the most devoted ones in the civilized World (I'm not talking about Muslim countries etc).

The Russian woman will easily sacrifice her career because of her husband and kids (I know a lot of such cases). Once again: the most of Russian women are very devoted to they husbands and they don't cheat on them. In a same time as Russian man cheat on their wives too much (sorry to say that).

For example, I'm married on my wife 18 years ago. We are both internet marketers, so we are working at home and see each other almost 24/7 during at least last 10 years. We are still love each other and I can't even imaging her cheating me with another man. I can't imagine her spending a lot of money on herself (she always trying to save money for the family) and I frequently have to insist to make her spending on herself.

I have old parents who need care (you know here in Russia we are helping to our parents instead of pushing them off into a nursing home), and my wife visiting them much often than me (I feel sorry about that because usually I have a lot of work). She's spending a lot of time driving my father to the doctors etc. She's cooking, cleaning etc.

Despite the fact that I have a lot of work at computer, I feel myself like a drone near her. And the same I can say about wives of my friends.

And forgot to add. As most of Russian women, my wife is beautiful. :pimp


Also - your post here is very right on. :thumbsup
Can't explain what you have lived to different cultures but I understand what you tried to explain. Values don't change. I know many loyal women like that who live here in Canada (20+ years) from my parents generations and they continue to live the same way. (Taking care of elders, don't spend on themselves).


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