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RomaJim01 02-02-2003 11:55 PM

(spam) Bulletproof Hosting Available
 
I've seen a lot of posts lately about mailing, chat bots, etc. As you probably are aware the most difficult part of a bulk campaign is the hosting. We currently have four openings for our bulletproof hosting.

This is only for responsible mailers, you MUST honor all removes. You must use our remove link in all mail. We provide a daily update of our remove database that you must scrub your list against. If any complaints come in from someone on the remove list you will be terminated.

If you are a responsible mailer then you will have no problems. We have had no down time in the last year. That's because we process remove requests.

I'm available on AIM if you are interested. RomaJim01. Or you can e-mail me at romajim @ A O L.com

RomaJim01 02-02-2003 11:56 PM

We also have mailing programs available and can supply you with blind and open relays. Relays are mailed to you twice a day every day.

mike503 02-02-2003 11:59 PM

haven't people learned yet.

a) there's nothing "bulletproof" unless it's unplugged.
b) peddle your illegal/stupid/annoying shit somewhere else, i hope you die a painful death, preferrably be a pack of rabid dogs.

funny how this guy says A O L so spambots won't pick up his email address. fucking hypocrite.

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RomaJim01 02-03-2003 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503
haven't people learned yet.

a) there's nothing "bulletproof" unless it's unplugged.
b) peddle your illegal/stupid/annoying shit somewhere else, i hope you die a painful death, preferrably be a pack of rabid dogs.

funny how this guy says A O L so spambots won't pick up his email address. fucking hypocrite.


Bulk mailing is not illegal first off. Second off, I promote responsible mailing only. Anyone that we host must use our remove link and must scrub their list daily against the removes. We have NEVER had the same person complain twice.

I would think that people who bitch about spam would be thankful for responsible mailers.

mike503 02-03-2003 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RomaJim01



Bulk mailing is not illegal first off. Second off, I promote responsible mailing only. Anyone that we host must use our remove link and must scrub their list daily against the removes. We have NEVER had the same person complain twice.

I would think that people who bitch about spam would be thankful for responsible mailers.

there's no such thing as responsible spamming (or mailing) anymore. you know how many emails i get per day claiming i "opted in" ? even some with remove headers? please.

if it was so responsible and reputable you wouldn't be marketing it as bulletproof. if you're sending shit to people who honestly opted in for those offers, they would have zero problem receiving the emails.

so piss off.

RomaJim01 02-03-2003 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503


there's no such thing as responsible spamming (or mailing) anymore. you know how many emails i get per day claiming i "opted in" ? even some with remove headers? please.

if it was so responsible and reputable you wouldn't be marketing it as bulletproof. if you're sending shit to people who honestly opted in for those offers, they would have zero problem receiving the emails.

so piss off.


I'm not claiming anyone opted into anything. What we do provide is a method to permanently opt out. Anyone we host must use our opt-out remove list or they are terminated. If all hosts that allowed mailing had a similar policy then the spam in your mailbox would decrease significantly.

mike503 02-03-2003 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RomaJim01



I'm not claiming anyone opted into anything. What we do provide is a method to permanently opt out. Anyone we host must use our opt-out remove list or they are terminated. If all hosts that allowed mailing had a similar policy then the spam in your mailbox would decrease significantly.

thank you captain obvious. but they don't, and i'm sure you are very rigorous at enforcing those rules. since everyone knows it's literally useless to opt out, you don't have much to worry about.

your business promotes spamming. whether you want to call it responsible or not.

that's like saying "we allow sex with underage girls but in a controlled atmosphere, we make sure she isn't crying afterwards"

DavePlays 02-03-2003 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RomaJim01



I'm not claiming anyone opted into anything. What we do provide is a method to permanently opt out. Anyone we host must use our opt-out remove list or they are terminated. If all hosts that allowed mailing had a similar policy then the spam in your mailbox would decrease significantly.


If you allow some pig fucker to spam anyone - kids and grand mothers included with shit like "Midget Sluts Caught Fucking Horses"... I'm with the guy that wishes you'd fall off the face of the planet.

:321GFY

RomaJim01 02-03-2003 12:47 AM

Honestly, I can understand your cynicism. Many people do opt out. Spamcop e-mails are also placed on the removes and you can request entire domains to be removed. We have had no downtime for a year now and have not been blacklisted because we strictly enfore these rules.

mike503 02-03-2003 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavePlays



If you allow some pig fucker to spam anyone - kids and grand mothers included with shit like "Midget Sluts Caught Fucking Horses"... I'm with the guy that wishes you'd fall off the face of the planet.

:321GFY

you didn't listen to his pitch though... he says they'll make sure those kids and grannies have a way to opt out and will never receive email again from that sender. they're really cleaning up the whole internet spam email mess! go team romajim! </sarcasm>

mrbling 02-03-2003 12:48 AM

rona,
good offer,

I'll be the first one on your service to send out 20 million emails out , over 50% are dupes so each of those victims will be getting 7-8 emails a piece of the same emails.

thank you.

DavePlays 02-03-2003 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503


you didn't listen to his pitch though... he says they'll make sure those kids and grannies have a way to opt out and will never receive email again from that sender. they're really cleaning up the whole internet spam email mess! go team romajim! </sarcasm>


FUCK THAT - My 12 year old daughter should never have to opt-out to begin with - nor should she ever have to see such a thing in the subject line either. - Midgets fucking horses -

that's like saying it's ok to beat me until I ask you to stop.

:321GFY :321GFY :321GFY

Rocky 02-03-2003 12:52 AM

opting out only verifies your email account, which in turn creates even MORE spam

spamming sucks

:321GFY

funkmaster 02-03-2003 12:53 AM

"Second off, I promote responsible mailing only."

... so why is a "bulletproof" hosting required ?

RomaJim01 02-03-2003 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rocky
opting out only verifies your email account, which in turn creates even MORE spam

spamming sucks

:321GFY


Not true with us. Think about it, why would I want an anti to receive mail? If you aren't going to buy and it's going to piss you off then why the hell would I want to continue mailing you?

DavePlays 02-03-2003 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by funkmaster
"Second off, I promote responsible mailing only."

... so why is a "bulletproof" hosting required ?


Maybe he's taking about it being able to take a shot gun blast?


:winkwink:

RomaJim01 02-03-2003 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by funkmaster
"Second off, I promote responsible mailing only."

... so why is a "bulletproof" hosting required ?

"Bulletproof" means that the server stays up and does not get blacklisted. Most hosts won't let you mail at all. We allow mailing as long as you scrub with our master remove list.

mrbling 02-03-2003 12:56 AM

1) 12 year olds should not be reading email without supervision

2) the internet is not for kids.

3) be a better parent and parent your dumb kids.

DavePlays 02-03-2003 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RomaJim01



Not true with us. Think about it, why would I want an anti to receive mail? If you aren't going to buy and it's going to piss you off then why the hell would I want to continue mailing you?


DUDE..... Spam, Consoles, Dialers, Home Page Changes....

When the hell did pissing someone off stop them from trying to make a buck BY PISSING PEOPLE OFF ??

DavePlays 02-03-2003 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrbling
1) 12 year olds should not be reading email without supervision

Sorry pal - this is the real world - kids are on computers other than the one at home now days, they get this shit at schools, libraries, friends houses...

2) the internet is not for kids.

That just too stupid a remark to reply to.

3) be a better parent and parent your dumb kids.
That's a little personal - but considering the source - I'll just assume that's the best defence you can come up with....

mike503 02-03-2003 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavePlays



FUCK THAT - My 12 year old daughter should never have to opt-out to begin with - nor should she ever have to see such a thing in the subject line either. - Midgets fucking horses -

that's like saying it's ok to beat me until I ask you to stop.

:321GFY :321GFY :321GFY

i know, i hope you sensed my sarcasm :)

apaprently my &lt;/sarcasm&gt; thing didn't work the first time. oh well.

Rocky 02-03-2003 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RomaJim01



Not true with us. Think about it, why would I want an anti to receive mail? If you aren't going to buy and it's going to piss you off then why the hell would I want to continue mailing you?

Why?

Because then you can sell that valid email address to someone else!

Unless of course the spammer is using a tag within the coding of the email that points to their computer with a reference number that relates to your email address. When your web browser or email software opens your email (even in the preview pane in Outlook) it tries to access this link, and hey presto the spammers know you opened their email and will send you more!

DavePlays 02-03-2003 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503


i know, i hope you sensed my sarcasm :)

apaprently my &lt;/sarcasm&gt; thing didn't work the first time. oh well.


Yes... I see now.

Very good :thumbsup

mike503 02-03-2003 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RomaJim01


"Bulletproof" means that the server stays up and does not get blacklisted. Most hosts won't let you mail at all. We allow mailing as long as you scrub with our master remove list.

no, "bulletproof" means that it's supposed to be able to withstand attacks and aggression from people pissed off that you're aiding spammers. don't try to play us for a fool, i haven't been on this board for months regularly and when i left we had at least one idiot per week come on promoting his bullshit help-a-spammer-out "bulletproof" hosting.

BluMedia 02-03-2003 01:12 AM

I don't have to big of a problem with spam it is the bullshit in my snail mail box, on my font door and on my garage door that pisses me off.

Mark

RomaJim01 02-03-2003 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BluMedia
I don't have to big of a problem with spam it is the bullshit in my snail mail box, on my font door and on my garage door that pisses me off.

Mark

I agree totally. How many CD's did AOL send out? And then they have the balls to bitch about e-mailing?

BluMedia 02-03-2003 01:34 AM

Did you ever hear about those 2 guys in California they were collecting aol cd's from around the world? They got a couple million of them and send everyone to aol. Now is spam worse or aol? At least spam you can delete right away, I can just see the millions of cd's sent out that were wasted. I have had an aol account for years but still get those fucking cd's every month.

DavePlays 02-03-2003 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RomaJim01


I agree totally. How many CD's did AOL send out? And then they have the balls to bitch about e-mailing?

Right...

how many AOL CDs have you got with MIDGETS SUCKING HORSE COCK written on the outside of the envelope?

get real

Kick Ass Chat 02-03-2003 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavePlays


Right...

how many AOL CDs have you got with MIDGETS SUCKING HORSE COCK written on the outside of the envelope?

get real

AOL is not sending out Porn and other adult related crap to a place where kids can see it openly. Also when you get your mail and are walking inside, if you just got some crap you don't want, just drop it in the trash can...Simple. Snail spam is no comparassion to email spam..

mike503 02-03-2003 01:59 AM

spamming is also growing, isn't regulated and is hardly accountable. people can get some snail mail shit shut off, spammers just use opt out policies to send even more spam since they know the user is active.

fuck that.

perfect point on the aol cd's too, they're not shoving down identifiable tracking numbers so they know you're alive, they're not sending you mail with "THIS CHICK LOVES EATING SHIT AND SUCKING YOUR FUCKING HOT LOAD" etc.

i hate snail mail spam too, but i hardly get any (i don't have anything registered to a normal address, only a po box which helps act as a "firewall" of sorts)

but spamming? more people join the crusade each day because it's cheap and anonymous. you don't see shitpots of people deciding one day they're starting a snail mail spam campaign, because even at discounted rates you have to pay per piece of mail you send, with spamming you don't have to pay shit. a million messages costs the same as a single one.

Hooper 02-03-2003 02:16 AM

Quote:

how many AOL CDs have you got with MIDGETS SUCKING HORSE COCK written on the outside of the envelope?
What business are you in?

Oh yeah. Net porn.

Almost forgot for a minute there.

I'll one up this guy though... free landing pages for every quickbuck affiliate. Contact me for more info :-)

nike 02-03-2003 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DavePlays

FUCK THAT - My 12 year old daughter should never have to opt-out to begin with - nor should she ever have to see such a thing in the subject line either. - Midgets fucking horses

:321GFY :321GFY :321GFY

...sorry about that.

Pornwolf 02-03-2003 05:24 AM

MIDGETS SUCKING HORSE COCK? Really? I'd like to see this. Someone send the link to my e-mail please.

snowball179 02-03-2003 05:46 AM

Funny how you bitch about porn spam that children gets...but on the other hand, you do free porn sites that everyone can see, even kids.

Bravo! :thumbsup

HoneyBlond 02-03-2003 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503

spammers just use opt out policies to send even more spam since they know the user is active.



UUMmm..
I 'm not sure I agree with this theroy, mainly 'cause it just doesn't make sense.

If you have a mailing list and someone chooses to "opt out" of said list, I believe it is far easier and logical to simply remove them, as opposed to wasting time, resourses and risking the potential grief of a complaint ( from hosting, spews etc ) by sending more marketing they have requested not to receive ??

Nah!! Surely this is another of those Urban Porn Myths ??


:winkwink:

FATPad 02-03-2003 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper


What business are you in?

Oh yeah. Net porn.

Almost forgot for a minute there.

I'll one up this guy though... free landing pages for every quickbuck affiliate. Contact me for more info :-)

What does his being in net porn have to do with AOL not sending out sexually explicit material to 12 year olds like spammers do?

the indigo 02-03-2003 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by snowball179
Funny how you bitch about porn spam that children gets...but on the other hand, you do free porn sites that everyone can see, even kids.

Bravo! :thumbsup

Uh not really.

In one case, you get the fucking email right in the face. Your children can access them easily.

In the second case, you have to SEARCH for the site. I don't remember seeing a guy spamming his TGP in public emails.

Anyone thinking spam is good is an idiot. I was one of them 3 years ago when I was a newbie. After sending 10,000 emails, I received like 10 emails from dads and mom crying at me for sending porn (legal porn). I felt really bad and won't do this ever again. That was stupid and still is.

the indigo 02-03-2003 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HoneyBlond



UUMmm..
I 'm not sure I agree with this theroy, mainly 'cause it just doesn't make sense.

If you have a mailing list and someone chooses to "opt out" of said list, I believe it is far easier and logical to simply remove them, as opposed to wasting time, resourses and risking the potential grief of a complaint ( from hosting, spews etc ) by sending more marketing they have requested not to receive ??

Nah!! Surely this is another of those Urban Porn Myths ??


:winkwink:

Already said that in that case, you transfer the email directly in another list that you can sell.... DUH I'm Bart Simpson. If you can spam, you can fuck other people by selling bs email lists.

rm\/ 02-03-2003 08:39 AM

Wow this guy is expensive.
if you need BP hosting hit me up...

$400/week. Unlimited Space+Bandwith

Your must process remove list at least once a week so people dont bitch too much.
And you pay weekly so you wont be scared i'll run off with all your money. I've been up for months with downtime last year cause we had to install more ram..

So ICQ me 309458995

RomaJim01 02-03-2003 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HoneyBlond



UUMmm..
I 'm not sure I agree with this theroy, mainly 'cause it just doesn't make sense.

If you have a mailing list and someone chooses to "opt out" of said list, I believe it is far easier and logical to simply remove them, as opposed to wasting time, resourses and risking the potential grief of a complaint ( from hosting, spews etc ) by sending more marketing they have requested not to receive ??

Nah!! Surely this is another of those Urban Porn Myths ??


:winkwink:

My point exactly. Anyone who mails responsibly has no interest in getting the heat.

RomaJim01 02-03-2003 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by the indigo


Already said that in that case, you transfer the email directly in another list that you can sell.... DUH I'm Bart Simpson. If you can spam, you can fuck other people by selling bs email lists.


And if I sold you a mailing list full of removes don't you think that you would generate so many complaints that you would be immediately shut down? Wouldn't that piss off my customer who bought my list? Wouldn't they probably want their money back? Once again, doesn't make sense for me to do that.

Then again, I spam so I must have no scruples. By your logic, because I spam then I must have no problem ripping people off. Bullshit.

Sasha18 02-03-2003 09:34 AM

" $400/week. Unlimited Space+Bandwith " :eyecrazy


lol

maybe i offer for 100$ a week

RomaJim01 02-03-2003 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rm\/
Wow this guy is expensive.
if you need BP hosting hit me up...

$400/week. Unlimited Space+Bandwith

Your must process remove list at least once a week so people dont bitch too much.
And you pay weekly so you wont be scared i'll run off with all your money. I've been up for months with downtime last year cause we had to install more ram..

So ICQ me 309458995

Expensive? This is coming from a guy who charges $4,000 for his mailing program upfront plus another $400 per month????

We have always charged weekly for our hosting and we guarantee we will keep your site up. In fact, we'll give you a full refund if we don't.

RomaJim01 02-03-2003 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sasha18
" $400/week. Unlimited Space+Bandwith " :eyecrazy


lol

maybe i offer for 100$ a week

You offer hosting now? I thought you were begging someone to host you a few weeks back. LOL, anyone who really wants hosting for bulk mail should stick with people who know how to get it done.

picpile 02-03-2003 02:10 PM

You say responsible mailing but you mail through other peoples proxies and relays. this type of mailing is illegal.

Don't come off as a god when you are no better then the rest of the free for all spammers.

RomaJim01 02-03-2003 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by picpile
You say responsible mailing but you mail through other peoples proxies and relays. this type of mailing is illegal.

Don't come off as a god when you are no better then the rest of the free for all spammers.

Sorry you feel that way.

Backov 02-03-2003 02:21 PM

I'm glad to see there are some people giving these cockholsters shit.

Responsible mailing. Ya. Let's address some of your points, cockholster.

"And if I sold you a mailing list full of removes don't you think that you would generate so many complaints that you would be immediately shut down? Wouldn't that piss off my customer who bought my list? Wouldn't they probably want their money back?"

Since when do spammers care about pissing people off? You've got their money, now they can fuck off.

Where do your spammers send their spam through? Let's see, what are the options.. Formmail abuse. Abusing open relays, abusing open proxies. And the most modern version - using trojans on peoples cable and DSL modems. Or are your mailers mailing from a hosting account that they paid for through their own SMTP server? Please tell us, we're dying to hear your answer.

You fucking spammers should be taken out and shot, and it's my prediction that it will start happenning soon. You fuckers aren't as anonymous as you think.

You're a bunch of thieving, scamming, desperate little lowlives, and the sooner your kind is removed from our industry, the better off all of us will be.

Now fuck off and die, please.

xxxcam 02-03-2003 03:55 PM

FUCK THAT - My 12 year old daughter should never have to opt-out to begin with - nor should she ever have to see such a thing in the subject line either. - Midgets fucking horses -

that's like saying it's ok to beat me until I ask you to stop.
-----------------

ok, but your 12 years old daughter should not have her own email account in the first place which is not suprevised.... your argument is weak...


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