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TheSenator 10-21-2011 07:04 AM
Whitehouse Victory Over Khadafy's Reign
 
Sipping on my latte and reading the morning news.

Not one American soldier killed!

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President Obama yesterday celebrated the end of Moammar Khadafy?s brutal, 42-year reign, saying the ?dark shadow of tyranny has been lifted? from Libya?s people -- while claiming vindication of his own policies.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/interna...#ixzz1bQPEzHPv

Sly 10-21-2011 07:14 AM
Claiming minimal involvement. Check.

Claiming victory. Check.

Getting away with it. Check.

TheSenator 10-21-2011 07:15 AM
Waiting for the "spin"....

vdbucks 10-21-2011 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 18506269)
Sipping on my latte and reading the morning news.

Not one American soldier killed!

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President Obama yesterday celebrated the end of Moammar Khadafy?s brutal, 42-year reign, saying the ?dark shadow of tyranny has been lifted? from Libya?s people -- while claiming vindication of his own policies.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/interna...#ixzz1bQPEzHPv
If you consider replacing one dictatorship for another then sure...

sperbonzo 10-21-2011 07:28 AM
Of course, the fact that he has now established a precedent whereby a president can have US warplanes bomb another country for 7 months without any vote in congress at all, I'm sure you will all enjoy it when a Republican president does the same thing..... now that he will be able to point to this campaign and say it's ok for him to do also....



What I learned is that allowing "your guy" to wield more power, then allows "the other guy" that same power when their turn comes around, and it just keeps on growing, and growing. It's like the killing of Anwar Awlaki. Sounds great except eventually it will be ok for future presidents to decide that if an american blogs something in support of a point of view that the administration doesn't like, they can deem it a terrorist act, and with no trial, simply kill him.

This stuff just keeps growing. Don't be upset when the next Republican president says that it's ok to start bombing Iran, or Korea, or Cuba for a year, without congress, or you, having any say in it at all.


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vdbucks 10-21-2011 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18506320)
Of course, the fact that he has now established a precedent whereby a president can have US warplanes bomb another country for 7 months without any vote in congress at all, I'm sure you will all enjoy it when a Republican president does the same thing..... now that he will be able to point to this campaign and say it's ok for him to do also....



What I learned is that allowing "your guy" to wield more power, then allows "the other guy" that same power when their turn comes around, and it just keeps on growing, and growing. It's like the killing of Anwar Awlaki. Sounds great except eventually it will be ok for future presidents to decide that if an american blogs something in support of a point of view that the administration doesn't like, they can deem it a terrorist act, and with no trial, simply kill him.

This stuff just keeps growing. Don't be upset when the next Republican president says that it's ok to start bombing Iran, or Korea, or Cuba for a year, without congress, or you, having any say in it at all.
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Man.. when are people going to realize that politics isn't ever truly about one side vs the other? It's just a ploy to keep people such as yourself confused as to what's really going on...

It's sad really...

The Demon 10-21-2011 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 18506358)
Man.. when are people going to realize that politics isn't ever truly about one side vs the other? It's just a ploy to keep people such as yourself confused as to what's really going on...

It's sad really...
Man, when are you going to realize that you're neither unique nor enlightened, but part of the insecure internet forum crowd that calls bullshit on everything, and makes posts like yours to make themselves feel intelligent, special, and different?

TheSquealer 10-21-2011 07:54 AM
This is comical. You have zero clue what is going to happen there in the next few months. Could be the bloodiest civil war in the history of the middle east. Could be the new home to Al Queda... could be nothing. Riling the rabble to murder their own leadership doesn't guarantee a solid future... Anymore than killing Saddam meant everyone would automatically embrace democracy and western ideas.

TheSenator 10-21-2011 07:56 AM
Just finished rubbing Patchouli on my dry elbows. My black friend recommends coco butter but I hate the way coco butter smells.

sperbonzo 10-21-2011 07:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 18506358)
Man.. when are people going to realize that politics isn't ever truly about one side vs the other? It's just a ploy to keep people such as yourself confused as to what's really going on...

It's sad really...

Ummmmmm...... THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT HERE!! How did you miss that in my post?


Which is why I'm not for either party, and I'm a libertarian.


.:2 cents:

Rochard 10-21-2011 08:00 AM
I don't really consider this an American victory. Oddly enough, it seems to be a French victory. The French were the first in, flew the most fights, dropped the most weapons, and even ran 80% of the helicopter flights involved.

BIGTYMER 10-21-2011 08:00 AM
War machine. Who will it target next? Iran?

TheSenator 10-21-2011 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18506399)
Ummmmmm...... THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT HERE!! How did you miss that in my post?


Which is why I'm not for either party, and I'm a libertarian.


.:2 cents:
Libertarian = Libertarian Republican

vdbucks 10-21-2011 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18506369)
Man, when are you going to realize that you're neither unique nor enlightened, but part of the insecure internet forum crowd that calls bullshit on everything, and makes posts like yours to make themselves feel intelligent, special, and different?
You sound bitter.. might it be because you're still distracted and confused?

The Demon 10-21-2011 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 18506444)
You sound bitter.. might it be because you're still distracted and confused?
Quote:
Man.. when are people going to realize that politics isn't ever truly about one side vs the other? It's just a ploy to keep people such as yourself confused as to what's really going on...

It's sad really...
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sperbonzo 10-21-2011 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 18506412)
Libertarian = Libertarian Republican
Whatever..... but did you read my first post? Did it make any impression on you at all?


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TheSenator 10-21-2011 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18506460)
Whatever..... but did you read my first post? Did it make any impression on you at all?


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I am working on the gay agenda. I'll have one of my servants read out loud this thread.

Barry-xlovecam 10-21-2011 08:52 AM
Leon Panetta has done a masterful job as Secretary of Defense so far. Best thing his predecessor Robert Gates did was to retire. Gates' predecessor Donald H. Rumsfeld at least had the brains to resign -- that man was a liar and a political hack.

Interesting point is; Leon Panetta's Defense Department has been able to target and kill so many enemies of America so quickly and in so little time -- what's up with that?

The neo-cons want to prolong wars and enrich themselves incurring public debt in their wake ... There's your answer ...

Sly 10-21-2011 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18506551)
Leon Panetta has done a masterful job as Secretary of Defense so far. Best thing his predecessor Robert Gates did was to retire. Gates' predecessor Donald H. Rumsfeld at least had the brains to resign -- that man was a liar and a political hack.

Interesting point is; Leon Panetta's Defense Department has been able to target and kill so many enemies of America so quickly and in so little time -- what's up with that?

The neo-cons want to prolong wars and enrich themselves incurring public debt in their wake ... There's your answer ...
One man uprooted a major department, probably the biggest, and totally changed their way of thinking and missions within four months? He must have the Midas Touch.

The Demon 10-21-2011 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18506551)

The neo-cons want to prolong wars and enrich themselves incurring public debt in their wake ... There's your answer ...
Weird. You should really look at how much the current administration spent on the war versus Bush, and then not type anymore. But I love your idiotic and misleading post. Also, great rationalization.

Barry-xlovecam 10-21-2011 09:03 AM
Bush was a jack-ass.

Barry-xlovecam 10-21-2011 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18506568)
One man uprooted a major department, probably the biggest, and totally changed their way of thinking and missions within four months? He must have the Midas Touch.
Well, fact is this happened so mysteriously. Yeah, this is a bureaucratic nightmare -- I would agree. However, they say a new broom sweeps clean ...

TheDoc 10-21-2011 09:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18506320)
Of course, the fact that he has now established a precedent whereby a president can have US warplanes bomb another country for 7 months without any vote in congress at all, I'm sure you will all enjoy it when a Republican president does the same thing..... now that he will be able to point to this campaign and say it's ok for him to do also....



What I learned is that allowing "your guy" to wield more power, then allows "the other guy" that same power when their turn comes around, and it just keeps on growing, and growing. It's like the killing of Anwar Awlaki. Sounds great except eventually it will be ok for future presidents to decide that if an american blogs something in support of a point of view that the administration doesn't like, they can deem it a terrorist act, and with no trial, simply kill him.

This stuff just keeps growing. Don't be upset when the next Republican president says that it's ok to start bombing Iran, or Korea, or Cuba for a year, without congress, or you, having any say in it at all.


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If it's a U.N. mission and meets the U.N. guidelines, then the President can do exactly what he did. It's pre-approved by Congress and the funding for it too, and Obama did give notice, which is all he has to do, by law.

A Republican president has done the same thing, many of them.

Barry-xlovecam 10-21-2011 09:15 AM
OK, the real story goes deeper ...

When Gates had his confirmation hearings as Secretary for Defense I was contacted by a US Senator's office (a senior Armed Services Committee member) as to what questions I would suggest the Senator, a Democrat BTW, put to Mr. Gates ...

I suggested several pointed questions that would have exposed Mr. Gates' inadequacies for the appointment along with the recommendation that the Senator vote against the appointment -- he did not do so.

Result -- we got years of do-nothing bullshit. Perhaps, that was the intended goal?

Barry-xlovecam 10-21-2011 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18506585)
Bush was a jack-ass.
I forgot to add; If you defend a jack-ass what does that make you?

sperbonzo 10-21-2011 09:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18506616)
If it's a U.N. mission and meets the U.N. guidelines, then the President can do exactly what he did. It's pre-approved by Congress and the funding for it too, and Obama did give notice, which is all he has to do, by law.

A Republican president has done the same thing, many of them.
First of all, what the UN says has ABSOLUTELY no bearing on our constitution, and god forbid it ever does. There is no provision there that says that if other countries join in, the president can act without congressional approval. Please show me the cite, if you disagree.

Secondly, by law, there must be shown a clear and present danger to the US, and the time in which he has to act, even with that, is limited, I believe, to 90 days.

Thirdly, I don't approve of any president doing it Rep, or Dem, and this 7 months of bombing has REALLY pushed the precedent out to a very wide envelope. The point of my post is that we are granting the executive office WAY too much power, and it's going to bite us in the ass, very very soon.



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Barry-xlovecam 10-21-2011 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18506658)
[T]hirdly, I don't approve of any president doing it Rep, or Dem, and this 7 months of bombing has REALLY pushed the precedent out to a very wide envelope. The point of my post is that we are granting the executive office WAY too much power, and it's going to bite us in the ass, very very soon.
We, i.e.; the Congress, allowed the last president to go to war "with the axis of evil (did that also include Darth Vader?)" more specifically -- Iraq. Apart from the accumulation 100's of billions of dollars in public debt -- what was accomplished?

It made the world safe for democracy? Heard that bullshit from Johnson and Nixon in my youth ...

sperbonzo 10-21-2011 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18506682)
We, i.e.; the Congress, allowed the last president to go to war "with the axis of evil (did that also include Darth Vader?)" more specifically -- Iraq. Apart from the accumulation 100's of billions of dollars in public debt -- what was accomplished?

It made the world safe for democracy? Heard that bullshit from Johnson and Nixon in my youth ...
I agree with you..... AT LEAST, we had the ability to lobby our congress people, one way or the other, even if the choice was a bad one. If the Executive branch acts unilaterally, then there's F all we can do about it.


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Slappin Fish 10-21-2011 09:58 AM
Funny that what was billed a French and British war with minimal American involvement is now an American victory :2 cents:

The Demon 10-21-2011 10:00 AM
Whatever helps the left get out of the wtfpwnage predicament they are currently in.


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