Noobs are FUCKED!!!
 

I think that anyone that wants to get into this biz now for the very first time has
no chance of making any decent money if they come into this with less the 20k to invest.

I'm not talking about a new pay site either.
I'm saying that a serious noob needs this just to get a decent free site started that
will make any kind of money.

I figure between buying scripts, custom programming and design, content, proper hosting
and buying traffic; the serious noob is going to have to spend at least this much.

What do you think?

I think you are right :)

I think they have no chance. Hell, many big affiliates that used to send to programs are making peanuts now. They either didn't, or couldn't evolve and lost their foothold. Some made the switch to the new free model. Many did not.

If you're not going to just flat out steal and monetize content in the new web's way, you don't have much of a chance any more as a noob.

most of my site stats are climbing each day from blogs that i have just set up but ive been in mainstream for a long time which helps allot im going to carry on with my blogs and see what happens i don't expect to make mega money doing it more as a hobby know

I'm trying not to think...

And you've done a great job of it too.


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Speaking as a noob :winkwink: I didn't have any expectations of making a living off of adult when I started about six months ago but I think it's still viable as a means of making a bit of side income. Sales are indeed few and far in between but I have made enough to cover my hosting costs and what I spent on scripts, etc so it's all gravy from here on out.

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Okay, so how does this post help, or are you just stating the obv

I asked "what do you think"; which gave you a full opportunity to post what ever
it is that would help.

But you didn't post anything except a useless whine.

:2 cents:

The depressing thing is that even if they make it now ten years ago you could probably multiply whatever they make now by either 10 or 100 and that is what they would have made around 1999 with the same effort. There is still money here but it's not as easy to get at.

i wish you are right ... but true there is not much newbies with something new adult business related in their sigs ... :2 cents:

epic fail...

I'm new to the biz (for about 3 months now) and I'm doing very well...

Just use your brain and work your pants off... the rest is coming by itself :1orglaugh

thats bullshit, it was never as easy to make $ as it is now :)

Good. Who gives a shit about noobs?

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What I think? I think you're frustrated and just yanked some random figure out of your ass.

There's a good chance that someone investing $20K on a free site (which would be a batshit insane move for 99% of the people here - figure pulled out out of MY ass) is going to lose more money than someone who invests nothing in a free site.

You don't have to pay more money, you just have to be smarter. Write down notes about every site you visit. When it comes time to create your new site, review your notes. Do not do anything that any site you've ever visited has done.

You'll need a LOT more than $20K to compete with what's already out there. You wanna compete with Manwin, FreeOnes, or Sexbot? Its not gonna happen any time soon. On the other hand, it'll cost you next to nothing to create your own niche.

"Niche" sounds like small time, small money. Facebook started as a niche site - an online gathering place for college students.

P.S. Cut this one short. My posts tend to be waaaay too long...

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Are you saying you need $20k:

1) to make money by creating a paysite (and make direct sales)?

Or

2) to generate traffic to send to someone else's paysite (and make commisions from those sales)?

Or both?

It does take some serious cash for software, content and hosting. 20k is probably not far off the mark. Back in the day, you could shoot your own content for little of nothing or build a site for an amateur. Of course a lot of webmasters built their empires by stealing content from newsgroups. Similar to tube sites today, yes? Over the years it was possible to by a ton of bulk content from sales and blowouts. Not so much anymore. So the learning curve is pretty stiff for the immediate return, unlike 10 years ago when you could make money with your head up your ass. So basically it comes down to what the tubes know now and the TGP's knew then, traffic is king. A noobie with deep pockets still has to know how to get traffic and that seems to be beyond even seasoned webmasters. You don't have to invest a dime of your own money to get into this game if you can get traffic. Major sponsors give you all the equipment you need to succeed for nothing more than your time. Of course, you have to have some knowledge about your tools.

I used to convert pay sites 1:100 on AVERAGE 12 years ago. I put up a site I worked two hours on and made over $3,000 in one month from it. And it was on a free host and all I did was submit it to one AVS site. Try doing that today and report back your earnings. It's different.

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i am, on some sites i am making as high as 1$ CPC - its called highly targeted traffic ;)

what you are doing is just advertising to whoever comes by

times have changed, i changed my sponsors and websited several times over last few years

then ones that were making me $ 5 years ago are making today like 1/5 as 5 years ago

If you need 20k to make money in this biz, you have no clue what you're doing

That would probably be the definition of "noob", someone who doesn't know what
they are doing yet.

Based on what I made back in the day as a noob, I would be glad to pay 20k to
return to those days. So I don't think investing that much for something that is
going to win is a lot of money.

Every year, a new bunch of teens become 18 & get hold of credit cards, every year a load of new people wise up to getting peed on a friday night pulling birds & mature to staying in & buying online porn after spending hours of flicking through site after site...
The right affiliates & the right content shall still sell :thumbsup

A decent investment has to be pushed into any business & certainly more than what was, but a decent living can be successfull from adult for newbies too :2 cents:

What about your time?

It certainly sucks to hear you guys tell stories about 1999 vs now

I started in the adult industry not to long ago and my adult income is building every month, there's still plenty of money in porn.

Think about it: how many worthwhile businesses can you start for less than $20k? Why should this one be any different?

they only have a chance if they listen to me

I guess we'll see. So far I've made less than minimum wage per hour put into it but I've been furiously building sites from scratch and I like to think that'll plateau out a little when I'm satisfied and can let them go on cruise control.
Point is, I'm as a new and probably naive as they come and even I've made some money.

I thought that at first also, but that will not happen.
You will either give up on them for good or they will always keep calling your name
to come do some more work on them.

For example : One of your sponsors will change links or go out of biz.
Then it's back to work changing links etc...

how much would is cost to build a site like seaporn.org?

Ask Paul Markham. Is easier than you think.

Been in adult design for 9 years. Quit a year ago cus webmasters dont have money to pay for design - even established dont. No affiliate programs that need banners for their affiliates, drop dead prices... I can still do it all but people are scared to invest $10 a banner.

If you can't beat them, you join them. Come on dude. You should know this, sure you been here longer than i have!

a paysite would find profit a lot faster than a free site these days. especially if you have a unique product and/or a good idea.

a solo model can start a paysite for $5k and be making $5-10k a month within a year. it just requires a heck of a lot of hours working on the site, adding content, doing camshows, and getting your links all over the web.

there was a guy on PornCMS last year that started a site with videos of him jerking off. i didn't research his marketing, but he was getting over 100 free signups a day and 10-15 paid upgrades a day. i doubt his site cost much more than what he was paying for his PornCMS license. he got married and quit, but it shows you what you can do, even today, with little money and a good idea.

Well, being new to the adult niche I cannot comment. Only time will tell if my investment pays off, which I certainly hope it does.

As far as the investment goes, I would agree but not only the monetary investment, but also the time involved. I think if a noob as myself would fail, is the moment they/we failed to run our websites as a business.

and i think you are helping to make the point for a lot of the replies here. hard work and the right idea matter a lot more than money. your site (www.imodelize.com) is unique and has potential if you can find the right ways to market and keep the community active.

there's been a couple similar type sites that took the wrong step at one point or another and failed. mostly by posting way too many ads and allowing spam.

you need a lot more than 25 members tho..

Cheers for the kind words.
You are very correct about finding the correct way of marketing new sites. Something in all honesty I am learning via trial and error, but persitance will pay off I am sure.

I am trying to keep the site as clean as possible, keeping the ads low I think is important.
Members, well that is where I am struggling haha.

I've been following this thread with delight. I'm a "noob" as you call it and I've been steadily building my network of tgp sites, legal tubes, blog, forum and paysites for a bit over 18 months.

I work six days a week, sometimes more than 12 hours a day, just to get it this far. I reckon that I've invested well over $20,000 to date. It was easy to spend it!

To pay somebody to do what I've done would be frightfully expensive, so I went ahead and built it all by hand. I'm nearing the end now and just gathering the link codes from my various sponsors, so hopefully if the tedium doesn't get me first, then hopefully I'll be on deck properly within weeks. By the way, I previously ran a successful webhosting business here in Australia. I sold it early last year.

As for making money out of porn, I can't believe how simple it is. I have two well ranked tgp sites which are presently making around $400+ per month without any sort of special promotion, just good seo and quality sponsors.

I have set aside a certain amount of money for promotion once I get the all links done - I'm thinking around $10,000 will do it.

It is hard work and I feel good about the project and its prospects for making money in the future. I have come up with what I think is an orginal idea, which will set my network apart from much of what is out there at the moment. I have used my 38 years of experience in running my own successful businesses to set this up as a proper, full time, income producing venture.

Every business that I have run in the past has taken over two years to produce any sort of profit for me, so I went into this with my eyes wide open, fully expecting to not make a cracker for a long time.

To be making over $800 a month without trying, is a thrill and an indication to me that my idea has merit.

While most of the world is in the grips of this lingering Global Finacial Crisis (GFC), one should be mindful that there is still a lot of money out there and to pry what visitors to our websites are prepared to pay for quality porn product, will take a lot of thought and originality to be able to achieve anything near the halcyon, pre-GFC incomes that many of you enjoyed.

These are just my thoughts as a "noob" with more than $20,000 to spend. :2 cents:

It's only going to get harder.

lol that could be possible

actually i think that was the point of this thread. that "trial and error" period is what costs money. not $20k, but i guess that depends what you want to build.

i'm trying to connect to the same audience as you, since the target audience of PornCMS is solo and cam models. i am also looking for new sites for PornCMS clients to post on. hit me up on skype (pks.team) or icq (390183773) and maybe we can figure it out.

I think everyone would be making more if it had cost $20,000 to get started in online porn.

Well all those with $20,000 to invest. I doubt if most of those in online porn today could invest that much on a scheme.

yeah, better to spend 20k on something else then? :) I really think they can make something with such cash...

you don't need 20k

more like 20 dollars, a brain and motivation. that is all.

very true