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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 09-12-2011 02:39 PM

POLL: Is It Ethically Possible to Be Anti-Piracy and Advertise on Pirate Bay?
 
Can a person/company ethically claim to be anti-piracy if they advertise on Pirate Bay?

Straightforward question. Discuss...

NOTE: Poll will close in 3 days and results will be displayed.

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JamesGw 09-12-2011 02:41 PM

I don't think so, no.

There are some situations where a similar scenario might warrant a different answer, but in this one you're directly contributing to the revenue of one of the largest piracy websites on the net.

Zarathustra 09-12-2011 03:01 PM

It is possible depending on the ad

1) if the ad is an anti-piracy ad
2) if the anti-piracy ad pulls away more visitors of the site that would generate more money than the cost of the ad

this can be difficult to substantiate however

MaDalton 09-12-2011 03:15 PM

what about if i develop a product that makes those people pay that are usually just leeches and refuse to spend money on overexposed, boring standard porn?

why cant i profit from the unwillingness of others to develop?

mountainmiester 09-12-2011 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zarathustra (Post 18422422)
It is possible depending on the ad

1) if the ad is an anti-piracy ad
2) if the anti-piracy ad pulls away more visitors of the site that would generate more money than the cost of the ad

this can be difficult to substantiate however

Must be a full moon. Have you ever seen an anti-piracy ad on Pirate Bay? That's like having Pro-Life posters hung all around the lobby of Planned Parenthood.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 09-12-2011 04:19 PM

http://commonsenseatheism.com/wp-con..._to_ethics.png

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Ethics 101: What Every Leader Needs To Know (Book Excerpt)

By John C. Maxwell .
ISBN: 0446578096 Hardcover 128 pages 4 1/2 x 6 1/4 CENTER STREET :

Whatever Happened to Business Ethics?

HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE STATE OF ETHICS IN BUSINESS today? Wonderful? Rock solid? No, I think most people are disgusted with it. They are sick of dishonesty and unethical dealings.

What is your reaction to the following names: Enron, Dennis Kozlowski, WorldCom, Adelphia Communications? At the least, it's probably a feeling of unsettledness. If you owned stock affected by the ethical scandals associated with these names, you are probably outraged!

UC Berkeley accounting professor Brett Trueman, who teaches at the Haas School of Business, remarked, "This is why the market keeps going down every day-investors don't know who to trust. As these things come out, it just continues to build."

Of course, the ethical problems we're seeing aren't limited to just the business world. The public was horrified by the recently revealed abuses that occurred in the Catholic Church and how the incidents were covered up.

Many were surprised by reports that Pulitzer prize-winning history professor Stephen Ambrose had plagiarized passages from historian Thomas Childers for his book The Wild Blue. And those who watched the 2002 Winter Olympic Games in Salt Lake City were outraged when a figure-skating judge claimed that her decision had been coerced, altering the outcome of the pairs competition. Ethical lapses are everywhere.

When pollster George Barna asked people whether they had "complete confidence" that leaders from various professions would "consistently make job-related decisions that are morally appropriate," the results were abysmal:

Type of Leader / Percent Who Hold the Public's Complete Confidence

Executives of Large Corporations 3%
Elected Government Officials 3%
Film & TV Producers, Directors & Writers 3%
News Reporters & Journalists 5%
Small Business Owners 8%
Ministers, Priests & Clergy 11%
Teachers 14%
It's revealing that even regarding the most trusted leaders (teachers), six out of seven people are unwilling to give them their complete trust.

THE ETHICAL DILEMMA

Our disgust is now turning to discussion. People want to know: Why is ethics in such a terrible state? Although there are many possible responses to that question, I believe when people make unethical choices, they do so for one of three reasons:

1. We Do What's Most Convenient

An ethical dilemma can be defined as an undesirable or unpleasant choice relating to a moral principle or practice. What do we do in such situations? Do we do the easy thing or the right thing? For example, what should I do when a clerk gives me too much change? What should I say when a convenient lie can cover a mistake? How far should I go in my promises to win a client?

AN ETHICAL DILEMMA CAN BE DEFINED AS AN UNDESIRABLE OR UNPLEASANT CHOICE RELATING TO A MORAL PRINCIPLE OR PRACTICE.

As human beings, we seem prone to failing personal ethics tests. Why do we do something even when we know it's wrong? Do we cheat because we think we won't get caught? Do we give ourselves permission to cut corners because we rationalize that it's just one time? Is this our way of dealing with pressure?

2. We Do What We Must to Win

I think most people are like me: I hate losing! Businesspeople in particular desire to win through achievement and success. But many think they have to choose between being ethical and winning. The Atlanta Business Chronicle reports that a group of executives came together recently at a leading company in Atlanta to brainstorm ideas for a three-day national conference to be attended by several thousand sales employees. As the team shared ideas for different sessions, a senior vice president of the corporation enthusiastically suggested, "Why don't we do a piece on ethics?"

It was as if someone had died. The room went silent. An awkward moment later, the discussion continued as if the vice president had never uttered a word. She was so taken aback by everyone's reaction, she simply let the idea drop. Later that day, she happened to run into the company's CEO. She recounted to him her belief that the subject of ethics should be addressed at the conference. She expected him to agree wholeheartedly. Instead he replied, "I'm sure everyone agrees that's an important issue. But there's a time and a place for everything. The sales meeting is supposed to be upbeat and motivational. And ethics is such a negative subject."

That CEO isn't alone in his opinion of ethics. Many people believe that embracing ethics would limit their options, their opportunities, their very ability to succeed in business. It's the old suspicion that good guys finish last. They agree with Harvard history professor Henry Adams, who stated, "Morality is a private and costly luxury." Ironically, in today's culture of high debt and me-first living, ethics may be the only luxury some people are choosing to live without! If I believe that I have only two choices: (1) to win by doing whatever it takes, even if it's unethical; or (2) to have ethics and lose-I'm faced with a real moral dilemma. Few people set out with the desire to be dishonest, but nobody wants to lose.

MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT EMBRACING ETHICS WOULD LIMIT THEIR OPTIONS, THEIR OPPORTUNITIES, THEIR VERY ABILITY TO SUCCEED IN BUSINESS.

3. We Rationalize Our Choices with Relativism

Many people choose to deal with such no-win situations by deciding what's right in the moment, according to their circumstances. That's an idea that gained legitimacy in the early 1960s when Dr. Joseph Fletcher, dean of St. Paul's Cathedral in Cincinnati, Ohio, published a book called Situation Ethics. In it he said that love was the only viable standard for determining right from wrong. The Executive Leadership Foundation states,

According to Fletcher, right is determined by the situation, and love can justify anything-lying, cheating, stealing . . . even murder. This philosophy spread rapidly throughout the theological and educational worlds. . . . Since the 1960s, situational ethics has become the norm for social behavior. After spreading rapidly through the worlds of education, religion, and government, it has penetrated a new area-the business world. The result is our ethical situation today.

The result is ethical chaos. Everyone has his own standards, which change from situation to situation. And that stance is encouraged. A course entitled "The Ethics of Corporate Management," offered at the University of Michigan, says in its description, "This course is not concerned with the personal moral issues of honesty and truthfulness. It is assumed that the students at this university have already formed their own standards on these issues."

So whatever anyone wants to use as the standard is okay. Making matters worse is people's natural inclination to be easy on themselves, judging themselves according to their good intentions-while holding others to a higher standard and judging them by their worst actions. Where once our decisions were based on ethics, now ethics are based on our decisions. If it's good for me, then it's good. Where is this trend likely to end?

A CHANGE IN THE WIND

Fortunately, there is an increasing desire for ethical dealing in business. Executive recruiters Heidrick and Struggles state, "In a new era for business, CEOs face a new mandate. Glamour and glitz are out. Transparency-in terms of ethics, values, and goals-is in."My friend Bruce Dingman, president of management consulting firm R. W. Dingman, agrees. He recently sent me an e-mail:

Thought you might like to know what we are seeing in the marketplace. Changes in corporate values or strategies are often reflected in what our clients tell us they now seek in candidates. . . . Yes, they still want key executives who can make the company money, are willing to make tough decisions, and fit the management team, but now there is a stronger concern for integrity, not playing it quite as close to the edge, and taking a somewhat longer view in strategies and the setting of more realistic, more conservative goals.

And Jeremy Farmer, a seasoned recruiter at Bank One in Chicago, says that he and his colleagues are taking ethics into greater account when looking for potential employees: "We're asking the ethics-type questions, and we're doing behavioral interviewing."

It's good to know that there is a desire for change regarding ethics in our culture. The bad news is that most people don't know how to make that transition. Their situation is like that of a group of passengers in a corny joke I heard many years ago. The people were on an airplane during a cross-country flight.

About two hours into their journey they heard a voice say over the loudspeaker, "This is your pilot. We are currently cruising at 35,000 feet at an air speed of 700 knots. We have some bad news and some good news. The bad news is we're lost. The good news is we're making excellent time."

If you look at what's happening in the marketplace, you'll see that even though we desire honesty and plain dealing, we're still not winning the battle of ethics. Take a look at how people in our culture are currently trying to address the problem.

(continued...)

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 09-12-2011 04:21 PM

http://www.plu.edu/~halekc/img/ethics.jpg

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Outsource Ethics Instruction

According to Joan Ryan, columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle, companies are hiring firms to offer on-line ethics classes and engaging consultants to produce huge ethics manuals that Ryan says "often read like tax codes, complete with loopholes and fine print." It's not helping. Worst of all, the desire of such companies often isn't to make their businesses more ethical. Ryan states, "It's about evading punishment. Under federal guidelines, companies that have ethics programs are eligible for reduced fines if convicted of wrongdoing."

Perform an Ethical Flea Dip

Another approach is to "treat" ethical offenders when caught. Management consultant Frank J. Navran calls that an "ethical flea dip."12 The problem with this approach is that it is as effective as a flea dip when a dog's environment isn't changed. The fleas come right back. If the environment- the systems and goals-of an organization encourage and reward unethical behavior, then merely addressing individual employees' actions will not improve the situation.

Rely on the Law

Some companies have given up entirely on trying to figure out what's ethical and are instead using what's legal as their standard for decision making. The result is moral bankruptcy. When Kevin Rollins, president of the Dell Computer Corporation, was asked about the role of ethics in business, he paraphrased Russian dissident Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who said, "I've lived my life in a society where there was no rule of law. And that's a terrible existence. But a society where the rule of law is the only standard of ethical behavior is equally bad."

Rollins asserts, "Solzhenitsyn said that if the United States only aspires to a legal standard of moral excellence, we will have missed the point. Man can do better. I thought that was a nice comment on the ethics of companies that say, 'Well, legally, it was just fine.'We believe you have to aspire to something higher than what's legal. Is what you're doing right?"

THIS TIME IT'S PERSONAL

One of our problems is that ethics is never a business issue or a social issue or a political issue. It is always a personal issue. People say they want integrity. But at the same time, ironically, studies indicate that the majority of people don't always act with the kind of integrity they request from others.

Among college students, 84 percent believe the United States is experiencing a business crisis, and 77 percent believe CEOs should be held responsible for it. However, 59 percent of those same students admit to having cheated on a test. In the workplace, 43 percent of people admit to having engaged in at least one unethical act in the last year, and 75 percent have observed such an act and done nothing about it.

The same person who cheats on his taxes or steals office supplies wants honesty and integrity from the corporation whose stock he buys, the politician he votes for, and the client he deals with in his own business.

It's easy to discuss ethics and even easier to be disgusted with people who fail the ethics test-especially when we have been violated by the wrongdoing of others. It's harder to make ethical choices in our own lives. When we are faced with unpleasant choices, what are we going to do? In the 1980s, former President Ronald Reagan quipped that when it comes to the economy, it's a recession when your neighbor loses his job, but it's a depression when you lose yours! Ethics is similar. It's always harder when I'm the one having to make the choice.

THE SAME PERSON WHO CHEATS ON HIS TAXES OR STEALS OFFICE SUPPLIES WANTS HONESTY AND INTEGRITY FROM THE CORPORATION WHOSE STOCK HE BUYS, THE POLITICIAN HE VOTES FOR, AND THE CLIENT HE DEALS WITH IN HIS OWN BUSINESS.

I want to be ethical, and I believe that you do too. Furthermore, I know it really is possible to do what's right and succeed in business. In fact, according to the Ethics Resource Center in Washington, D.C., companies that are dedicated to doing the right thing, have a written commitment to social responsibility, and act on it consistently are more profitable than those who don't.

James Burke, chairman of Johnson and Johnson, says, "If you invested $30,000 in a composite of the Dow Jones thirty years ago, it would be worth $134,000 today. If you had put that $30,000 into these [socially and ethically responsible] firms-$2,000 into each of the fifteen [in the study]-it would now be worth over $1 million."

COMPANIES THAT ARE DEDICATED TO DOING THE RIGHT THING, HAVE A WRITTEN COMMITMENT TO SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, AND ACT ON IT CONSISTENTLY ARE MORE PROFITABLE THAN THOSE WHO DON'T.

If you embrace ethical behavior, will it automatically make you rich and successful? Of course not. Can it pave the way for you to become successful? Absolutely! Ethics + Competence is a winning equation. In contrast, people who continually attempt to test the edge of ethics inevitably go over that edge. Shortcuts never pay off in the long run. It may be possible to fool people for a season, but in the long haul, their deeds will catch up with them because the truth does come out.

In the short term, behaving ethically may look like a loss (just as one can temporarily appear to win by being unethical). However, in the long term, people always lose when they live without ethics. Have you ever met anyone who lived a life of shortcuts, deception, and cheating who finished well? King Solomon of ancient Israel, reputed to be the wisest man who ever lived, said it this way:

The ways of right-living people glow with light; the longer they live, the brighter they shine. But the road of wrongdoing gets darker and darker- travelers can't see a thing; they fall flat on their faces.

U.S. representative and educational rights advocate Jabez L. M. Curry observed, "A state to prosper must be built on foundations of a moral character, and this character is the principal element of its strength, and the only guaranty of its permanence and prosperity."

The same can be said of a business. Or of a family. Or of any endeavor you wish to see thrive and endure. However, that foundation cannot be built by the organization as a whole. It must be built beginning with each individual. And it must be done in the face of continuous pressure to perform at the expense of doing the right thing.

Let's go back to basics.

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gideongallery 09-12-2011 04:22 PM

well if you realize that pirate bay is nothing more than the sony of the past

the harbinger of the next great fair use

if you respect access shifting you don't have any problems from the pirate bay

$5 submissions 09-12-2011 04:23 PM

YES

How? Advertising ANTIPIRACY / BREAKING THE PIRACY ADDICTION on pirate sites.

The question is: would these sites take your ad?

GregE 09-12-2011 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainmiester (Post 18422449)
Must be a full moon. Have you ever seen an anti-piracy ad on Pirate Bay? That's like having Pro-Life posters hung all around the lobby of Planned Parenthood.

Or a Planned Parenthood placard at a teabagger jamboree :1orglaugh

RycEric 09-12-2011 04:37 PM


papill0n 09-12-2011 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 18422606)
well if you realize that pirate bay is nothing more than the sony of the past

the harbinger of the next great fair use

if you respect access shifting you don't have any problems from the pirate bay

access shifting! oh shit man we all respect access shifting :1orglaugh

DWB 09-12-2011 05:52 PM

As much as I dislike that site and others like it, I can see reasons for wanting to advertise there and don't see a real ethical issue with it. I didn't think this way at first, but after giving it a lot of thought and trying to see the larger picture, I changed my mind. And before you trolls and fake nics get your panties in a bunch, that doesn't mean I download shit from torrents. I don't.

One one hand you're paying the shit bags who own TPB. But on the other hand, you may be getting their customers to actually pay for something, which is quite an accomplishment. If you can convert tubes and torrents, you're in good shape.

It's all a slippery slope. I use CCbill and they now process for cyber lockers who take my stolen content and allow people to download it. Do I dump CCbill over this? I wish I was in a position to do so, but I'm not. But even then, do I not use Visa and Master Card because they do business with 3rd party companies who support pirate sites? Impossible. I have to use V and MC. And what about if they hosted with my host? Where does it end?

I'm as anti-piracy as they come but I also understand that sometimes you have to do what you have to do, and if you ARE able to get sales from a site that steals from you, as dysfunctional as that may be, who am I to say you're wrong for doing it. At least you're trying to offset the theft a little. The game has changed.

papill0n 09-12-2011 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18422858)
As much as I dislike that site and others like it, I can see reasons for wanting to advertise there and don't see a real ethical issue with it. I didn't think this way at first, but after giving it a lot of thought and trying to see the larger picture, I changed my mind. And before you trolls and fake nics get your panties in a bunch, that doesn't mean I download shit from torrents. I don't.

One one hand you're paying the shit bags who own TPB. But on the other hand, you may be getting their customers to actually pay for something, which is quite an accomplishment. If you can convert tubes and torrents, you're in good shape.

It's all a slippery slope. I use CCbill and they now process for cyber lockers who take my stolen content and allow people to download it. Do I dump CCbill over this? I wish I was in a position to do so, but I'm not. But even then, do I not use Visa and Master Card because they do business with 3rd party companies who support pirate sites? Impossible. I have to use V and MC. And what about if they hosted with my host? Where does it end?

I'm as anti-piracy as they come but I also understand that sometimes you have to do what you have to do, and if you ARE able to get sales from a site that steals from you, as dysfunctional as that may be, who am I to say you're wrong for doing it. At least you're trying to offset the theft a little. The game has changed.



we all know you cant distance yourself completely from the wrong doings of the world but to do business directly with an entity whose sole purpose is to enable the distribution of other peoples property that, on the planet I live on, is wrong.


your attempted justifications are weak and contradictory to say the least.

Gambrinus 09-12-2011 06:10 PM

Want a laugh? Ninjavideo cunt crying about being indicted a few days ago...


uno 09-12-2011 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RycEric (Post 18422686)

Next time I icq you i'm going to be a bit bugged out.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 09-12-2011 07:36 PM

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com...3171385991.jpg

I see the semantics play has already begun (damn, and I tried to keep this poll simple).

Anyway, I originally wrote:

? POLL: Is It Ethically Possible to Be Anti-Piracy and Advertise on Pirate Bay?

I probably should have used the word "consistent" in place of "possible" (I thought it was understood).

This is the question posed more precisely (for the ethically challenged, j/k).

? POLL: Is It Ethically Consistent to Be Anti-Piracy and Advertise on Pirate Bay?

This is a thread about ethics, so I almost forgot this is GFY. :winkwink:

http://www.photobasement.com/wp-cont...6/bepolite.jpg

:)

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Caligari 09-12-2011 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambrinus (Post 18422883)
Want a laugh? Ninjavideo cunt crying about being indicted a few days ago...


god what a fucking douche, i want to see the video she makes just before she hits the slammer with her new roommate Lateesha...

Caligari 09-12-2011 07:44 PM

this sums it up nicely
Quote:

Originally Posted by RycEric (Post 18422686)


PSD 09-12-2011 07:52 PM

I thought they sold out to some company that is supposed to make them all "legit"

mynameisjim 09-12-2011 07:59 PM

It depends on how closely you want to slice things. Advertising on a network doesn't necessarily put you in the same bed as the network.

For example, If I ran commercials on Fox broadcasting and their partners, that doesn't mean I necessarily support their political views. I've seen ads for the all electric Nissan Leaf during Fox programs. Fox as a news network takes the position that man made global warming doesn't exist. So does Nissan actually hurt it's cause by advertising on Fox if it gets people to buy cars with fewer emissions?

Like I said, it depends on how thin you want to slice it.

RycEric 09-12-2011 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno (Post 18422890)
Next time I icq you i'm going to be a bit bugged out.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Peter Romero 09-12-2011 09:32 PM

Hey ADGWD trying to reach you non-porn related hit me up on ICQ or e-mail.

raymor 09-12-2011 10:41 PM

Paying thieves for ad space or anything else is dumb.

Dirty Dane 09-13-2011 01:09 AM

Who/which made that claim?

Jel 09-13-2011 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambrinus (Post 18422883)
Want a laugh? Ninjavideo cunt crying about being indicted a few days ago...


unfuckingbelievable

seeandsee 09-13-2011 02:29 AM

i say no because of obvious reason...

kane 09-13-2011 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambrinus (Post 18422883)
Want a laugh? Ninjavideo cunt crying about being indicted a few days ago...


This is classic in so many ways. She is talking about how "we" will fight the fight and how the "community" can help her, yet she admits everyone turned their backs on her and she has nothing and nobody. Typical thieves. They talk a great game and talk about forming a movement against the powers that be, then when the hammer comes down they scurry like rates.

Captain Kawaii 09-13-2011 02:49 AM

LMFAO!!

Stupid cunt is in total denial... I'd like to chain her to a truck and drive through 29 Palms...

Hopefully we'll be seeing hundreds if not thousands of these videos... I need a good laugh.

No, you cannot advertise on TPB and the like and be legit. What a stupid fucking idea.

MaDalton 09-13-2011 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18422858)
As much as I dislike that site and others like it, I can see reasons for wanting to advertise there and don't see a real ethical issue with it. I didn't think this way at first, but after giving it a lot of thought and trying to see the larger picture, I changed my mind. And before you trolls and fake nics get your panties in a bunch, that doesn't mean I download shit from torrents. I don't.

One one hand you're paying the shit bags who own TPB. But on the other hand, you may be getting their customers to actually pay for something, which is quite an accomplishment. If you can convert tubes and torrents, you're in good shape.

It's all a slippery slope. I use CCbill and they now process for cyber lockers who take my stolen content and allow people to download it. Do I dump CCbill over this? I wish I was in a position to do so, but I'm not. But even then, do I not use Visa and Master Card because they do business with 3rd party companies who support pirate sites? Impossible. I have to use V and MC. And what about if they hosted with my host? Where does it end?

I'm as anti-piracy as they come but I also understand that sometimes you have to do what you have to do, and if you ARE able to get sales from a site that steals from you, as dysfunctional as that may be, who am I to say you're wrong for doing it. At least you're trying to offset the theft a little. The game has changed.


beat me, but i am with him...

DWB 09-13-2011 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 18422879)
we all know you cant distance yourself completely from the wrong doings of the world but to do business directly with an entity whose sole purpose is to enable the distribution of other peoples property that, on the planet I live on, is wrong.

your attempted justifications are weak and contradictory to say the least.

I wish all those guys would die of colon cancer, but I can still see some reasons for justifying advertising there, regardless of what I think of the site or their actions. It took me a while to come to that conclusion, but if you consider what you can learn from advertising there, and the fact that you are able to get sales from guys who would otherwise steal your content, it makes sense in a dysfunctional kind of way.

Nathan 09-13-2011 06:10 AM

I know many people disagree with me, I know people do not accept this line of arguments... but, it is a FACT that the pirate bay has existed for years and years and years. It will continue to exist for years until laws are enacted that make it illegal. Why would I sit here and not try to make money with a site that is costing me money?

We have found a way to make some money back from the pirate bay while they continue to have content of ours on their site. Do we DMCA the content, of course we do. But why would I sit here and cry and cry and cry about the evil pirate bay and not try to get some money back?! Your only argument is that we pay them money. If we would not pay them money, they would make money otherwise, or possibly even not care and still won't close, so why let anyone else profit from our content instead if we can do so ourselves?!

Nautilus 09-13-2011 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18422444)
what about if i develop a product that makes those people pay that are usually just leeches and refuse to spend money on overexposed, boring standard porn?

why cant i profit from the unwillingness of others to develop?

Because your "development" will last for only about 3 days until some sick fuck will spot your ad, break into your site, make full site rip and upload it back to the pirate bay. And here you go, you're now in the same position as all other producers who already got their stuff stolen and posted, and their stolen stuff is the only reason why the damn thing has the absurd amount of traffic you're trying to take advantage of.

Your arrogance will get you nowhere. You may think you're better than others, more "adapted", but you'll end up in the same boat as everyone else. Your videos that you think are not overexposed and boring will quickly get there after your full site rip will sit at tbp for a month or two and you can't do shit about it because cock smokers do not even respond to DMCAs.

That's why ethics exist, for example in the form of standards and best practices that our joke of an industry is profoundly lacking. Because when ethics do not exists, in the end of the day everyone loses.

Nautilus 09-13-2011 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 18423343)
This is classic in so many ways. She is talking about how "we" will fight the fight and how the "community" can help her, yet she admits everyone turned their backs on her and she has nothing and nobody. Typical thieves. They talk a great game and talk about forming a movement against the powers that be, then when the hammer comes down they scurry like rates.

Spot on. That's what is truly in the spirit of their "community", to leech a thing until it's dead not contributing anything, and then simply move on without even trying to help.

I'm always amazed when in situations like this, when a person is facing a jail time or severe financial penalties, half of the comments at torrentfreak are mentoring the future wannabe freedom fighters "that's why it is important to release your code in open source format, so others may use it to develop another project instead of a dead one". It's really amazing and actually unhuman behavior - for them thieves, until the leeching party's going on, nothing else matters.

porno jew 09-13-2011 07:52 AM

you are becoming unhealthily obsessed. go back to posting stupid pics in every thread.

Nautilus 09-13-2011 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RycEric (Post 18422686)

I'm bit fan of that pic :pimp Why is it not appearing at your avatar anymore?

MaDalton 09-13-2011 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 18423800)
Because your "development" will last for only about 3 days until some sick fuck will spot your ad, break into your site, make full site rip and upload it back to the pirate bay. And here you go, you're now in the same position as all other producers who already got their stuff stolen and posted, and their stolen stuff is the only reason why the damn thing has the absurd amount of traffic you're trying to take advantage of.

Your arrogance will get you nowhere. You may think you're better than others, more "adapted", but you'll end up in the same boat as everyone else. Your videos that you think are not overexposed and boring will quickly get there after your full site rip will sit at tbp for a month or two and you can't do shit about it because cock smokers do not even respond to DMCAs.

That's why ethics exist, for example in the form of standards and best practices that our joke of an industry is profoundly lacking. Because when ethics do not exists, in the end of the day everyone loses.

i am talking hypothetically, not about my content btw... (which i can already find on PB)

but it is possible to develop something that cannot be stolen and uploaded and that's what i am talking about

and if i had that - and it would be something that turns freeloaders into paying customers - i would be an idiot if i sat back and watch others make money on there.

trust me, as content producer i really dislike torrents, p2p and so on. and i have never downloaded a single byte from Pirate Bay.

But the world evolves and as long the site exists and it's not illegal to advertise on there, someone will do it.

Nautilus 09-13-2011 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18423883)
i am talking hypothetically, not about my content btw... (which i can already find on PB)

but it is possible to develop something that cannot be stolen and uploaded and that's what i am talking about

and if i had that - and it would be something that turns freeloaders into paying customers - i would be an idiot if i sat back and watch others make money on there.

trust me, as content producer i really dislike torrents, p2p and so on. and i have never downloaded a single byte from Pirate Bay.

But the world evolves and as long the site exists and it's not illegal to advertise on there, someone will do it.

It will actually be illegal to adverise on sites like the pirate bay soon (Protect IP Act), and rightfully so. You cannot profit from advertising on a site that attracts it's traffic by means of criminal acts of copyright infringements.

Yes it is always possible to develop something that cannot be stolen, but giving up on piracy means giving up on the whole realms of legitimate commerce that can only exist when intellectual property is protected.

It is NOT ethical to earn your living by destroying other people's lives, or assisting in that by sponsoring sites like tpb.

RebelR 09-13-2011 09:03 AM

You see.. the think about business ethics is....


RycEric 09-13-2011 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 18423873)
I'm bit fan of that pic :pimp Why is it not appearing at your avatar anymore?

:1orglaugh That was a different gun :winkwink: This was just in reach when I read the thread and added what I thought of those guys.... and their investors.

Qbert 09-13-2011 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 18423626)
I know many people disagree with me, I know people do not accept this line of arguments... but, it is a FACT that the pirate bay has existed for years and years and years. It will continue to exist for years until laws are enacted that make it illegal. Why would I sit here and not try to make money with a site that is costing me money?

We have found a way to make some money back from the pirate bay while they continue to have content of ours on their site. Do we DMCA the content, of course we do. But why would I sit here and cry and cry and cry about the evil pirate bay and not try to get some money back?! Your only argument is that we pay them money. If we would not pay them money, they would make money otherwise, or possibly even not care and still won't close, so why let anyone else profit from our content instead if we can do so ourselves?!

You're trying to justify the decision with dollars and cents business arguments. The question posed by the OP was whether or not it was ethical. Two entirely different things. It may make business sense to put your ads on Pirate Bay, but that doesn't make it ethical.

Ethics is choosing a course of action because it's the right thing to do, regardless of the situation.

Nathan 09-13-2011 10:49 AM

Qbert, everybody has different perception of ethics. Most of the world things creating porn is unethical. So does that mean we are all unethical? No, because we believe otherwise.

In the end, its a simple business decision: Do I want someone else to profit off of a site like TPB that has stolen content of mine available, or do I ignore my ethics here and decide that it makes more sense to get some money back from these people and show them why paying for our porn is a good thing?

I chose to not let someone else profit from my content. Or at least I try not to as much as I can.

DWB 09-13-2011 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 18424460)
Qbert, everybody has different perception of ethics. Most of the world things creating porn is unethical. So does that mean we are all unethical? No, because we believe otherwise.

The moon and stars must be aligned... I agree with that 100%.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 09-13-2011 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 18423626)
I know many people disagree with me, I know people do not accept this line of arguments... but, it is a FACT that the pirate bay has existed for years and years and years. It will continue to exist for years until laws are enacted that make it illegal. Why would I sit here and not try to make money with a site that is costing me money?

We have found a way to make some money back from the pirate bay while they continue to have content of ours on their site. Do we DMCA the content, of course we do. But why would I sit here and cry and cry and cry about the evil pirate bay and not try to get some money back?! Your only argument is that we pay them money. If we would not pay them money, they would make money otherwise, or possibly even not care and still won't close, so why let anyone else profit from our content instead if we can do so ourselves?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 18424460)
Qbert, everybody has different perception of ethics. Most of the world things creating porn is unethical. So does that mean we are all unethical? No, because we believe otherwise.

In the end, its a simple business decision: Do I want someone else to profit off of a site like TPB that has stolen content of mine available, or do I ignore my ethics here and decide that it makes more sense to get some money back from these people and show them why paying for our porn is a good thing?

I chose to not let someone else profit from my content. Or at least I try not to as much as I can.

The bottom line is that when it comes to ethics, the Managing Partner of Manwin, admittedly ignores ethics and puts profits first.

Nathan (Fabian Thylmann) crys crocodile tears about PB's blatant content theft, and acts almost like he is being forced to pay the Pirate Bay more money to make them more successful, yet bright as he says he is, he can think of no possible alternative.

The facts are clear that not only is Manwin financially supporting the worst form of piracy, they are admittedly profiting from it.

ADG

iamtam 09-13-2011 01:26 PM

wait, you brought up ethics in an adult webmaster board? are you kidding? most of the people on here would sell videos of their mom taking a crap if they could make a living off of it. why would they have a problem with the pirate bay, or talking out of both sides of their mouths?

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 09-13-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by iamtam (Post 18424967)

wait, you brought up ethics in an adult webmaster board? are you kidding? most of the people on here would sell videos of their mom taking a crap if they could make a living off of it. why would they have a problem with the pirate bay, or talking out of both sides of their mouths?

http://www.yourdictionary.com/images....Integrity.jpg

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ADG

DWB 09-13-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 18423957)
It will actually be illegal to adverise on sites like the pirate bay soon (Protect IP Act), and rightfully so. You cannot profit from advertising on a site that attracts it's traffic by means of criminal acts of copyright infringements.

But what if you own the pirate site and freely advertise your other sites?

porno jew 09-13-2011 04:35 PM

duke dollars pays for an ad on extreme board to keep their content off that site. no one complains about the duke.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 09-13-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18425516)

duke dollars pays for an ad on extreme board to keep their content off that site. no one complains about the duke.

Are you just pointing that out, or are you complaining?

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Bump! :winkwink: :Oh crap

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Peter Romero 09-13-2011 11:29 PM

Dude... ADGWD trying to get ahold of you. We've talked in the past. Please contact me. Re: money 4 U.


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