Online Gambling 5X bigger than porn
 

Are we in the wrong industry?
Who knows the best gambling sponsors???

http://www.emarketer.com/images/char...000/045280.gif
Here's the article:
Gambling is the most lucrative vice online...
:glugglug

Only $400mm in online porn - somehow I highly doubt that. I would guestimate it to be near a billion, plus or minus a couple hundred thous :)

"Online (has always been) an ideal medium for gambling. It's better than sex because unlike sex, online gambling could never be offered for free and it gives the user instant gratification."
-- Michael Caselli, editor of Gambling Online Magazine

How is gambling legal?
are all the servers offshore or something?

Offshore of course. Casino-on-net, crappiest domain of all, I believe is #1 with online casinos.

I cant understand how people trust that shit.

I didn't read the article, but I wouldn't be surprised if the casinos were inflating their numbers by how much money goes through the casino rather than how much is actually spent. So if you play a $10 hand of blackjack and win, then play it again and lose, did the casino count that as $10 spent (lost once) or $20 spent (played $10 twice) or $0 spent (since you broke even)?

I won $3100 on casino on net and got paid by wire the next week. Second time I played, I lost $50, and I haven't gone back since :)

Is it illegal to promote a online casino in USA not sure how that works.

I believe this. One person losing a few k bucks in a casino every week isn't at all unusual. In porn, that would equal hundreds of people.
Porn sites cost about $40 a month, and very few people have more than 5 subscriptions. That's $200 a month spent, max. The max in casino's is slightly higher.

You're smart :thumbsup

All I hear about is the casino affiliate programs that make all your earnings magically disappear when the surfer wins big (sounds like bullshit to me). If there really were casino programs that didn't suck ass -- they would be buying traffic PER CLICK!!!! Every time they contact me -- that's the first fucking thing that I shove in their face -- if your program is so hot -- why aren't you buying per click? The answer is easy -- casino can't compete w/ adult -- because they SUCK.

If casino were better than adult -- EVERYONE in our biz would be selling to them... that's just not the case. If there were really useful casino programs -- you would see the "elite" webmasters using these programs on their sites. To see what is hot -- all you have to do is some surfing...

I took Casino-On-Net for $2400 one time and $800 on another occasion. Sent me a bank draft in two weeks.

We have tried a couple of affilate programs, and got fucked both times, Live and learn !:2 cents:

I believe that online casinos probably earn more than online porn. But the average joe is much more likely to spend money on porn than joining a casino. Some people are compulsive gamblers and they drop thousands a month but most are going to lose their $50 or $100 and that's it. That's assuming they even join in the first place. Unless you have very targeted traffic I wouldn't think it's worth it to promote a casino over porn.

ya, a few years ago is was estimated at 1-1.5 billion. no way it dropped

I do I do.

Refer Back

Use Refer Back for a couple weeks and you'll see what all adult affiliate programs strive to be like. :winkwink:


There are way more porn surfers than there are casino players. The big difference is that it's impossible to give away the thrill of gambling, yet there is 1000X more than enough porn for me to jack off dairly for the rest of my life, out there for free. Competition for the traffic is fierce, but once you have that, you've got it made. Try out Refer Back, even just by putting up a couple banners on your adult sites, you won't be sorry.

Thanks for the insight guys. I remember a couple of threads on here where people were bitching that they made a lot of dough and as soon as one of their signups won any money their payouts got wiped out.

Hmmmmmmm.


[shrugs]

hahaha, I really love how you try to make it sound like you know what you're talking about. "Every time they contact me"... lol, you're trying to say it's a regular thing for casino affiliate program owners to contact YOU about traffic? What a joke you are.

Casinos don't buy per click? Check the Overture prices for the term Casino, it may open your eyes a little. I buy a lot of traffic by the click, on a case by case basis. Think about it for a second genous, what is Refer Back supposed to offer per click? Someone with a quality SE fed casino site should get the same per click as some assclown sending blind TGP clicks? This is not complicated you fucking lunatic. Stick to discussing things you know, whatever that may be, our you just make yourself look stupid.

Over time, in the end, the house always wins. That's no secret. :Graucho

I always thought yearly porn revenue was about 9 billion total? Maybe that's offline too though

In any case, no way in hell is it only 400 mill

That is possible. When you grab a win/loss statement from a casino it shows your total amount played. You might have a million in play and only win or lose 20k. Rich do you know the answer to this?


By the way, I saw the prices Rich pays per click for casinos and I would say it would put TheFly or almost anyone else in the hole pretty damn quick. It's obviously a money maker for the price he pays. I would definately not doubt there is more money in gambling.

Rich,
Seriously, is the affiliate payout always tied to the win/loss performance of the referrals? Or is it per new account opened or something like that?

What is the payout situation like on ReferBack?

Also, what is the best way to promote casino traffic? Obviously getting a good SE placement with some relavent content but what marketing material/support/advice does referback offer?

See the guys in my sig,,they have been giving out millions a month for years..and I get 20% of the take ..
People that gamble,,,spend money..lots of it..
:winkwink:

so we can do that, even tho its expressly forbidden in your terms?

One more thing....

What about the legalities of a US company promoting casino business... Any issues there?

OUCH.

Nice work Dawgy.

WTF?????:BangBang: :BangBang:

i shake my head and shudder when i think of the millions of people who will gamble real money in an online casino - the vast majority are in the Carribean, there ain't shit you can do if you get ripped off, you have no idea if the games are rigged.

I used to read a sports board that had a forum for online sports betting and casinos, pages and pages of people telling horror stories of how they got fleeced.

Sometimes guys on this board say they own casinos. This baffles me, you can't legally own an online casino and live in the United States. They put the first big online sportsbook guy in jail, he had the best lawyers, his whole operation was in Costa Rica or Antigua, but he still resided in New York.

What countries is it legal to own a casino in and if it is legal do you have to be licensed by the government ? I think i saw that Australia was licensing online casinos.

I think the U.S. government has got to chill out and accept the fact that people are gambling and like it online so better to let American companies get their piece of the pie. All the American gambling giants are dying to get online.

I also think there was a legal precedent set when somebody charged back big online gambling losses. I guess that's why the casinos now use all those Epassporte type things so it's tougher to charge back. I would definitely not trust a casino who let me use a credit card without me faxing or mailing a signed agreement.

Are there companies in Costa Rica etc that will set up a presence down there and get you set up in biz legally, at least legally with the Costa Rican goverment?

no ouch. im sure its something thats approved on a case by case basis. just wanted to find out for sure tho ;)

I'm not sure what the numbers in that article are representing. In the same way you guys are unsure of the total annual porn profit, I'm unaware of the total annual casino profit. Based on the fact that there are a lot of shady people in both businesses who do not report all their income, it's really impossible to know exactly how much is spent in either business. I would assume that article is talking about gambling losses.


There are several ways you can market casinos, SE's are the best way, but not the only way. Refer Back offers all kinds of marketing material, sign up and take a look around. We have everything you're used to; rotating banners, text links, popups, etc, along with several things you're not so used to including pre fabricated gateway pages, flash games for your sites, tickers (like on ESPN), etc. As far as marketting goes, the Resource Center offers help building and promoting your casino website, with begginer, intermediate, and advanced levels of advice. All that along with world class 24/7 e-mail and phone support, and you'll see what I mean when I say most adult programs could learn a thing or two. Every account is also assigned an affiliate relationship manager to offer you advice and assist you in any way possible.

Refer Back offers, like most affiliate programs, a percentage on all player losses. This will make you the most money in the long run. In the meantime it frees up a lot of time to improve the program and help you guys, time that would have been used catching cheaters if it was a per click/join program. Right now the payout is monthly, by check, infinia, or ACH.

So who's going to try their luck in the casino biz?
Give 'er.

Yip that's what I read also ....

promote sexually explicit materials

Adult sites have to be approved on a case by case basis, thanks for bringing that up, Dawgy. The best way to go at it is to filter some traffic through one of the pre made gateway pages.

now what does this mean? **The best way to go at it is to filter some traffic through one of the pre made gateway pages. ** Do you accept adult sites that promote legal porn (in USA)or not... Yes or No please.

For the most part, no direct links from porn sites to casinos are allowed. If you can do volume, e-mail me and I'll hook you up if you're dead set on direct links. However, the best way tell sell casinos is to link to a gateway page, something along the links of a "top 10 casinos" type page. Gamblers like a variety, and pages like that do better than just linking to a casino front. When I buy $25/click traffic from overture, 80% of the time I send it to a gateway page. Whereever you feed your gateway page traffic from is your own business. :Graucho

In case you're not sure what a gateway page is, search overture for "Casino" and look for something like "Casinos with the Best Odds and Payouts". These sites are the real cash cows.

Thank's think I'll pass on promoteing referback, all I have are porn pages, sounds like 2 big of a chance not 2 get paid.
Yes I know what a gateway page is I always called them doorway pages. The gateway page would be on a porn domain, like sex.com, pussy.com, cumxxx.com, so I would think they could say sorry no pay for you Jimmy.

Rich... what's yer email or icq ???

I'll hit you up for some more info if/when I decide to get involved, so you'll be sure to get my ref if I do.

Thanks.

or indian reserves like the Kahnawake Gaming Commission in Canada

http://www.goldenpalace.com/welcome....%2Faboutus.htm

-=BiZUMP=-

Rich??? Contact info?

Rich,

Is there any hook you can offer to get a fence-sitting porn surfer to even click? You know the standard vegas shit - penny slots, low craps table odss, whatever.. Not a gambling guy but you know what I mean.. I'm sure a banner with "click here to give us money and play a lame flash game" probably wouldn't pull too well. ;>

Cheers,
Backov

Anyone else find it interesting that casinos feel the need to distance themselves from porn?

Sorry I missed this bro, I'd be glad to help any way I can:
richard At bigleaguebetting.com




Advertising the promotions works well on porn sites, they always offer some form of bonus to new members, and it does get them interested. I suggest linking to a page that lists different promotions on different casinos. Trust me. :winkwink:



shhh :ugone2far



That's over simplifying, it's a lot more complicated than you make it seem. If you think there are a lot of legal issues in the porn business, you should see everything we have to deal with. :)

For whoever asked before, advertising a casino as an affiliate will not get you into legal trouble.

Thanks Rich....
I'll probably be in touch soon.

Ive lost a lot more money gambling than I have to online porn.

I would think that to lose a few hundred bucks here and there on a football game would be much more prevelant than somebody spending a few hundred bucks on a porn site.

(which rarely happens without chargebacks)

I'd say that's on the money.

And that gambling estimate I would bet is way inflated... its near impossible to get gambling transactions thru for US citizens without some really crazy systems like they are using right now.

Yeah shithead -- they used to contact me all the time. What is so hard to believe about that? I've been in this game since '98 when Adbuck's Worldgaming had their rotating employees asking me to send them traffic. You think you are the only shithead with a casino affiliate program?

If this casino affiliate program is so hot -- show us a large adult site that sends your program traffic (non-spam traffic) -- and some stats on the first month earnings so we can see a) how much $ casino clicks are worth and b) impression/click ratio for the banners.

That should shut your ass up. Until then, bend over for Overture. Sounds like something you are good at :1orglaugh You aren't competitive in adult. Where were the Casino programs at Internext?

Since you sound like you need help -- I'll give you some advice...

If you want people to send traffic -- you have to offer more than adult sites pay given the value of the ad spots that they have open for advertising space. Who cares about traffic quality? You pay what the market will support and keep the profits for yourself! The point is that you can't outsell adult -- that's why Casinos can't offer a click program even if they wanted to -- they aren't willing to take the risk -- because they know they can't compete. If nobody had discovered shaving, click programs still would be popular today -- it's an easy way to pay the affiliate what his traffic is worth -- keeping the big profits for yourself. In the history of this biz there has NEVER been a popular Casino click program -- that's a fact. Why do you think you are an Overture whore? You may get lucky and find a retarded adult webmaster to sell you clicks -- and he may even get lucky and catch some high roller... This is all a gamble! Only a per-click Casino affiliate program could work -- BECAUSE WEBMASTERS DON'T WANT TO GAMBLE AWAY VALUABLE ADVERTISING SPACE!!! LOL If you aren't willing to absorb the risk by offering cash for traffic -- why should we!?!?!?!

Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. It's common sense. If I wanted to gamble my advertising space away I'd be better off in Vegas.

:1orglaugh

You're suck a joke, and you're a fucking lunatic, so I'm not even going to bother with you anymore. You want me to show you stats? lol, I don't have anything to prove to you. I don't have any adult sites that send me a ton of members, I never said I did. Some people here know the kind of money I make, but I've never talked about it once. I'm not here to entertain kids like you who get excited seeing screenshots, grow up buddy. I don't care what you think I make, you're nothing but a wannabe Choker who can't back up his huge fucking mouth.

Casino programs aren't at porn webmaster shows because that's a different business, smart guy. I didn't claim I was "competitive in adult", I focus on casinos, I've never said different. I don't post on this board to whore myself like most people. I come here mainly for fun, and to find shit for the adult stuff I do on the side. Someone asks about gambling, I speak up. I have never asked you to promote me, I don't know why you're making it sound like I have.

Also, what's an overture whore? Someone who can afford quality traffic? I take that as a compliment, I'm sure a lot of small time tgp webmasters here like yourself wish they could afford spends hundreds of thousands of dollars a year on SE traffic.

Go on believing that you know everything, and that your posts actually make sense to people. :winkwink: