Bill Clinton Wants Obama To Ignore The Constitution And Act As A Dictator!
 

First, let it be clearly understood that there is no "constitutional option" in this matter. The "constitional optioni" is the product of the crazed socialist mind of Bill Clinton!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...t-ceiling.html

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Bill Clinton: I Would Use 14th Amendment To Raise The Debt Ceiling

July 19, 2011 4:16 PM

BC News? Mary Bruce (@marykbruce) Reports:

With the deadline to raise the debt ceiling just two weeks away, former President Bill Clinton said that if he were in President Obama?s shoes, he would use the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling ?without hesitation.?

Clinton told The National Memo?s Joe Conason that he would invoke the constitutional option and ?force the courts to stop me? if ?it came to that? and a deal could not be reached with Congress.

?I think the Constitution is clear and I think this idea that the Congress gets to vote twice on whether to pay for [expenditures] it has appropriated is crazy,? Clinton said.

The Obama White House, however, has adamantly denied that the 14th amendment is an option.

?It's pretty categorical. We're not exploring this. That's not an option,? White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Monday. ?There is no mechanism that allows us to get around the fact that on August 2nd, if the measures haven't been taken, we go into default.?

Clinton said lifting the debt ceiling ?is necessary to pay for appropriations already made? by Congress. ?You can?t say, ?Well, we won the last election and we didn?t vote for some of that stuff, so we?re going to throw the whole country?s credit into arrears,? he added.

Despite saying he would raise the debt ceiling without congressional legislation, Clinton thinks the issue will be resolved by the August 2 deadline. ?It looks to me like they?re going to make an agreement, and that?s smart,? he said."

Is Powdered Toast Man only Bill Clinton is disguise?:

One time in band camp, I fucked a jar of peanut butter.

Bring back Bill! Clinton was the best president in the modern era and sadly I didn't recognize it at the time so I didn't vote for him.

PS... have no idea what the crazy OP wrote because life is too short...:pimp

Marion, get lost. You're clown shoes.

too much info dude. :helpme you sat there and ate it didnt you :1orglaugh :helpme

Wow, each and every word Sally types further shows the depth of his stupidity.

No sense insulting this idiot, you can't make him look worse than his own words do.

I made a bunch of sandwiches with it and chicks kept coming back for more.

I put the nut in peanut MuaFucka!

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God, where is FFVB when you need it?

Type.... Silly Rant as only one move. Cut n Past :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Does Marion Lynn run this big gay porn site ?

http://www.biggayallsbiggayporn.info/ :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It's in amongst a whole heap of other whacky sites he runs.

Nice design job, with the links down the bottom included with his crappy free wordpress template. Almost beats www.adultadsusa.com :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Only a complete idiot would twist letting Congress do its actual job into a dictatorship of some type.... wait, an idiot did twist it like that.

Anyway, they best come to a compromise or Obama does have the power to force 'his' play, and nothing could be done to stop it.

Oh?

Shows wherein the Constitution the President is granted such powers.

Adn who would stop him?

The Supreme Court of The United States, that's who!

Did it to FDR and FDR was nearly impeached over it.

The difference between FDR and Obama is that Obama WOULD not only be impeached but convicted at the impeachment hearing.

On second thought, I hope he tries it.

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Let me get this straight... after posting the actual part in the 14th amendment for you and Clinton saying it could be used - you're still too stupid to accept it?

Wait... of course you are, you're bringing it up, again! :1orglaugh

Look up the amendment and you'll see it. It gives him the power, not congress when they can't freaking do it. At that, they couldn't stop it, they could only take action after it's going, which they wouldn't do or win.

What FDR went through and Obama is vastly different, it's not even possible to relate the two.

Hell he doesn't have to use it, he could just use his power to sign anything he likes, then let the idiots fight over it afterward, and he still wouldn't be impeached for it.

Hahaha, what a dip shit.

If Congress fails to uphold the Constitution, it's the Presidents job to do it - moron. And if Congress which is the people dealing with this right now, can't solve it - which by the Constitution they are legally bound to do, it would mean the President does it.

You should stop talking American Gov or Politics... clearly you're not an American.

Thank you for the opportunity to clearly and finally demonstrate that you are completely full of shit.

The 14th Amendment does NOT give the President the power to unilaterally implace a budget but rather SPECIFICALLY RESERVES THAT POWER TO THE CONGRESS AND THE CONGRESS ALONE!

Reprinted below is the complete text of the Fourteenth Amendment and please take special note of the wording of Section Five (5)!

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

THEY have to agree with EACH OTHER, by a vote, which it hasn't made it all the way through yet... so again you show how f'in stupid you are on how the american gov works, as I said, clearly you're not american.

I know right?

Read idiot... Section 4: "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

Idiot... if they can't agree on it, ie: vote to pass the damn thing, it shall not be questioned. And if Congress fails to do it's job to uphold the constitution, it is the Presidents job to ensure it's not questioned, ie: uphold the constitution.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to expose more your stupidity here on gfy. What's best, is even another President is saying it, and you two still question.. What a bunch of idiots.

When does Marion become an enemy of the state?

Do you think they'll be a YouTube video when they take him down?

One can only hope!

I think you'd better show wherein the Constitution the President is given such authority as to emplace a budget.

I'll save you the trouble.

Nowhere in the Constitution is the President given such authority but have a good time looking!

"the validity of the public debt ... shall not be questioned" says to me that Obama has to pay the existing debt, not that he's allowed to borrow as much as he wants. In this case, it means he haa to pay the bond holders first, even if that leaves no money to give his ACORN buddies.

http://balkin.blogspot.com/2011/07/w...section-4.html

By the way, what is a socialist?

Hahaha... it's called congressional override.

Btw, the budget is already a law, thus Obama has many options he could use to force this if he really wanted. The 14th amendment is simply want gives him the power to tell everyone to fuck off if they fail to take care of it.

I love that you now argue that Bill Clinton is wrong as well.... it truly shows how stupid you really are.

So now you know me and my wife? Hahahah... and yeah, aff's run away, nobody promotes topbucks all because of the shit I say on gfy. Hahaha, what an idiot.

For the second time, where?

Please show us the Section empowering the President to unilaterally emplace a budget.

And I already answered you, twice.... I wont do it a 3rd time.

Please show me where I said the President had the power to unilaterally emplace a budget?

What you fail to get is a President and the actual amendment say other wise, so it really has nothing to do with what I say, you're arguing against another President now - which is making you look rather stupid.

Yep, I say shit on gfy... have for years, only a lame duck such as yourself continues to spin topics off so they can have the conversion jump ship, making them feel as if they're winning something. :1orglaugh

Third time!

Where?

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

Yes we get it, you can cut and paste Marion. What's your next trick ?

If this in relation to the question-statement you claim I made, I can't prove something correct or wrong when you made it up in your head.

However, related to what has to happen and why, and how it happens, the answers have been posted above.

Yep.. showing facts is the best I have.

They can't invoke it yet, we aren't in default.


Yep, nothing but twists and deflection, from me, after you wrote this dribble, again? :1orglaugh

Damn you're stupid... fuck.

You're silly. That's all I have to say.

A torturous interpretation = CRAP SHOOT :upsidedow:upsidedow

The fact that the president, who just happens to be a constitutional lawyer, says he has no such power should tell you something. Clinton is pretty much the only person who thinks there's anything to it. This is the same guy who, when asked about his perjury, replied "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is", so I wouldn't trust him to interpret anything.

Obama was a civil rights lawyer, however he did teach constitutional law for something like 12 years. He wasn't a litigation lawyer, more of a researcher (hence his college jobs as well), the little bit he did fight was pretty much all civil.

The president could issue an Executive Order as he's supposed to execute the instructions of the Congress and also to ensure that the laws are "faithfully" executed... So he could order that all money keep flowing so that the lawful spending bill be adhered to in order to meet the requirements of the 14th amendment of the constitution.

Of course that would mean that the debt ceiling law be "ignored" so the shit would hit the fan.. But then again, it seems ridiculous that congress would pass a debt ceiling bill that makes it so that their very own spending bill can't be adhered to in the first place. It's one big cluster fuck...

You Americans know you are fucked, right?

SallyRand,

I'm not even American and even I know more about American politics and the US Constitution than you.

President Obama CAN raise the debt ceiling and use the 14th Amendment which reads "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law?shall not be questioned.? to back him up. However, he can't do it just like that. The US would have to have its credit downgraded, the economy would have to be collapsing, stocks begin tumbling etc, before he could do this.

Rand: It's people like you, Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, and all the pricks at Fox who continue to put out this kind of noise and pull American's attention away from what is really going on. It's really sad.

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But it's ok, Sally Rand, also known as Marion Lynn, does know how to cut and paste like any right wing loony whacko!