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  • Diomed
    Converting like it's 1999
    • Jan 2009
    • 6167
    #1

    Services like Xrumer, do they really work?

    Never have used any blackhat seo services before,

    but always wondered if they did more damage than good.

    I know a lot of so called "legit" SEO services do tend to use frowned upon blackhat type of methods to induce faster results.. but I'm wondering are any of these results long lasting? Surely when the sudden influx of backlinks stops SE's will pick up on it right?

    Once you build backlinks at a steady rate for a period of time, and then stop, doesn't that usually hurt your rankings?
    10 years of experience in:

    CHAT SALES - PAID TRAFFIC - CONVERSION - CREATIVES - CONSULTATION
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    • Konda
      ...
      • Apr 2003
      • 2280
      #2
      It works, but it depends on how you use it. It will be short-term if you don't know what you are doing, but if you know what you are doing it can work very well, but it's always risky

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        • Diomed
          Converting like it's 1999
          • Jan 2009
          • 6167
          #3
          Originally posted by Konda
          It works, but it depends on how you use it. It will be short-term if you don't know what you are doing, but if you know what you are doing it can work very well, but it's always risky
          I mean,

          there is no way you can sustain those kinds of volume on backlinks.. so I don't see how would you camouflage something like that to blend in for the long term. At the same rate, SEO obviously isn't my strong point.
          10 years of experience in:

          CHAT SALES - PAID TRAFFIC - CONVERSION - CREATIVES - CONSULTATION

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            • Diomed
              Converting like it's 1999
              • Jan 2009
              • 6167
              #4
              Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
              You don't because you never directly link to your site. You need lot's of feeder pages and very solid strategy. I'd highly suggest you don't use a service unless you want to be shutdown. Besides, if the BL list was solid, why would they offer a service? Meaning, if you had a vast resource of linkable web sites with PR3's or better with a minimal outbound links would you tell anybody? With the correct anchor text you can list blank blogger pages and rank in the top-10. I know I've done it.
              I understand your logic on the "why share a cash cow" point, but the same goes for a lot of services that do offer resources that you can generate profit from. Traffic brokers, legit SEO companies, etc.. you always figure, well why are they selling it if it works so well. But in some cases, albeit a few, can render real results.

              I have noticed that some blogs don't really need backlinks to rank in the top 10. But not catching your point on the anchor text.

              Nobody said the BL's would be outstanding, but what if they did garner results? Un-impressive as the backlinks are. Usually when I investigate a site I see thriving in a sub niche somewhere, the backlinks are usually shit 9 times out of 10.
              10 years of experience in:

              CHAT SALES - PAID TRAFFIC - CONVERSION - CREATIVES - CONSULTATION

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                • Seth Manson
                  Please dont fuck animals
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 3988
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Diomed
                  Usually when I investigate a site I see thriving in a sub niche somewhere, the backlinks are usually shit 9 times out of 10.
                  backlinks > no backlinks

                  If xrumer scares you, maybe you should try SENukeX. I use both, along with some custom softwares.

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                    • Just Alex
                      Liv Benson to You, Bitch
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 6060
                      #6
                      Interesting topic. Bookmarking

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                        • Bull Smoke
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 115
                          #7
                          Save your money. That software will only hurt your rankings.

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                            • Seth Manson
                              Please dont fuck animals
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 3988
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Bull Smoke
                              Save your money. That software will only hurt your rankings.
                              bullshit

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                                • DamianJ
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Jul 2006
                                  • 15808
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Diomed
                                  Never have used any blackhat seo services before,

                                  but always wondered if they did more damage than good.

                                  I know a lot of so called "legit" SEO services do tend to use frowned upon blackhat type of methods to induce faster results.. but I'm wondering are any of these results long lasting? Surely when the sudden influx of backlinks stops SE's will pick up on it right?

                                  Once you build backlinks at a steady rate for a period of time, and then stop, doesn't that usually hurt your rankings?
                                  Ask Sally Rand, he knows all about that shit

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                                    • chaze
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2002
                                      • 9774
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Konda
                                      It works, but it depends on how you use it. It will be short-term if you don't know what you are doing, but if you know what you are doing it can work very well, but it's always risky
                                      very very risky
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                                        • wdsguy
                                          Ryde or Die
                                          • Dec 2002
                                          • 19568
                                          #11
                                          Jesus H Christ

                                          I'm trying to get better at organic seo for our sites - I'm not a newbie at seo but
                                          Any recommendations on how to broaden our knowledge and keep current?

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                                            • V_RocKs
                                              Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                              • Nov 2003
                                              • 32448
                                              #12
                                              For the server guy: You aren't sharing a cash cow. You are selling backlinks that are a few clicks of a button. You take someones $5, $10,$15 whatever and you cut and paste into one spot and click a button. Do this 20 times a day and even at the small rate you are making enough bank to set you up great in most third and second world countries.

                                              For the buyer: As a test of what it can do? For perhaps $75 you can make a real go of it. Done correctly you can see that buying it might be worth it to you. Or it might not and then you'd know it will not be.

                                              For the seller again: He made his money whether or not it worked for you or not.

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                                                • SallyRand
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Jan 2008
                                                  • 3487
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Diomed
                                                  Never have used any blackhat seo services before,

                                                  but always wondered if they did more damage than good.

                                                  I know a lot of so called "legit" SEO services do tend to use frowned upon blackhat type of methods to induce faster results.. but I'm wondering are any of these results long lasting? Surely when the sudden influx of backlinks stops SE's will pick up on it right?

                                                  Once you build backlinks at a steady rate for a period of time, and then stop, doesn't that usually hurt your rankings?
                                                  No matter what you do, you wil get complaints from someone, sometime. Sort f depends on whether or not you want to dance with Google and WAIT for traffic or if you want to DRIVE traffic to your sites.

                                                  An easy way to put it:

                                                  Are you like a vulture waiting for something to die:



                                                  Or are you like this guy who has decided to go ut and KILL something?:



                                                  I do recommend that you purchase Xrumer services as the learning curve for Xrumer is pretty steep.

                                                  Scrapebox is much easier and wilil get you tons of links and any link is better than no link.

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                                                    • O MARINA
                                                      I'm clockin' ya, Versace shade watchin' ya
                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                      • 13794
                                                      #14
                                                      I just sent you an email, hit me up when you have time

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                                                        • fris
                                                          I have to go potty
                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                          • 55742
                                                          #15
                                                          short term solution, if you want to get your domain blacklisted, sure tryit.
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                                                            • AdultKing
                                                              Raise Your Weapon
                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                              • 15601
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by SallyRand
                                                              No matter what you do, you wil get complaints from someone, sometime. Sort f depends on whether or not you want to dance with Google and WAIT for traffic or if you want to DRIVE traffic to your sites.
                                                              Sally Rand knows all about marketing, for proof look at this successful site he runs.

                                                              www.adultadsusa.com

                                                              Obviously he knows his shit, this site just overflows with his success in this area!
                                                              Last edited by AdultKing; 06-30-2011, 02:33 PM.

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                                                                • SallyRand
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Jan 2008
                                                                  • 3487
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by AdultKing
                                                                  Sally Rand knows all about marketing, for proof look at this successful site he runs.

                                                                  www.adultadsusa.com

                                                                  Obviously he knows his shit, this site just overflows with his success in this area!
                                                                  I think I'll start doing some free promo work for AdultKing via Xrumer and Scrapebox.

                                                                  It would be the least I could do considering all the fine support AdultKing has lent to me on this forum.

                                                                  Whattaya think?

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                                                                    • marlboroack
                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                      • Jul 2010
                                                                      • 9327
                                                                      #18
                                                                      I know some good SEO back doors

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                                                                        • AINOKEA
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jul 2007
                                                                          • 134
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Did google panda have an effect on xrumer? Seems like that was that kind of SE gaming that lead to the update, and would have decreased the effect of the software. Matt Cutts said there was still a way to game it, but of course that is supposed to be confidential. Still I wouldn't put it past the black hat guys to already be on the ball with this, even months ago. Clever mother fuckers.

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                                                                            • howardzinn
                                                                              Registered User
                                                                              • May 2005
                                                                              • 76
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by AINOKEA
                                                                              Did google panda have an effect on xrumer?
                                                                              Not really. If anything, sites with a ton of incoming forum profile link generated by xrumer are doing better than ever. Sites with a lot of articles links or weak content got hammered by panda.

                                                                              In one of the niches I am going for, on the first page of google 7 sites are on Russian hosting, presumably owned by russians and 90% of theit incoming links are xrumer spam. The content on half of them is stale or very obviously spam content.

                                                                              But google is STILL xrumers bitch, and if anything it's getting worse. You have to be careful using it, because if you do it in the wrong way google will ban your domain.

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                                                                                • SallyRand
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Jan 2008
                                                                                  • 3487
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by AINOKEA
                                                                                  Did google panda have an effect on xrumer? Seems like that was that kind of SE gaming that lead to the update, and would have decreased the effect of the software. Matt Cutts said there was still a way to game it, but of course that is supposed to be confidential. Still I wouldn't put it past the black hat guys to already be on the ball with this, even months ago. Clever mother fuckers.
                                                                                  Ya think?

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                                                                                    • Jack Sparrow
                                                                                      Almost goners..
                                                                                      • May 2008
                                                                                      • 11420
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Its an effective tool to get your competition banned.

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                                                                                        • Bull Smoke
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Apr 2011
                                                                                          • 115
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Seth Manson
                                                                                          bullshit
                                                                                          Not bullshit. You might get a short term pop, but you are likely to permantently kill your domain in google. Seen it happen many times.

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                                                                                            • Jack Sparrow
                                                                                              Almost goners..
                                                                                              • May 2008
                                                                                              • 11420
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Had it happen. So yeah, great tool to kill your sites or those of your competition if you wanted too.

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                                                                                                • corvette
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                                                  • 7880
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                                                                                  Yes, especially if you use a paid service. I'd never hire a company to BL for me. BUT if you know what your doing Xrumer is a very effective tool. Again, it only a tool, but what you need is a true strategy and most think when the purchase the Xrumer it has it. I've been working with Xrumer daily for 4 years and after learning and improving my method I've never got a complaint or a domain blacklisted unless it was on purpose.

                                                                                                  As mentioned to run effective campaigns you need a network set up correctly. Here's the basic, but as you advance you'll learn much better ways to link just about anywhere you want.


                                                                                                  Great posts JHC, i can say ive learned a lot from them over the past few years
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                                                                                                    • Diomed
                                                                                                      Converting like it's 1999
                                                                                                      • Jan 2009
                                                                                                      • 6167
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Jesus,

                                                                                                      really want to thank you for going out of your way to provide such clarity on the matter.

                                                                                                      I do understand yours winks about the kw research as well, an angle which I had initially overlooked being a bit green about the full dynamics of SEO from the start.

                                                                                                      So basically what your saying is:

                                                                                                      unless you know your complete SEO gameplan from start to finish, and have the perfect place for a service like Xrumer woven in to your network, do not use it.

                                                                                                      For people like me who are just getting into SEO, it wouldn't be a sound idea at all. Especially if I value my domains/sites and don't want them banned permanently.

                                                                                                      I can also see how the Panda update might not necessarily be a bad thing at all for Xrumer, as the service does make your sites look popular.

                                                                                                      Here is a question:

                                                                                                      What if your goal is completely short term, and you don't care about the domain/site/content getting blacklisted from google? Surely there are a lot of success stories of people who use these services for "hit and run" type of sales. As discouraging as it might be to have your sites blacklisted, if you have a minimal investment of time/money and your generating targeted traffic, could you eek out a living?
                                                                                                      10 years of experience in:

                                                                                                      CHAT SALES - PAID TRAFFIC - CONVERSION - CREATIVES - CONSULTATION

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                                                                                                        • Diomed
                                                                                                          Converting like it's 1999
                                                                                                          • Jan 2009
                                                                                                          • 6167
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Jack Sparrow
                                                                                                          Its an effective tool to get your competition banned.
                                                                                                          That is a scary thought,

                                                                                                          but sounds totally possible. Someone buys that service for your domains with the sole intention of fucking you.. Surely there is a way to deny that to google?
                                                                                                          10 years of experience in:

                                                                                                          CHAT SALES - PAID TRAFFIC - CONVERSION - CREATIVES - CONSULTATION

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                                                                                                            • Diomed
                                                                                                              Converting like it's 1999
                                                                                                              • Jan 2009
                                                                                                              • 6167
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by O MARINA
                                                                                                              I just sent you an email, hit me up when you have time
                                                                                                              Hit you up Ms. Marina,

                                                                                                              sorry about the delay.. but was going to contact you (as well as a few others) soon, just getting back into the routine of things as of late. So nice to see you around!
                                                                                                              10 years of experience in:

                                                                                                              CHAT SALES - PAID TRAFFIC - CONVERSION - CREATIVES - CONSULTATION

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                                                                                                                • manchestergirl
                                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                                  • Jun 2011
                                                                                                                  • 4
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  With the Panda update, the Xrumer and SEnukeX services are becoming weaker and weaker. Just remember that 1,000 low quality links from this is usually the equivalent of 1 high quality link from a relevant website.

                                                                                                                  So go out searching for the high quality links, you wont get blacklisted and you get long term rankings

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                                                                                                                    • SallyRand
                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                      • Jan 2008
                                                                                                                      • 3487
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Jack Sparrow
                                                                                                                      Its an effective tool to get your competition banned.
                                                                                                                      It sure can be and there are indeed those out there offering just such services!

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                                                                                                                        • AdultKing
                                                                                                                          Raise Your Weapon
                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                          • 15601
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by SallyRand
                                                                                                                          I think I'll start doing some free promo work for AdultKing via Xrumer and Scrapebox.
                                                                                                                          That would be an extremely serious mistake on your part. Now you have made such a threat, I will be sure to lay blame at your feet if any fluctuation occurs in any of our sites rankings. If I were you I would pull my head in.
                                                                                                                          Last edited by AdultKing; 07-01-2011, 06:34 AM.

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                                                                                                                            • Just Alex
                                                                                                                              Liv Benson to You, Bitch
                                                                                                                              • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                              • 6060
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Jack Sparrow
                                                                                                                              Had it happen. So yeah, great tool to kill your sites or those of your competition if you wanted too.
                                                                                                                              Oh no. Who did it to you?

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                                                                                                                                • d-null
                                                                                                                                  . . .
                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                  • 13724
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  that is another worry, if you are using adsense and google notices and manually reviews you and decides you have a scraped and spammed up the ranks site/network, I wonder if you will get your adsense banned for life on top of the sites being crushed, a lot can be lost by carelessness and/or greed.... too bad adsense is so good and tempting because it interconnects and leaves tracks for everything

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