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charlie g 06-26-2011 10:29 PM
.xxx extortion???
 
Forgive me guys if this has been gone over before because I havent been keeping up with it as close as I should I guess.

Recently got the below email from a registrar which appears to me as extortion. I have domains with several registrars but this is the only one to send an email like this. Seems like a big money grab even if nobody actually uses the .xxx extensions.



Quote:
Dear Customer,

Gandi rarely sends out unsolicited emails, but when we do, it is only in
very special cases. We are taking the liberty of contacting you today
because you are a Gandi customer (with handle XXXXXXXXX-GANDI) and we would
like to inform you of an important event that may be pertinent to you.

Our primary activity is domain name management. It is therefore our duty
to inform you of a new extension (one that may be a bit controversial)
that is about to arrive on the public domain name market: .XXX

The registry in charge of this extension will allow registered trademark
holders to 'block' domains corresponding to their trademark so that is
is not used by third parties who wish to profit of the notoriety of the
said trademark in order to exploit it for adult entertainment purposes.

Beginning on September 1st 2011, .XXX will be the primary extension for
websites of companies in the adult entertainment industry.

As a concrete example, we are going to reserve GANDI.XXX ourselves, so
that nobody else can purchase that domain and use it as they wish in
the future.

One of the particularities of this blockage is that once the domain is
blocked, it cannot be used. Therefore, once we reserve GANDI.XXX, we
will be unable to manage it or even forward it to GANDI.NET: it will
simply be reserved and rendered non-operational.

The second particularity is that the blockage is only paid once: you
pay $200.00 (135.00 or 150.00) excl. VAT for every
trademark/company name that you want to block, and you will not need to
renew this blockage.

There are nonetheless some restrictions with regards to blocking a .XXX
domain name: you must be the legal trademark holder and provide
documents that prove this. Once the information has been verified, and
if you are not in competition with another company with the same
trademark as yours at the end of the pre-registration period (Sunrise),
the domain name will be permanently blocked. No further action will be
possible with this domain, not even a transfer.

If, on the other hand, you are competing with a company with the same
trademark as you, there are two cases:

- The person in question is part of the adult entertainment industry
(Type A): your blockage request will be communicated to this company,
and they will have the possibility of withdrawing their reservation
request. Nonetheless, if it is maintained, the domain will be
attributed to them. Any recovery of the domain must therefore pass by
judicial means (ICANN).
- The person, like yourself, is pursuing brand protection (Type B) :
the Registry will take into account all identical blockage
requests and will register them. Since the domain is blocked, it
belongs to nobody.

Keep in mind that in any case, no brand protection request will be
refunded by the Registry, even if the domain was registered by a type
A customer.

WARNING: Brand protection will only be possible during the 30-day
Sunrise period starting on September 1st 2011 and ending on the 30th.
Beyond this date, brand protection requests will be ignored. Also,
please be aware that the general opening of .XXX will be reserved to the
adult entertainment industry, with a systematic verification of
registrations. This means, therefore, that the only opportunity to
protect your brands is within this so-called 'sunrise' period.

For more information on the launching and the brand protection phases of
the .XXX extension, please visit the gandibar at
http://www.gandibar.net/post/2011/06/07/Release-of-XXX

Sincerely
Nicolas Lhuillery
Product Director
Gandi - http://www.gandi.net

baddog 06-26-2011 10:32 PM
Beginning on September 1st 2011, .XXX will be the primary extension for
websites of companies in the adult entertainment industry.
^Not true^

JFK 06-26-2011 10:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18242144)
Beginning on September 1st 2011, .XXX will be the primary extension for
websites of companies in the adult entertainment industry.
^Not true^
depends on who you ask :winkwink::1orglaugh

Redrob 06-26-2011 11:08 PM
I am going to stick with the .coms.

I think .XXX will be a major fail.

Too many conflicts with existing trademark holders to be successful in my opinion.

Just write ICM and put them on notice that if they sell your mark, you will sue for damages.

munki 06-26-2011 11:33 PM

baddog 06-27-2011 01:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JFK (Post 18242153)
depends on who you ask :winkwink::1orglaugh
Don't confuse him. :2 cents:

u-Bob 06-27-2011 01:19 AM
Got the same email from gandi 2 weeks ago. I had 72 domains there and moved them all away.

To be honest, this is actually a good sign. The ICM knows their intended audience is not interested in buying .xxx domains so now they are trying to scare mainstream businesses in paying some useless protection fee.

On Gandi: As a registrar offering your clients the ability to register .xxx domains is one thing. Spreading FUD to scare your clients into buying protecting is whole other thing.

Fuck the .xxx tld, fuck the icm registry, fuck gandi.

NetHorse 06-27-2011 01:26 AM
"No bullshit".:1orglaugh

MrCain 06-27-2011 01:53 AM
.xxx supporters suck donkey ass.

Dirty Dane 06-27-2011 01:54 AM
If the blockage was meant for every single extension it would be common sense. But with .xxx only, imagine the headlines.

Freaky_Akula 06-27-2011 01:55 AM
No to dotXXX!

InfoGuy 06-27-2011 04:42 PM
Maybe Islamic militants will find out ICM Registry is going to mock their religion with Islam.XXX, Muslim.XXX, Quran.XXX or Muhammed.XXX These types of names will probably not be eligible for brand protection. Salman Rushdie was put on a global hit list for writing "The Satanic Verses".

Alprazolam 06-27-2011 04:49 PM
"Beginning on September 1st 2011, .XXX will be the primary extension for
websites of companies in the adult entertainment industry."

marcop 06-27-2011 05:27 PM
"The registry in charge of this extension will allow registered trademark holders to 'block' domains corresponding to their trademark so that is is not used by third parties who wish to profit of the notoriety of the said trademark in order to exploit it for adult entertainment purposes."

Isn't this redundant? Suddenly trademark holders need to buy a .xxx domain to protect their trademark? That makes no sense to me.

InfoGuy 06-27-2011 05:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcop (Post 18244071)
"The registry in charge of this extension will allow registered trademark holders to 'block' domains corresponding to their trademark so that is is not used by third parties who wish to profit of the notoriety of the said trademark in order to exploit it for adult entertainment purposes."

Isn't this redundant? Suddenly trademark holders need to buy a .xxx domain to protect their trademark? That makes no sense to me.
This is exactly what ICM Registry and their registrars are doing. Fucking hypocrites.

BFT3K 06-27-2011 05:40 PM
All .XXX websites contain viruses inherently. Their business model is designed to force surfers to buy expensive virus protection software, otherwise their computers will be attacked.

Surfers aren't going to like these gangster-like methods devised by the .XXX thieves. It is clearly MUCH SAFER to just visit the tried-and-true .COM websites.

Damn, I just got another fucking virus visiting a .XXX site! Thieving Fuckers! Someone should block all of these .XXX sites. I don't want my kids visiting them, that's for sure!

Feel free to pass on this misinformation. Get your message out before they do.

Protect your investments!

Also, did you know that all profits from .XXX domain names are funneled into terrorist groups, determined to attack the US!

(or maybe not - who knows for sure?)

baddog 06-27-2011 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 18244085)
This is exactly what ICM Registry and their registrars are doing. Fucking hypocrites.
ummm, is there another registry that offers this for any sTLD or gTLD? At any price?

Just wondering. I don't know of one.

DBS.US 06-27-2011 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18244094)
All .XXX websites contain viruses inherently. Their business model is designed to force surfers to buy expensive virus protection software, otherwise their computers will be attacked.

Surfers aren't going to like these gangster-like methods devised by the .XXX thieves. It is clearly MUCH SAFER to just visit the tried-and-true .COM websites.

Damn, I just got another fucking virus visiting a .XXX site! Thieving Fuckers! Someone should block all of these .XXX sites. I don't want my kids visiting them, that's for sure!

Feel free to pass on this misinformation. Get your message out before they do.

Protect your investments!

Also, did you know that all profits from .XXX domain names are funneled into terrorist groups, determined to attack the US!

(or maybe not - who knows for sure?)
This is true. I wish I had a copy of that email that is going to go viral talking about the .xxx virus and how bad it fucks up PC computers and even macs! Can anyone come up with something?:winkwink:

baddog 06-27-2011 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcop (Post 18244071)

Isn't this redundant? Suddenly trademark holders need to buy a .xxx domain to protect their trademark? That makes no sense to me.
You should put my video on one screen and listen while you work, this is covered. In a nutshell, no one is forcing anyone with a trademarked name to buy .xxx. They are allowing you to purchase the domain and not use it for about $200. You can pass up the offer and if someone buys the .xxx version of your trademarked name you can spend a few grand to get it back.

marcop 06-27-2011 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18244244)
You should put my video on one screen and listen while you work, this is covered. In a nutshell, no one is forcing anyone with a trademarked name to buy .xxx. They are allowing you to purchase the domain and not use it for about $200. You can pass up the offer and if someone buys the .xxx version of your trademarked name you can spend a few grand to get it back.
So it's a protection racket? "Nice trademark you got there... you wouldn't want anything bad to happen to it, would you? For just $200, we can make any problems go away."

Rochard 06-27-2011 08:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18244244)
You should put my video on one screen and listen while you work, this is covered. In a nutshell, no one is forcing anyone with a trademarked name to buy .xxx. They are allowing you to purchase the domain and not use it for about $200. You can pass up the offer and if someone buys the .xxx version of your trademarked name you can spend a few grand to get it back.
So bascially you can register the domain at the insane price of $60, or ensure no one ever uses the domain for $200? That's... Extortion.

http://blog-well.com/wp-content/uplo.../extortion.jpg

Spudstr 06-27-2011 08:26 PM
They figure the price of 200 per domain or the price it will cost you for an attorney to send a C&D.. which one is cheaper for you?

Get enough people together and you could do a class action of sorts.. i'm not lawyer but anything can happen in todays world.

TheSquealer 06-27-2011 08:26 PM
edit: hahaha. wrong thread

baddog 06-27-2011 08:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18244308)
So bascially you can register the domain at the insane price of $60, or ensure no one ever uses the domain for $200? That's... Extortion.

http://blog-well.com/wp-content/uplo.../extortion.jpg
If you say so.

charlie g 06-27-2011 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18244318)
If you say so.
Uh, it's exactly like extortion. Pay $200 or something bad will happen to you. If the adult community doesn't buy into the xxx scheme maybe they can scare mainstream into paying "protection money".

AsianPimp 06-27-2011 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redrob (Post 18242167)
I am going to stick with the .coms.

I think .XXX will be a major fail.
I'm going to agree with this one.. Whatever they're asking is too much for something will never work.. unless someone will make it a LAW.. :disgust

JFK 06-27-2011 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcop (Post 18244304)
So it's a protection racket? "Nice trademark you got there... you wouldn't want anything bad to happen to it, would you? For just $200, we can make any problems go away."
http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/galle...1/t/z01979.jpg

S P A N N O W 06-27-2011 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18244308)
That's... Extortion.
Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 18244336)
...it's exactly like extortion.

Tempest 06-27-2011 11:03 PM
I'm certainly not pro .xxx, but I really don't understand all this talk about extortion.. With any other tld out there, you either buy up all your domains on them or you don't.. If you don't, someone else can come along and use them... With .xxx they're providing a way to block anyone from using it while not having to buy and renew it every year so you end up saving money in the long run.

baddog 06-27-2011 11:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18244502)
I'm certainly not pro .xxx, but I really don't understand all this talk about extortion.. With any other tld out there, you either buy up all your domains on them or you don't.. If you don't, someone else can come along and use them... With .xxx they're providing a way to block anyone from using it while not having to buy and renew it every year so you end up saving money in the long run.
Common sense has no place here.

ottopottomouse 06-28-2011 04:31 AM
Quote:
WARNING: Brand protection will only be possible during the 30-day
Sunrise period starting on September 1st 2011 and ending on the 30th.
Beyond this date, brand protection requests will be ignored. Also,
please be aware that the general opening of .XXX will be reserved to the
adult entertainment industry, with a systematic verification of
registrations. This means, therefore, that the only opportunity to
protect your brands is within this so-called 'sunrise' period.
Does that mean that future successful brands not yet existing are not going to be able to put in a blocking request in say december 2011. Surely the xxx people will want to be accepting new applicants paying the blocking fee forever?

MaDalton 06-28-2011 06:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18244502)
I'm certainly not pro .xxx, but I really don't understand all this talk about extortion.. With any other tld out there, you either buy up all your domains on them or you don't.. If you don't, someone else can come along and use them... With .xxx they're providing a way to block anyone from using it while not having to buy and renew it every year so you end up saving money in the long run.
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18244545)
Common sense has no place here.
i heard that a couple of time already, but it's not the same.

if i register bigboob.in or bigboobs.co.nz it's not the same as if i register bigboobs.xxx when .xxx is promoted as the "premier tld" for adult

BFT3K 06-28-2011 06:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 18244243)
This is true. I wish I had a copy of that email that is going to go viral talking about the .xxx virus and how bad it fucks up PC computers and even macs! Can anyone come up with something?:winkwink:
And don't forget, the government will be running a Big Brother Style database, specifically tracking all .XXX visitors, and their behaviors. In fact, the government will be using .XXX to monitor and prosecute surfers, in hopes of squashing the adult industry.

...or not... who cares if it's true - start your own negative .XXX advertising campaign ASAP, before you are fucked! Start posting on mainstream boards, Twitter, FB, wherever.... GO!

POISON THE .XXX WELL, BEFORE PEOPLE BELIEVE IT IS SAFE TO DRINK FROM IT!

charlie g 06-28-2011 08:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18244502)
I'm certainly not pro .xxx, but I really don't understand all this talk about extortion.. With any other tld out there, you either buy up all your domains on them or you don't.. If you don't, someone else can come along and use them... With .xxx they're providing a way to block anyone from using it while not having to buy and renew it every year so you end up saving money in the long run.
Oh. I understand what baddog was getting at... because I am slow and I dont want to be CONFUSED (condescending prick). The .xxx works exactly as any other tld....if I have a trademark but I dont register ALL of the tlds anyone can use them. I didnt know that.

Very nice of them to give pattysflowershop.com a bargain of only $200 to protect her name from the " primary extension for websites of companies in the adult entertainment industry and so that is not used by third parties who wish to profit of the notoriety of the
said trademark in order to exploit it for adult entertainment purposes".

Sorry, at the very least I see a sales pitch here. It appears to me they are trying to scare mainstream into purchasing "protection". In the spiel the email used the "concrete" example they were protecting gandi.net against the sinister perverts. But my question is why? Why is there a need to protect that name from an adult site "capitalizing on the trademark"....it makes no sense. It is a scare tactic to drum up a few dollars...period. If it wasn't, why wouldn't they send out an email like this with every new tld?

I havent listened to baddog's video because I dont really give a shit. He may have great insight but he seems like a crotchety old fuck and a legend in his own mind. :1orglaugh










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u-Bob 06-28-2011 08:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18244545)
Common sense has no place here.
There's a difference between "common sense" on the one hand and ignoring the fact that we are dealing here with an organization here that has lied about just about anything and buying into the rationalizations that ICM is using on the other hand.

epitome 06-28-2011 08:49 AM
I am as anxious to order my .xxx as I was to order my .biz and .ws extensions.

Oh wait, I don't own any .ws and .biz on my domains.

If most of us don't even both registering the .net (unless we have a huge traffic site), why the hell would we get the .xxx unless its mandatory?

epitome 06-28-2011 08:55 AM
Fuck paying ICM:

http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/teas/index.jsp

Register your sites name as a trademark for a one-time fee of $325 online and then go through the dispute process when and if someone registers the .xxx.

Plus it'll protect you for all of the other extensions you do not want to defensively register...if you are willing to go through the dispute process once someone does.

MaDalton 06-28-2011 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18245196)
Fuck paying ICM:

http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/teas/index.jsp

Register your sites name as a trademark for a one-time fee of $325 online and then go through the dispute process when and if someone registers the .xxx.

Plus it'll protect you for all of the other extensions you do not want to defensively register...if you are willing to go through the dispute process once someone does.
you can't register something like "bigblackcocks.com" as trademark

BFT3K 06-28-2011 09:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18245219)
you can't register something like "bigblackcocks.com" as trademark
If you have a logo for "bigblackcocks.com" you can register the artwork - words on the other hand, is a much more difficult task, I agree.

I once paid around $550 to apply for a trademark for a project I was working on, and it was rejected (as text), and I was out the money. If I had submitted the same, as artwork, I would likely have been successful.

MaDalton 06-28-2011 09:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18245223)
If you have a logo for "bigblackcocks.com" you can register the artwork - words on the other hand, is a much more difficult task, I agree.

I once paid around $550 to apply for a trademark for a project I was working on, and it was rejected (as text), and I was out the money. If I had submitted the same, as artwork, I would likely have been successful.
registering the artwork wouldn't help in this case ;)

but with all generic terms you're out of luck - thats where the extortion comes into the picture in the .xxx case

baddog 06-28-2011 10:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18244966)
i heard that a couple of time already, but it's not the same.

if i register bigboob.in or bigboobs.co.nz it's not the same as if i register bigboobs.xxx when .xxx is promoted as the "premier tld" for adult

Who is promoting .xxx as the premier tld for adult?

Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 18245131)
Oh. I understand what baddog was getting at... because I am slow and I dont want to be CONFUSED (condescending prick). The .xxx works exactly as any other tld....if I have a trademark but I dont register ALL of the tlds anyone can use them. I didnt know that.

Very nice of them to give pattysflowershop.com a bargain of only $200 to protect her name from the " primary extension for websites of companies in the adult entertainment industry and so that is not used by third parties who wish to profit of the notoriety of the
said trademark in order to exploit it for adult entertainment purposes".

Sorry, at the very least I see a sales pitch here. It appears to me they are trying to scare mainstream into purchasing "protection". In the spiel the email used the "concrete" example they were protecting gandi.net against the sinister perverts. But my question is why? Why is there a need to protect that name from an adult site "capitalizing on the trademark"....it makes no sense. It is a scare tactic to drum up a few dollars...period. If it wasn't, why wouldn't they send out an email like this with every new tld?

I havent listened to baddog's video because I dont really give a shit. He may have great insight but he seems like a crotchety old fuck and a legend in his own mind. :1orglaugh

.
Perhaps my wording was too harsh for you, that was not my intent. I said the email you got had false info in it. JFK said it depended on who you ask. My point is that it does not matter who you ask, it still is not true.

As far as the video is concerned, it is of the .xxx panel at YNOT, not my own personal opinion. Your decision to not watch it only prevents you from educating yourself, it does not affect me in any way. I put it up as a service to those that want to hear things from people that know more than you or me.

MaDalton 06-28-2011 10:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18245419)
Who is promoting .xxx as the premier tld for adult?
ahh, come on, don't troll me

baddog 06-28-2011 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18245449)
ahh, come on, don't troll me
ICM? Someone else? If ICM, aren't they doing what they promised (to send traffic to .xxx sites). I think you are giving them far too much credit if you think the general public thinks .xxx is the premier tld for adult.

BFT3K 06-28-2011 12:26 PM
The adult industry nitwits, who are suddenly drinking the .XXX kool-Aid, are just about as stupid as human beings can possibly be!

"Look at me, I want to create a way for adult to be banned, filtered, and compartmentalized, as soon as possible! I want less freedom please! I am a moron!"

Idiots...

just a punk 06-28-2011 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18242259)
Fuck the .xxx tld, fuck the icm registry, fuck gandi.
Quoted fro truth.

MaDalton 06-28-2011 01:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18245558)
ICM? Someone else? If ICM, aren't they doing what they promised (to send traffic to .xxx sites). I think you are giving them far too much credit if you think the general public thinks .xxx is the premier tld for adult.
besides ICM just read the email at the top - but that was not my point, at this time it also doesnt matter at all what the public thinks or not thinks.

the point is, that when i own bigboobs.com i dont give a shit if someone owns bigboobs.in - because .in is worthless for adult traffic.

but i do give a shit if someone but me owns bigboobs.xxx - in case .xxx turns out to be a success. so i am right at this point extorted into buying or blocking that domain to protect my .com and my income.

and because i cannot register a trademark for bigboobs.com, i have no other chance to get it later.

do you understand me now?

baddog 06-28-2011 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18245785)
besides ICM just read the email at the top - but that was not my point, at this time it also doesnt matter at all what the public thinks or not thinks.

the point is, that when i own bigboobs.com i dont give a shit if someone owns bigboobs.in - because .in is worthless for adult traffic.

but i do give a shit if someone but me owns bigboobs.xxx - in case .xxx turns out to be a success. so i am right at this point extorted into buying or blocking that domain to protect my .com and my income.

and because i cannot register a trademark for bigboobs.com, i have no other chance to get it later.

do you understand me now?
If .xxx is going to be blocked everywhere how is that scenario even possible?

Anthony 06-28-2011 03:39 PM
Ahhhh. Gandi.net - The preferred registrars for mail spammers back in the day.

porno jew 06-28-2011 03:41 PM
looks like chris lebrun's replacement has been hired.

Anthony 06-28-2011 03:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18244308)
So bascially you can register the domain at the insane price of $60, or ensure no one ever uses the domain for $200? That's... Extortion.

http://blog-well.com/wp-content/uplo.../extortion.jpg
Right hand, left eye dominant. I used to have to shoot like that till one of my instructors fixed it.

back on topic, fuck .xxx wait till the lobbying really starts in earnest in DC for all porn sites to be under .xxx "For the safety of the children".


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