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MaDalton 06-23-2011 11:15 AM

EU puts up new laws for online shopping: no pre-checked x-sales, no hidden fees, 14 days cooling-off
 
the EU works on new consumer laws regarding online shopping, a few of them could be crucial for adult online as well - like no pre-checked x-sales:

Quote:

EU Commissioner for Fundamental Rights Viviane Reding said: ‘‘It will end abuse, for example the extra charges on credit cards, boxes that are already pre-selected on websites, or when we have to purchase something extra when all we want to buy is a plane ticket and not a meal or insurance. Such unforced purchases, will not exist in the future.’‘
http://www.euronews.net/2011/06/23/e...nsumer-rights/


or a general 14 day cooling-off period

Quote:

A 14-calendar-day cooling-off period for online purchases. In many countries, such as the UK, shoppers have seven working days to return items bought on the internet that they do not want to keep
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13894342


interesting...

marketsmart 06-23-2011 11:19 AM

i wonder if that will mean that US webmasters using EU processing will have to comply..






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Alprazolam 06-23-2011 11:40 AM

means absolutely nothing to anyone billing adult online memberships. zero.

sponsorpimp 06-23-2011 11:48 AM

It still has to be passed in 2013 by all member states! all it takes is 1 member state to say no and it?s not voted through. I really can?t see EU member states who do not have the EURO as their currency voting for it. :2 cents:

Kolargol 06-23-2011 11:55 AM

WHy would it have something to do with having Euro as currency?

Sly 06-23-2011 11:57 AM

How does that work with digital products?

MaDalton 06-23-2011 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sponsorpimp (Post 18235760)
It still has to be passed in 2013 by all member states! all it takes is 1 member state to say no and it?s not voted through. I really can?t see EU member states who do not have the EURO as their currency voting for it. :2 cents:

i don't see any relation to the currency.

and as far i understand it has passed th EU level, that means they have already voted yes. they now have until 2013 to incorporate it into local law, but can do it earlier if they want to. Germany has already announced to be faster than 2013


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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18235782)
How does that work with digital products?

i am wondering that too about the "cooling-off period", but no pre-checked xsales and no hidden fees would certainly apply to them.

it's also a very common scam to trick people into memberships or products by hiding pricing information and then sending invoices (just think Acai Berries and the like). in the future you would have to have a fat button you have to click to confirm that you know about that you gonna be charged.

MaDalton 06-23-2011 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sponsorpimp (Post 18235760)
It still has to be passed in 2013 by all member states! all it takes is 1 member state to say no and it?s not voted through. I really can?t see EU member states who do not have the EURO as their currency voting for it. :2 cents:

btw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon

no EU country alone can block decisions like that anymore

Kolargol 06-23-2011 12:33 PM

[QUOTE=MaDalton;18235693]In many countries, such as the UK, shoppers have seven working days to return items bought on the internet that they do not want to keep QUOTE]


How does it work now for UK adult webmasters?

MaDalton 06-23-2011 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 18235848)
How does it work now for UK adult webmasters?

in germany it's already 14 days - and for mainstream webmasters it results in a high cancellation rate. someone recently told me that for an online shoe shop he promotes about 25-30% of his sales are cancelled.

online memberships are not yet affected by this law as far as i know, only retail

SZNY 06-23-2011 12:49 PM

interesting

Barry-xlovecam 06-23-2011 02:32 PM

For a single purchase a pre-checked package is a no-no?

Anyone have a link to the published law?

News reports often omit important details ...

ladida 06-23-2011 02:36 PM

If that goes, more programs gona get sold :)

MaDalton 06-23-2011 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18236202)
For a single purchase a pre-checked package is a no-no?

Anyone have a link to the published law?

News reports often omit important details ...

it now being translated into law for every single EU country and every country might have a different interpretation on some aspects. i'm not sure if a EU law does exist of if it's more like a guideline

MaDalton 06-23-2011 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18236202)
For a single purchase a pre-checked package is a no-no?

Anyone have a link to the published law?

News reports often omit important details ...

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/en/pre...-line-shopping

it's somewhere in there

alias 06-23-2011 02:48 PM

I hope I will be able to refund cam shows.

Tasty1 06-23-2011 02:52 PM

In Holland cookies will be forbidden within 2 years.
Webmaster don't know what to do yet, maybe a pop up for every cookie.

Klen 06-23-2011 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 18236248)
In Holland cookies will be forbidden within 2 years.
Webmaster don't know what to do yet, maybe a pop up for every cookie.

What about ip tracking or whitelabels?

Barry-xlovecam 06-23-2011 03:25 PM

Cookies are a minor issue for us ? session data stores most items (including affiliate codes) and the IP is used for no cookie clients.

Credit card charges have always been at risk for the allowed charge back time frame more than 90 days in all events. However, publicly asserting the right of a 14 day cooling off period might cause some major charge back problems.

MaDalton 06-23-2011 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18236355)
Cookies are a minor issue for us ? session data stores most items (including affiliate codes) and the IP is used for no cookie clients.

Credit card charges have always been at risk for the allowed charge back time frame more than 90 days in all events. However, publicly asserting the right of a 14 day cooling off period might cause some major charge back problems.

well, more are refund problem as long as you comply

but the questions is still if it will apply to online memberships/downloadable products - cant figure that out yet

InfoGuy 06-23-2011 03:45 PM

It's very surprising that major credit card companies and banks aren't fighting back against the "cooling off" period. I would imagine they have the most at stake with higher chargebacks or refunds.

L3 Payments 06-23-2011 03:46 PM

Thank you for sharing that with everyone!

Sly 06-23-2011 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18236367)
well, more are refund problem as long as you comply

but the questions is still if it will apply to online memberships/downloadable products - cant figure that out yet

I wonder if service providers will have the ability to deny customers. For example, I rent videos on Amazon fairly often. I could start charging back the videos, perhaps Amazon could just ban me.

This cooling off period seems strange to me. Most online retailers offer refunds anyway, forcing policies like this doesn't seem good for anyone involved.

MaDalton 06-23-2011 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18236415)
I wonder if service providers will have the ability to deny customers. For example, I rent videos on Amazon fairly often. I could start charging back the videos, perhaps Amazon could just ban me.

This cooling off period seems strange to me. Most online retailers offer refunds anyway, forcing policies like this doesn't seem good for anyone involved.

i guess they want to force ALL online retailers to offer refunds - to weed out the black sheep

or more the other way round: all consumers get the same rights no matter where they buy


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