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Brujah 06-19-2011 10:10 AM

BitCoin fraud, theft
 
Anyone who loses their wallet.dat file has no way of recovering the Bitcoins it contains, since the currency has no central authority to appeal to. One Bitcoin early-adopter discovered just how painful this can be when they lost 25,000 Bitcoins to a hacking attack - worth around $500,000 at the time of the theft.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/on...ts-are-on.html

BlackCrayon 06-19-2011 10:11 AM

i don't get this whole bitcoin thing...

Agent 488 06-19-2011 10:12 AM

they should contact their local police department or internet cyber crimes division.

u-Bob 06-19-2011 10:13 AM

Anyone who loses their wallet has no way of recovering the dollars it contains.....

seeandsee 06-19-2011 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 18226109)
Anyone who loses their wallet.dat file has no way of recovering the Bitcoins it contains, since the currency has no central authority to appeal to. One Bitcoin early-adopter discovered just how painful this can be when they lost 25,000 Bitcoins to a hacking attack - worth around $500,000 at the time of the theft.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/on...ts-are-on.html

:warning is that for real, where to sell that?:2 cents:

Agent 488 06-19-2011 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 18226126)
:warning is that for real, where to sell that?:2 cents:

https://mtgox.com/

Chosen 06-19-2011 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 18226126)
:warning is that for real, where to sell that?:2 cents:

There were a few bitcoin threads on GFY lately, so I guess it's for real :pimp

fris 06-19-2011 11:33 AM

no way will it ever become a serious payment medium

Agent 488 06-19-2011 11:35 AM

too volatile right now. in the time you find someone to exchange them they could be worthless.

L-Pink 06-19-2011 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18226111)
i don't get this whole bitcoin thing...

Me either.

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Agent 488 06-19-2011 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18226264)
Me either.

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think ben bernake replaced by a dungeon master and adam smith by gary gygax.

Wizzo 06-19-2011 04:30 PM

WOW gold is more stable and won't get hammered by the governments around the world and though Bitcoins are worth more now, they won't be for long...:winkwink:

DBS.US 06-19-2011 04:41 PM

Why would anyone keep $500,000 in any account like that? Shit I never keep over $100 in my Paypal.

rowan 06-19-2011 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 18226644)
Why would anyone keep $500,000 in any account like that? Shit I never keep over $100 in my Paypal.

Probably because the value is so volatile. A year ago 25,000BTC was worth fuck all. Can you imagine a modest investment growing by 100 or 1,000 times in a year or two? I guess he got caught by greed (and a little stupidity by not properly securing his wallet)

The other catch with wallets is that it doesn't need to be a CURRENT copy in order for someone to take over and send your BTC to somewhere else. If you throw out a HD that has an obscure backup of a wallet from 3 years ago, and some or all of those coins have not yet been spent by you, whoever acquires that old wallet can get at them.

It's relatively easy to get started with bitcoins but there's a lot to get your head around. Security is possibly the most important part, since you cannot have an authority reverse a fraudulent transaction, yet many people are probably blissfully unaware of what can happen if you don't secure your wallet.

Agent 488 06-19-2011 05:26 PM

the money was most likely stolen with the aid of the bitcoin wallet targeting tojan making the rounds.

plus there is the problem of finding enough people to make the conversions into real currency.

Serge Litehead 06-19-2011 06:36 PM

if you loose cash - it's most likely gone

Agent 488 06-19-2011 06:40 PM

if someone hacking into my bank account, puts fraudulent charges on my cc = covered.

if someone hacks my bitcoin wallet = not covered.

GAMEFINEST 06-19-2011 06:40 PM

they need to contact somebody

adultzone 06-19-2011 06:49 PM

I really dont understand about bitcoin

epitome 06-19-2011 06:54 PM

At what point, if ever, does bitcoin become currency?

Or is it more of a way to track bartering? Would someone pay a designer in 500 bitcoin who would turn around and give it to their host to cover their monthly cost and so-on?

I take it there is no way to cash out for government currency? Or is there?

Serge Litehead 06-19-2011 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18226826)
At what point, if ever, does bitcoin become currency?

Or is it more of a way to track bartering? Would someone pay a designer in 500 bitcoin who would turn around and give it to their host to cover their monthly cost and so-on?

I take it there is no way to cash out for government currency? Or is there?

This is how it works:

For each new transaction you can generate new unique address. If both clients use unique, only known to them addresses, you won't be able to track where exactly those bitcoins went after you've sent them, and with such you won't be able to trace any other transactions.

If whoever you send bitcoins and their receiving parties use single addresses, made publicly available, then these coins could be traced and know to whom they went.

Agent 488 06-19-2011 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18226826)
At what point, if ever, does bitcoin become currency?

Or is it more of a way to track bartering? Would someone pay a designer in 500 bitcoin who would turn around and give it to their host to cover their monthly cost and so-on?

I take it there is no way to cash out for government currency? Or is there?

there are exchanges to cash out bitcoins into real currency but after the biggest exchange (90% of all the transactions) got hacked last week and their database of passwords dumped online they are shut down for now, as is the second biggest exchange.

but with valuations of bitcoins oscillating so wildly - from 0 to 30 now down to 0 today - i can't see how you effectively price anything in bt until the price stabilizes somewhat, which wont happen for a very very long time.

u-Bob 06-20-2011 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18226826)
At what point, if ever, does bitcoin become currency?

Or is it more of a way to track bartering? Would someone pay a designer in 500 bitcoin who would turn around and give it to their host to cover their monthly cost and so-on?

any intermediary medium of exchange is per definition money. people are already using bitcoins to pay hosting bills, domain registrations, designers etc

Emil 06-20-2011 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 18226644)
Why would anyone keep $500,000 in any account like that? Shit I never keep over $100 in my Paypal.

Yeah, I would put 450,000 on a USB-memory and burn it out on CDs and just keep it in the closet.

rowan 06-20-2011 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Emil (Post 18227264)
Yeah, I would put 450,000 on a USB-memory and burn it out on CDs and just keep it in the closet.

Coming soon no doubt: a trojan that hunts your hard drive sectors for the footprints of a deleted wallet.dat file. As I mentioned above, an updated wallet doesn't supercede any previous copies, so an older version may still let an attacker clear you out.

nation-x 06-20-2011 06:04 AM

Bitcoin is doomed anyway... my opinion.

PornGreen 06-20-2011 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 18226109)
when they lost 25,000 Bitcoins to a hacking attack - worth around fuck all because no one is going to pay $500,000 for your worthless bitcoins.

fixed this for you

rowan 06-20-2011 11:14 AM

http://thsrv.com/p/bitcoinbitchin.png

martinsc 06-20-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 18228237)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

CaptainHowdy 06-20-2011 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18226113)
they should contact their local police department or internet cyber crimes division.

http://www.worldmusiclink.com/wml/fi...et.preview.jpg

JamesGw 06-20-2011 02:33 PM

Bitcoins area cool idea, but I dont' think they'll stick for this reason and a few others.

mayabong 06-20-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18226111)
i don't get this whole bitcoin thing...

I dont get the whole twitter thing, but yep there it is.

Jakez 06-20-2011 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18226111)
i don't get this whole bitcoin thing...

:2 cents:

rowan 06-20-2011 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 18228416)

C'mon, no one's come up with a joke about the cyber police backtracing the transactions? It's perfect for bitcoins! :1orglaugh

Coup 06-20-2011 06:52 PM

bitcoin is bullshit :2 cents:

Agent 488 06-20-2011 06:53 PM

bitcoin in the people's currency.


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