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06-17-2011, 04:43 AM

I'd like to put forth a hypothetical.

How would tubes, forums and file sharing sites deal with a swamp of uploads to tubes and filesharing sites of popular video titles that were corrupt ?

The idea is simple, grab your popular porn video titles, make the first and last 10 minutes look ok and then randomly intersperse shampoo and toothpaste commercials at random intervals at a great enough frequency to make the title unwatchable.

Consider a room full of Indians in Mumbai all with VPN access swamping tubes, forums and file upload sites with these poisoned files. I don't mean a few hundred, I mean tens of thousands.

How would tubes, forums and file upload sites deal with this ? They would be forced to undertake editorial control and thus lose their protection under DMCA.

For those outside the scope of US laws anyway, this would cause a major headache, hurting the business model somewhat.

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06-17-2011, 04:52 AM

Delete the uploaders account?

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06-17-2011, 04:53 AM

Thousands up uploader accounts at over a hundred (virtual) geographic locations.

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06-17-2011, 05:19 AM

you do realize that people watch the movies

and will flag that shit for free right

a tube site doesn't need to do anything to stop that

hell if you really wanted to script such a ban automatically just get new videos to show to 5% of the viewers and then only promote the videos with an reasonable and uniform accepted rating to the 95%.

that would virtually nulify this "solution" and not give up one bit of the safe harbor.

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06-17-2011, 05:19 AM

I have a small niche tube that I will catch people occasionally hotlinking videos.

What I do is replace that video with something that is borderline cp. Like a little kid dancing around in its underwear or something. The hotlinker now has a video displaying on their site titled something horrific about cum guzzling whores while showing a little kid dancing around.

The hotlinking stops.

Tubes clearly dont screen the videos that are uploaded. Splice in some borderline CP shit and watch how quick they start paying attention to uploads.

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06-17-2011, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by gideongallery

you do realize that people watch the movies

and will flag that shit for free right

a tube site doesn't need to do anything to stop that

hell if you really wanted to script such a ban automatically just get new videos to show to 5% of the viewers and then only promote the videos with an reasonable and uniform accepted rating to the 95%.

that would virtually nulify this "solution" and not give up one bit of the safe harbor.

Ok then create a few thousand viewer accounts and flag everything, often, every hour, the idea here is disruption.
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06-17-2011, 05:32 AM

this is what the music companies did with file sharing I believe

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06-17-2011, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by arock10

this is what the music companies did with file sharing I believe

Correct, however this mainly affected peer to peer. With the strategy I propose even before the video is viewed, the processing time of the servers on which these videos are uploaded is being wasted on garbage.

The idea here is disruption and adding to the cost of these tubes, forums and file sharing sites doing business.
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06-17-2011, 05:40 AM

Go for it, see how far you get
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06-17-2011, 05:40 AM

I might have a better idea. There used to be a group which put out shock sites. I think their name was "Last Measure" or something of the like. Anyway one popular tactic they used was to trick people into visiting their sites where it would display images like ******* and have a voice announce something really loud such as "HEY EVERYBODY! I'M LOOKING AT GAY PORNO!!" Here's a Youtube video which kind of shows it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kui6cCu6tfA

So this might be a good tactic too. Just try to make it as loud as possible at their current volume. You could also be sneaky and make the volume for the first 30 seconds really low in order to trick them into turning it up higher...then hit them. The idea being to embarrass them and get them pissed at the site hosting the videos. If this is too strong for you maybe funny but guilt inducing messages might also be effective. "DOES YOUR WIFE KNOW YOU ARE ON THIS SITE?", "HOPE YOU COVERED YOUR TRACKS WELL ENOUGH IN YOUR BROWSER HISTORY", "WHAT WOULD YOUR PREACHER SAY???" ;)

Another trick which might be worth a shot could be to scare them. Put up a blurb 30 seconds into the video, ATTENTION! ATTENTION! YOU ARE WATCHING AN ILLEGAL COPY OF A COPYRIGHTED VIDEO AND YOU MAY BE COMMITTING A FELONY. CURRENTLY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND COMPANY INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY DEFENSE ATTORNEYS ARE CONDUCTING STINGS TO IDENTIFY AND PUNISH VIOLATORS SUCH AS YOURSELF. PLEASE CLOSE THIS VIDEO AND LEAVE THIS SITE IMMEDIATELY OR RISK PROSECUTION!"

The average person is dumb enough where it will work.

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06-17-2011, 05:48 AM

Wouldn't it be good if there was a way to encode a video that would rely on inefficiencies in ffmpeg to cause it to slow to a crawl ?

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06-17-2011, 05:54 AM

some very creative ideas in this thread!
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06-17-2011, 05:55 AM

Borderline cp is the answer.

You start uploading hundreds of 30 minute clips across dozens of accounts with 10 seconds of borderline cp spliced in and you will cripple public uploads. They don't have the manpower to screen every second of every clip uploaded.

If you wanted to be truly evil you could splice in real cp.

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06-17-2011, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by Gambrinus

If you wanted to be truly evil you could splice in real cp.

Not cool and not necessary. All you need to do are look for novel ways of disruption while changing MO every now and then to keep the sites targeted on their toes.

There should theoretically be technical solutions which would allow encoding of videos to be slowed down on the servers doing it, so making the files themselves slow to encode would cost processor cycles and over time add to the cost of running the tube site.

With file sharing sites obviously randomly seeding rars with bad blocks to the point it continually frustrates down-loaders is another strategy.

Then there is the content corruption method where shitty commercials or other undesirable material is randomly inserted in videos at high frequency.

Other accounts should be set up to flag everything on the site randomly and so frequently as to make file flagging an unreliable method of identifying bad files.

I am sure there are plenty more ideas.
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06-17-2011, 06:35 AM

tubes will just stop uploads.
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06-17-2011, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by Agent 488

tubes will just stop uploads.

While content owners DMCA the fuck out of what's left of the US based ones, great result
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06-17-2011, 06:45 AM

Lol I thought the uploads dont work anyways. Arent they illegal because they upload the movies themselves??

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06-17-2011, 06:46 AM

i`m sure boards and tubes already have spam measures in place. none of this is new.
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06-17-2011, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by Agent 488

i`m sure boards and tubes already have spam measures in place. none of this is new.

That's why the idea is to circumvent them.
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06-17-2011, 06:55 AM

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tubes will just stop uploads.

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06-17-2011, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by Gambrinus

Borderline cp is the answer.

You start uploading hundreds of 30 minute clips across dozens of accounts with 10 seconds of borderline cp spliced in and you will cripple public uploads. They don't have the manpower to screen every second of every clip uploaded.

If you wanted to be truly evil you could splice in real cp.

..and you can enjoy being on the sex offender registry for the rest of your life for distribution of cp.

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06-17-2011, 07:00 AM

Leave it to a simpleton to get upset at a hypothetical.
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06-17-2011, 07:03 AM

Uploading illegal material is unnecessary and counter productive. Much better to upload videos interspersed with take outs from the shopping channel or something equally mundane.
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06-17-2011, 07:14 AM

what a idea, you know they do it already with fake torrents and nothing happened because people rate and comment on them

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06-17-2011, 07:14 AM

I can tell no one in this thread has a tube or makes any money on tubes. Congrats to the winners.

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06-17-2011, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by seeandsee

what a idea, you know they do it already with fake torrents and nothing happened because people rate and comment on them

Of course, but nobody needs to manage a torrent, it just dies because nobody joins it.

A centralised system like a tube, forum or file upload site is much more susceptible to this kind of attack, it requires power, cpu time etc to handle the uploads and then requires some kind of admin intervention to remove the unwanted content.

The flagging and rating of videos can be spoofed easily, thus making it more difficult for sites to screen based on that alone.

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06-17-2011, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by mpahlca

I can tell no one in this thread has a tube or makes any money on tubes. Congrats to the winners.

are you suggesting the only way to make money is with a tube ?
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06-17-2011, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by seeandsee

what a idea, you know they do it already with fake torrents and nothing happened because people rate and comment on them

but didn't you see he was going to create hundreds of accounts to plant false flagd and comments to deal with this

it not like there are 100k real people for every fake one he can create to completely wash out that technique

yeah that idea will work

it almost as brilliant as when robbie suggested that they should mininova manwins tube sites

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06-17-2011, 07:22 AM

why give a fuck about the tubes so much?

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06-17-2011, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by gideongallery

it almost as brilliant as when robbie suggested that they should mininova manwins tube sites

I never claimed the idea as perfect, only disruptive. Which is the point.
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06-17-2011, 08:15 AM

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why give a fuck about the tubes so much?

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06-17-2011, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by AdultKing

I never claimed the idea as perfect, only disruptive. Which is the point.

seriously you can't tell the difference between not even viable nd not perfect

the big tube sites have 100k views per minute

you could never guarrentee you were in the 5% getting early viewing so you would have out pace those numbers by 5 fold at least to cover your trojans

they could weight comments based on user account too which means if you account was disagree by X multiples from now on your vote woulf be discounted by 1/x percent.

which would geometrically increase the number of people you would need to hire

your trying argue the viability of a man vs machine solution

john henry had to die to win that fight.

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06-17-2011, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by gideongallery

it not like there are 100k real people for every fake one he can create to completely wash out that technique

He doesn't necessarily need a room full of outsourced workers to do this. A room full of computers running multiple automation programs, randomized enough to appear human, could create hundreds of thousands of accounts across a myriad of tubes/forums with ease. Besides creating accounts and flagging vids, they could also do the uploading of shitty vids. All they'd need to outsource is the captcha cracking...and there are already plenty of services available for that.

Right now, the only way I could see tubes getting around it would be to limit flagging to users who've joined after a certain date. Like one year prior. Still he could just be creating accounts every day for the year, and then unleash the flagging fury on a daily basis after that.

I personally like the idea.
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06-17-2011, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by gideongallery

they could weight comments based on user account too which means if you account was disagree by X multiples from now on your vote woulf be discounted by 1/x percent.

So program the hundreds of thousands of accounts to randomly vote each other up, while also randomly voting everyone else down.
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06-17-2011, 09:24 AM

be better off figuring out a more popular consumer solution and product than this shit.
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06-17-2011, 09:26 AM

OK, why not do one or both of these things to fight illegal tubes?

(1) DDoS their asses. Cheap, easy to outsource and not traceable to you if you get it done properly. I mean, the tubes are engaged in illegal activity but the legal system moves slowly and can cost a ton to get it to work for you.

DDoS services are readily available if you know where to look and the hosts of the tubes will get tired of it and shut them down. The site moves, you rinse and repeat.

(2) Hire a roomful of Russian Kiddie Coders to hack and deface the offending site. Maybe costs a bit more but some kind of skull and crossbones on the homepage of the hacked site with an explanation of why the site was hacked could go a long way towards getting across the point.
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06-17-2011, 09:31 AM

anyone who still thinks you can "fight" a tube needs to turn off their computer and leave the internet.
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06-17-2011, 09:51 AM

Lots of ideas but no one is doing shit!

Why don't big affiliate programs get together and pay those russian kids to hack the hell of those illegal sites?
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06-17-2011, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by Gambrinus

Leave it to a simpleton to get upset at a hypothetical.

This has SexEducation written all over it. To even suggest a thing then pass it off as a hypothetical tells me this is either normal practice for you or something you wish you could do. Either way you add more of bad image to our industry.

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06-17-2011, 09:57 AM

So your solution to the tube sites is to illegally upload pirate porn interlaced with commercials we illegally used?

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06-17-2011, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by seeric

anyone who still thinks you can "fight" a tube needs to turn off their computer and leave the internet.

Quitting is for quitters.

Not everyone here is a quitter.

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand that
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06-17-2011, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

So your solution to the tube sites is to illegally upload pirate porn interlaced with commercials we illegally used?

LOL>

Why not?

Seroiusly, why not?

Generally speaking, fighting fire with fire is not without it's merits and oftentimes it's the only thing that works.
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06-17-2011, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by topnotch, standup guy

Why not?

Seroiusly, why not?

Generally speaking, fighting fire with fire is not without it's merits and oftentimes it's the only thing that works.
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06-17-2011, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by SallyRand

OK, why not do one or both of these things to fight illegal tubes?

(1) DDoS their asses. Cheap, easy to outsource and not traceable to you if you get it done properly. I mean, the tubes are engaged in illegal activity but the legal system moves slowly and can cost a ton to get it to work for you.

DDoS services are readily available if you know where to look and the hosts of the tubes will get tired of it and shut them down. The site moves, you rinse and repeat.

(2) Hire a roomful of Russian Kiddie Coders to hack and deface the offending site. Maybe costs a bit more but some kind of skull and crossbones on the homepage of the hacked site with an explanation of why the site was hacked could go a long way towards getting across the point.

As usual, you prove yourself to be a fuckwit.

DDoS, besides being illegal, are hard to sustain, relatively easy to defend and don't do anything to decrease the reliability of the tube, forum or file upload site in the eyes of the users.

Hacking, same problem. Go back to your girly dress ups and leave interdiction to people who are actually proposing relatively legal options.
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06-17-2011, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Rochard

So your solution to the tube sites is to illegally upload pirate porn interlaced with commercials we illegally used?

LOL>

Not suggesting illegally using anyone's content.

There would need to be some kind of cooperation from content owners to do this.
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06-17-2011, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by gideongallery

seriously you can't tell the difference between not even viable nd not perfect

Thanks. Every time you post you further solidify ideas and concepts. Keep at it old chap.
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06-17-2011, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by seeric

anyone who still thinks you can "fight" a tube needs to turn off their computer and leave the internet.

"fight" the tube sites depends on your definition

if you think you going to do anything that will basically force them to go to crappy 3 minute clips your dreaming

but turning them into a source of traffic that converts 1:113 that not hard at all.

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06-17-2011, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by acrylix

So program the hundreds of thousands of accounts to randomly vote each other up, while also randomly voting everyone else down.

what about page view
what about how long the video is played
or 100 other characteristics you could use to filter these types of bogus files from the system.

you start botting accounts to stream the entire video as a fake user

and you cross the line into DDoS attacks.

those are very hard to sustain both technologically and because laws allow you to bypass normal privacy rights when they can document (using the traffic allocation) that what it is.

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