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will76 06-01-2011 03:55 PM

Stockwatch update: FFN
 
Down again today to $5.14

Opened at $10 just a couple weeks ago and has already dropped to 1/2 it's value.


Penny stock here we come! :thumbsup

L-Pink 06-01-2011 04:08 PM

And less than 200,000 shares traded.

L-Pink 06-01-2011 04:15 PM

ORFG.PK the gold stock being pumped here is at 0.14 ... Just a week till it hits the $26.00 level being pushed, lol.

SZNY 06-01-2011 04:18 PM

What will happen if the share value will go further down? Will it be kicked from the Nasdaq and what for implications would it have for the company itself?

I' m not so familiar with IPOs and the behavior on Stock Exchanges

Adraco 06-01-2011 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18187075)
What will happen if the share value will go further down? Will it be kicked from the Nasdaq and what for implications would it have for the company itself?

I' m not so familiar with IPOs and the behavior on Stock Exchanges

Say for the sake of the argument that 1 000 000 shares were issued during the IPO at $10 a piece. Also assume that 1 000 people bought 1000 shares each, for a total of $10 000 per person. A total of $10 000 000 were raised during the IPO, let's call that share capital.

Now the share price is $5 a piece, so the ones who bought at $10 have lost 50% of their investment. However, they still have the same amount of shares, 1000 each.

Let's assume the stock goes even further down, to say $1 each. It now becomes very impractical to trade the stock, even up or down 1 single cent immediately means 1% up or down on the share price, so the fluctuations become quite high, the share price can easily go up or down 5-10% over a day and thus becomes quite unpredictable. Such large fluctuations doesn't benefit anyone (at least not in our simplified model, I know about quantum trades and volatility trades, but let's leave that out for now). Investor want to be able to sleep at least somewhat comfortable at night and some predicatbility is desired. You wanna be able to go out for lunch without having the stock plunge 10% on you and you ending up losing money because you didn't sit at the computer.

So, we have our very low share price, of say $1. The company can then decide to do a reverse split, and say that for each 10 shares you currently have, youre going to get one new. We will simply merge ten old shares together into one new. Thus each new shares then take over the weight and value of 10 old share. So all other things equal, the new share then becomes valued at $10 and in turn each investor now only has 100 new shares.

So if a stock becomes valued too low per share, a reverse split will almost always take place to ease it's tradability and avoid to large jumps up and down.


The ultimate case is the "lottery share", a company which is on the brink of bankruptcy or have done so poor deals that it's almost completely gone and is therefore now trading at $0.01 per share. Any positive news, any little poistive signal at all will cause the share to rise, even if just a little, it will go up one cent, and thus the increase is 100%. So had you invested $1000 into one cent shares, you now have $2000.

That's basically how it works. Of course there's much more to it and ups and downs on each side, but in a simplified bare model, there it is.


Greetings to a certain girl, active on this message board, out taking care of the girls tonight. She knows who she is! :winkwink:

V_RocKs 06-01-2011 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18187070)
ORFG.PK the gold stock being pumped here is at 0.14 ... Just a week till it hits the $26.00 level being pushed, lol.

yes, but on April 11th it was .05 (cents)... and on April 24th peaked at about 38 cents.

So had you thrown $10,000 on it when it was being pushed you could have made $66,000!

And even if you waited until April 25th to be sure the peak ended and sold at .30 you still would have made $50,000.

Which is the penny stock game... People who do such things make LARGE sums of money in very short periods... People who don't know what they are doing or get caught up in the idea that the company will be $2.58 some day lose large sums of money in a very short time.

L-Pink 06-01-2011 08:08 PM

You can only really sell a stock like this while it's being pumped otherwise the volume just isn't there. It sucks it was being pumped here.

will76 06-01-2011 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18187444)
You can only really sell a stock like this while it's being pumped otherwise the volume just isn't there. It sucks it was being pumped here.

more like it was being punked here, by a few idiots. I wonder if they are "still buying up as much as they can" lol. I'll wait till it gets down to .05 cents a share and maybe buy some then wipe my ass with it. :thumbsup

L-Pink 06-01-2011 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18187577)
I'll wait till it gets down to .05 cents a share and maybe buy some then wipe my ass with it. :thumbsup

You gave me an idea. I'm going to write to the SEC and suggest stocks like this be issued on 2 ply certificates.

iamtam 06-01-2011 09:33 PM

if a stock drops below a certain point ($1) for an extended period of time, or fails to have a minimum capitalization, then they will move to delist the stock. ffn doesnt have that far to go to reach that point. they are more than half way there.

DBS.US 06-01-2011 09:38 PM

I stay away from pink sheet stocks from gold companies based in China :2 cents:

ORFG.PK
Orofino Gold Corp. is a gold producer based in China

http://www.pinkinvesting.com/article...iting-for-News

merina0803 06-01-2011 10:14 PM

total garbage

V_RocKs 06-01-2011 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18187444)
You can only really sell a stock like this while it's being pumped otherwise the volume just isn't there. It sucks it was being pumped here.

Right.. which is why you do relatively small numbers per stock and spread it over a lot of them... Dumping $10K worth of it on that date or even for the next 4 to 5 days would have been almost instant buy.

SZNY 06-02-2011 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adraco (Post 18187129)
Say for the sake of the argument that 1 000 000 shares were issued during the IPO at $10 a piece. Also assume that 1 000 people bought 1000 shares each, for a total of $10 000 per person. A total of $10 000 000 were raised during the IPO, let's call that share capital.

Now the share price is $5 a piece, so the ones who bought at $10 have lost 50% of their investment. However, they still have the same amount of shares, 1000 each.

Let's assume the stock goes even further down, to say $1 each. It now becomes very impractical to trade the stock, even up or down 1 single cent immediately means 1% up or down on the share price, so the fluctuations become quite high, the share price can easily go up or down 5-10% over a day and thus becomes quite unpredictable. Such large fluctuations doesn't benefit anyone (at least not in our simplified model, I know about quantum trades and volatility trades, but let's leave that out for now). Investor want to be able to sleep at least somewhat comfortable at night and some predicatbility is desired. You wanna be able to go out for lunch without having the stock plunge 10% on you and you ending up losing money because you didn't sit at the computer.

So, we have our very low share price, of say $1. The company can then decide to do a reverse split, and say that for each 10 shares you currently have, youre going to get one new. We will simply merge ten old shares together into one new. Thus each new shares then take over the weight and value of 10 old share. So all other things equal, the new share then becomes valued at $10 and in turn each investor now only has 100 new shares.

So if a stock becomes valued too low per share, a reverse split will almost always take place to ease it's tradability and avoid to large jumps up and down.


The ultimate case is the "lottery share", a company which is on the brink of bankruptcy or have done so poor deals that it's almost completely gone and is therefore now trading at $0.01 per share. Any positive news, any little poistive signal at all will cause the share to rise, even if just a little, it will go up one cent, and thus the increase is 100%. So had you invested $1000 into one cent shares, you now have $2000.

That's basically how it works. Of course there's much more to it and ups and downs on each side, but in a simplified bare model, there it is.


Greetings to a certain girl, active on this message board, out taking care of the girls tonight. She knows who she is! :winkwink:

Thanks Adraco for the detailed explanation! Its interesting to see how a company like FFN is doing on the stock market, for sure I have to read more about how it all works. Too bad I dont really have the time for it at this moment.

Do yo mean some girl I know and should to send your greetings?

SomeCreep 06-02-2011 02:47 AM

Once it hits $5, it's going a lot lower. That's a psychological dumping level, because most institutions can't own stocks under $5/share.

will76 06-02-2011 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 18188104)
Once it hits $5, it's going a lot lower. That's a psychological dumping level, because most institutions can't own stocks under $5/share.

Almost there... $5.09 at the moment and dropping. :thumbsup

InfoGuy 06-02-2011 03:01 PM

FFN hit a new intraday low of $4.93 and closing low of $4.99.
It's only a matter of time before FFN gets the delisting notice.

:321GFY FFN

L-Pink 06-02-2011 03:19 PM

And only 105,000 shares traded.

will76 06-02-2011 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 18189959)
FFN hit a new intraday low of $4.93 and closing low of $4.99.
It's only a matter of time before FFN gets the delisting notice.

:321GFY FFN

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

thepiper 06-02-2011 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 18189959)
FFN hit a new intraday low of $4.93 and closing low of $4.99.
It's only a matter of time before FFN gets the delisting notice.

:321GFY FFN

The company may suck but it's got a long way to go in order to be delisted from Nasdaq Global Markets. Even then it will just move to Nasdaq Capital Markets.

Share price != Market Value

Just Alex 06-02-2011 04:21 PM

XXX Jay should buy this one.

merina0803 06-02-2011 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18190167)
XXX Jay should buy this one.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Tasty1 06-02-2011 04:55 PM

That the stocks go to 1 $ is bad.

But it is even worse that they won't be able to get new fundings for their debt.
So they have to perform very well the coming months.

djswivle 06-02-2011 05:33 PM

ANyone short this stock? :pimp

will76 06-02-2011 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 18190233)
That the stocks go to 1 $ is bad.

But it is even worse that they won't be able to get new fundings for their debt.
So they have to perform very well the coming months.

not going to happen, they are hemorrhaging money, losing 10's of millions a year and have some big pending law suits that can sink them. This is going to be a penny stock in the near future.

will76 06-02-2011 05:43 PM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fri...011-2011-06-02

should have a big drop in stock price after that is released.

djswivle 06-02-2011 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18190304)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fri...011-2011-06-02

should have a big drop in stock price after that is released.

Most of the time people sell on the good news..ESPECIALLY on bad news lol All the more reason to short this stock :pimp

Tasty1 06-02-2011 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djswivle (Post 18190308)
Most of the time people sell on the good news..ESPECIALLY on bad news lol All the more reason to short this stock :pimp

I couldn't find where to go short, else i would have done it.

merina0803 06-02-2011 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 18190313)
I couldn't find where to go short, else i would have done it.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh


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