SE question regarding tubes
 

It is really no wonder the tube sites are doing so well.

All the major tube sites cover every single keyword and rank all PR1 for any result.
How is this possible?

The pages google links to for example have 1 single video in them and the rest ad's. How can Google go and list such pages when there are better pages for a given term?

There is a reason why Tubes get so much traffic I understand why people would book mark them upon finding them but to compound it with being in the top of every SERP for every term seems a bit skewed on the part of google.

Can anyone explaine to me how they can do this? Or why would Google index work this way?
1 Page, 1 Video, 12 ad's, poor Meta Data, and Title = PR1?

HOW?

backlinks.

Inbound links

bought links. traded links. natural links. thousands built over years while everyone else was hand-wringing about the tubes.

It can't just be back links.

"Backlinks are important when determining PageRank because Google sees it as a vote in the favor of the website. This is why quality links are important; not just any link will do. For example, if a tourist authority has a backlink to a website about destination weddings in that area, Google will regard this backlink, or 'vote' in much more high regard than if some guy's blog links to that site. On the other hand, if a highly ranked blog about travel links to that same destination wedding site, this can be viewed as a quality backlink as well.

Some webmasters take things a bit too far and assume that any backlink is a good one. This is not the case, and Google will actually penalize a website for linking out to one of the sites that they have deemed "internet garbage." Known link farms are a good example of this. Links to or from link farms can actually hurt a website?s PageRank, and in return hurt a website's visibility on the most important search engine, Google.

When determining the value of backlinks, Google looks at a number of things. They look at the link, the quality of the website that is linking to the site, the text around the link, and the anchor text (the underlined words that contain the embedded link on the website).

You Can't Fool Google!

The worst thing that a webmaster can do is try to fool Google. This is why sites are penalized when they are linked to by known link farms, or when they link to link farms. This is not quality linking, and it creates a flaw in the system when it comes to users. There are ways to get quality backlinks, and having quality content that establishes your site as an authority in its niche is one of the single most effective ways. If other webmasters or bloggers find that your site is useful, they will link to it. This is why Google counts a link back to a website as a vote in its favor as far as relevance is concerned."

http://www.ipagerank.org/articles/ba...importance.php

I can understand back link weight but thats a plus or minus but not the god factor in decision. Right now as it stands if you are looking for porn Google simply says look at these 3 tubes. Thats kinda bullshit.

you have no idea of the scale of the backlink efforts of mansef when their tubes hit the scene. they had a team working non-stop buying and trading every link they could. not much more complicated than that.

the other sites in the top 10 for the top adult terms do and did the same.

Google needs a patch update.

It seems insane to provide adult traffic to nothing but 3 or 4 domains.
They Cover every single keyword and manage to hold PR1 on almost every term. This is not anti-MANWIN or anti-tube discussion really.

I do not give a shit about what they are doing as a business but owning top SE results is doing more damage than anything else as Google provides 90% of adult traffic to 3-4 domains.

Something foul about that. It's stifling and crippling the industry as a result. People need to email google as individuals ask why this is happening and it should be fixed. The search results are not fair.

I do not care about free clips and what they are doing but seems completely wrong for google to provide top SERPS to every single keyword to 3 or 4 domains.

Think about it about every SINGLE keyword for Adult is dominated by 3-4 Domains on PR1 SERP's. Fucking ridiculous or intentional.

backlinks and authority backlinks, and now they own all the authority too

there are better investments of one's time now, it's not going to get better

They Broke The Googles:waaaaahh

I think the panda update also put an increased emphasis on Avg. time on site, which would help tube sites.

actually I think Google must be happy with the way it is, google wants happy surfers, a surfer that goes to google and seconds later finds all the free porn they could want is happy with google and will come back to google next time :2 cents:

They buy every link they can and then some.

Our own porn search platform pornobug.com actually penalizes tubes, not because we asked it to, just because of the algorithms in our search methodology.

Every search platform, including Google and pornobug.com uses complex mathematical constructs to perform ranking. I know how ours works, nobody except Google knows how theirs works.

However at a recent technology conference in Melbourne I attended, I did discuss this very subject with a rep from Google AU and they do appreciate the problem, whether or not they do anything about it is another story. You see Google does not serve you, they serve the web users, if the web users value particular sites then you can bet your bottom dollar that Google will help facilitate that.

You are probably right D-Null.

Surfers wont complain about getting the exact clip of video they want LOL

It's still incorrect to direct traffic to the same 3 or 4 domains though.

Thats an instant king maker and creates a monopoly traffic wise to an entire industry. Needless to say its devastating and it is logistically incorrect regarding the diversity of what people are looking for. Maybe the people simply do not want video clips for example and tired of them, or maybe they seen those same clips, so Google keeps spitting up Tube sites and the same clip?

Its failure.

Backlinks... Despite the bullshit google's minions spew, you can still rank #1 with a ton of bulk backlinks, even crap ones.. I see it all the time...

Consider this.. If a person is searching for porn, what do they want.. The want videos... video searches surpassed picture searches several years ago... So google probably has that built into their algorithm, giving video sites more preference. If you then consider that google owns Youtube, you soon realize that of course they're going to favor tube style sites.

backlinks/video embeds with backlink code

God works in mysterious ways!

Ask the guys at Google,

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Funny you say this because I have!
The responses by Google is even funnier but they are aware of the issue.:thumbsup

I am not hating on the tubes I think they have a rightful place no doubt about it but the searches are skewed and incorrect. Thats a fact even Google knows.
Maybe if more webmasters did the same this issue would be dealt with faster.

People need to know that Google has an error with this issue in regards to SERPs being dominated by a couple domains that have very poor content value.

Video clips that are 2 minutes long raking in SERP's PR1 is afoul. The document itself has no content other than a video clip. 3-4 tube domains are given incredible value way more so than any other domain and websites on the net accross the board on all keywords. THis puts those 4 domains in complete control of the adult internet.

If anyone has come close to controlling an entire industry these guy(s) have done it.

They didn't need to have any backlink "efforts".

They have thousands and thousands of small and large tube sites "scraping" their vids.
Wouldn't that constitute linking to them since the vid is hosted on Pornhub's servers?

Also...a few years back, my TGP's had over 1.2 million uniques a day. We did trade links with other tgp's...about a dozen or so. And those were straight reciprocal trades (the kind that seo gurus say are a "no-no")
And yet we ranked high on just about every term we had on the site (it's categorized). Anal, mature, amateur, etc.
I couldn't figure it out. We didn't even TRY to rank. We were around long before Google existed and really could have cared less about them. But yet...we were ranked high for almost every porn term.

My thought was that it was because we were relevant just by sheer numbers of people coming to the site. Of course I can't prove that since Google is so mysterious. But I think that Google just could not ignore us. And my gut feeling is that has happened with Pornhub as well.

When Google sees millions of people going to Pornhub looking at pages that are relevant...then I think that all that backlink and seo mumbo jumbo is secondary to the fact that millions of people see Pornhub as relevant to the subject.

I have no proof of that. Only what we had happening when we were kings of traffic, and that I believe the same thing is happening with Pornhub now.

12:14:54 PM) Adam: Hey big G, why to the tubes rank so high for every fucking keyword?
(12:15:53 PM) Google: Funny you should ask Adam
(12:16:19 PM) Google: I am jerking off right now on Pornhub.com
(12:18:48 PM) Google: I think it's because these sites are fucking cool
(12:19:29 PM) Adam: But G, how are we ever going to make money with these sites around?
(12:19:46 PM) Adam: Please tell me how to stop them before I have to live in a box man!
(2:06:45 PM) Google: Adapt or die Adam
(2:07:14 PM) Adam: Dude come on, just mess with the algi a bit and dump those fuckers!!!
(2:07:43 PM) Google: Sorry dude, have to go, I am about to drop a load....
(2:08:01 PM) Adam: Fuck you G, your killing us all!!!!

back-links strategy.........

when they first started going every porn webmaster - except you for some reason - was hit up by their team to trade and sell links. they had a shitload of sites to do a-b-c trades with and deep pockets to buy any link they wanted.

they also built plenty if links to their category pages and use a variety of anchor texts, so that's why they dominate across most adult keywords.

pretty simple to understand why they dominated google. nothing mysterious about it. sites trying to knock them out are doing exactly the same thing with a few new tricks thrown in.

no point making it all mysterious. they just won.

I will admit being all new to Blogging and SEO but I have over the last several months got my network up neat and running and in one case brought a domain from nothing to PR1 and most others to PR3 and the irritation is I know I can not get any higher!

Its a bummer, I sit in envy of what the top 3-4 tubes has done. I am defeated so I guess I am sniveling here while at the same time in shock of the realization.

what worked then doesn't work now, just like how what worked in december doesn't work now.

google algo's continuously evolve, but the basic principles remain the same.

Okay. Then what you're saying is that all the things that you claim they did (even though you nor I really have any clue as to what they did unless you were there) now no longer work.

So they should just fall right off of Google according to your thoughts on the matter.

Honestly...unless you have or had a major traffic site and/or ranked high for porn search terms...then how the heck does that make some faceless guy with a nickname on a message board an expert on SEO?

It is not just because of the backlinks. It is also because of the amount of content which is constantly changing or being added Every title, description, tag, ect is also picked up by google and that creates another link to thier tubes in the search engines.

Google seems to be putting a larger emphasis on bounce rate and time on page. Example, surfer searches for ' shayla love porn' and gets:

1 - blog
2 - tgp
3 - mgp
4 - blog
5 - tube

Surfers do, 60/1.8, 85/1.5, 70/2.2, 65/1.6, 12/5.6 respectively on bounce and minutes on site.

So the tgp's shoot themselves in the foot by skimming surfers. Back when backlinks were king they got tens of thousands a year from submitters. Google changed.

Now the reordering,

Tube
Blog
Blog
Mgp
Tgp

And until google decides to make a change especially for pornographers, we fucked!

Google founders are very against porn. If it didn't make up over 80% of searches they would ban it. So what is the next best thing? Don't let people make money on it by knowingly giving traffic to it to tubes.

back links and loads of quality content. and a low bounce rate

While i think you are mostly correct Im still not sure about this bounce rate cause a lot of sites dont have google analytics so how do they know what the bounce rate is?