germany decides to exit nuclear power til 2022
 

wow ... wise ... the first nation to draw the line ... but i guess it will take decades before others follow :(

nicely done germany
i guess the gangsters are not in control there


interesting.
ive always wondered why power generation was let out to private companies in the first place.
easy to go hydro eletric, or even wind power...if all those massive steel power line holders also had a big ass wind turbine in them we wouldnt need any other sort of power generation.

That's fine and dandy for Germany. That's like Texas deciding to go without nuclear power.

When all of Europe does it... Then we'll talk.

it actually doesn't seem to make much sense considering France and Czech Republic have nuclear plants directly at the german borders. but it will show that nuclear energy is not necessary and renewable energy can take its place. already now there are a few hundred thousand jobs in renewable energy and germany is technolgy leader while mostly everyone else is burning coal, oil and using nuclear power - technologies of the last century.

but hey: drill, baby drill...

Can renewable energy take its place? How much do they expect energy rates to go up? I feel bad for the middle and lower classes of Germany. But then again I don't know if there is a good energy plan in place to take nuclears place.

Nobody riots when a coal burning station goes up, even though coal kills more people, pollutes more, and releases more radiation.

Smart, but I still think if harnessed well it could be used. But people are just to careless.

German chicks are hot :) Not to change the subject

Do you mean UNTIL 2022 (ie - stop now and leave it alone for 11 years) or shut down all nuclear power stations BY 2022?

well, 7 nuclear power plants have been closed already :thumbsup but, from what i heard the "green party" wants to quit 5 years earlier :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup ... so, BY 2022 the last shud be closed :pimp

and i am pretty sure alternative power can replace NPPs ... just for the record: in 2010, germany generated 641 TWh but used only 600 TWh ... the rest has been exported :winkwink:

by then it will be too late for ya ... europe will be ahead in technology and you'll hafta buy from us haha :winkwink:

There's an election coming up in Germany so this is PROBABLY just another LIE.

The result of that move, if it happens, is WAY higher electricity prices all across Europe. Lets see how well people receive those news.

Exactly. When I see those green activists who scream to put down nuclear power plants right NOW I wonder how they would deal with electricity bills that are suddenly a lot higher than before. I wouldnt be surprised if their screaming would suddenly stop.

Also it has been a very "smart" move to stop some of the nuclear power plants when Fukushima happened. Yeah, now Germany has to import electricity from France and Czech Republic. Electricity that is made from nuclear power plants. Very smart! :321GFY
Especially regarding the fact that earthquakes and tsunamis arent going to happen very frequently in central Europe.

I'm not saying that nuclear power is good. But these actions that were taken are simply stupid.

i strongly disagree on some of your points :winkwink:

especially on the one where you say that some people want to have them shut down right now. Not even Greenpeace said that, they said 2015 but they are not a political party and have no say in this.

let's see it from another perspective: if it's technically possible to replace nuclear energy (and coal as well) by renewable energy at acceptable costs - why not do it?

someone has to make the first step and lead by example, there's tons of possibilities that have not been explored yet. Just check this for example: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unt...647858,00.html (aren't you building a new house right now? :winkwink: )

as long as something like Chernobyl or Fukushima can happen and as long as no one knows where to put the nuclear waste (that will radiate for the next 100,000 years), nuclear energy is not the solution. :2 cents:

It's good for the Danish windmill industry :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Good way to make sure they are completely reliant on France power wise in the future.

Your windmills do not even cover your own supply. Denmark imports electricity, as do Germany, from Norway and other clean producing countries.

sigh... so little information...

So who was responsible for the quick shutdown of some of Germany's power plants?

I agree with you, IF it's technically possible, then it should be done and I am sure that the technical progress will head into this direction. Renewable energy is a horse that you can bet on. BUT I am not sure if we are at a point already where renewable energy is affordable for the mass. We will see.

the quick shutdown was a bullshit opportunistic decision by the current government who earlier prolonged the running time of each plant by 12 years and now backed out faster than a virgin from a gangbang ;)

i don't like nuclear energy but shutting everything down immediately would never work as well. 2022 sounds reasonable.

Deutschland uber alles.

Germany will never do that ;) nuclear is huge power!

Good for them.

or they can just lure your top scientists as they have repeatedly in the past...

looks like some really skipped READING eh? we are NOT "importing" power ... we used 600 TWh of the 641 TWh generated in 2010 ... so we EXPORTED 41 TERA WATT HOURS ALREADY last year! we have a good margin BEFORE shit hits the fan and now that alternative power is on the rise we will do even better ... who reads is clearly in advantage ;)

erm, you missed one point ... PATENTS ... play copycat then and it'll cost ya even more :1orglaugh

Good for Germans.

:(:(:( old national anthem line ... hitlers reich used that ... forget it - WE learned from history ...

Nuclear power really isn't all that dangerous. Fossil fuels kill a lot more people than nuclear power ever would. If something goes wrong at a nuclear plant, it might take more time to clean up, but overall it's really safe.

yeah, they switched off 8 nuclear plants from one day to the other and not one single light went out

move to czernobyl and report back after maybe 6 months ... sorry, but you are absolutely ineducated it seems :2 cents: if plutonium is blown into the atmosphere it can kill MILLIONS ... and that shit takes 24.000 to decay to HALF its mass ... idiot :mad:

we are above germany, we dont even have nuclear pwer lol :D

Germans are #1 in the world in terms of green energy usage...

norway and austria should also be on top - norway has some advantages cause they have a lot of water energy

LONDON (Reuters) – Germany's plan to shut all its nuclear power plants by 2022 will add up to 40 million tones of carbon dioxide emissions annually as the country turns to fossil fuels, analysts said on Tuesday.
The extra emissions would increase demand for carbon permits under the European Union's trading scheme, thereby adding a little to carbon prices and pollution costs for EU industry.
"We will see a pick-up in German coal burn," said Barclays Capital analyst Amrita Sen. "Longer term, they will be using more renewables and gas but this year and next, we should see a lot of support for coal burn."
The phase-out is seen as more political than technical as German Chancellor Angela Merkel tries to capture anti-nuclear sentiment in the aftermath of Japan's Fukushima crisis.
Environmentalists welcomed the shift, although some demanded a faster phase-out, hoping it would spur a shift to renewable energy which they view as less harmful by avoiding radioactive waste.
But analysts say the move will also see an increase in planet-warming greenhouse gases equivalent to the annual emissions of Slovakia, as Germany uses gas and coal to plug a power generation gap, both of which are more carbon-emitting than nuclear power.
That calculation implied some skepticism with the coalition's assertion it would cut power demand and expand the use of renewables such as wind and solar power.
Deutsche Bank analysts estimated an extra 370 million tones of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions through 2020, compared with Societe Generale's extra 406 million tones.
Matteo Mazzoni, analyst at Italy's Nomisma Energia, estimated an extra 20-29 million extra tones of CO2 per year.
"This is not likely to drive prices much higher in the medium term, unless the price of power comes under pressure," Mazzoni said, referring to the price of emissions permits called EU allowances (EUAs).
Socgen analyst Emmanuel Fages increased his third quarter 2011 EUA price forecast by a modest 0.5 cents to 17 euros per tone, and would reassess other prices.
The benchmark EUA contract for December 2011 delivery was trading at 17.24 euros ($24.63) per tone Tuesday lunchtime, up 35 cents or 2 percent on the day.
"Carbon prices should obviously also get an uplift due to the sentiment born from the decision, but it will be limited and temporary," Fages said, adding "The market remains largely oversupplied (EUAs) for two years to come, capping any significant price increase in the short run."
The EU trading scheme is meant to limit industrial emissions by allocating a fixed quota of EUAs to some 12,600 factories and power plants but recession in 2009 left a glut of permits.

Germany is making the right long term move towards more renewable energy, less radioactive waste and less pollution.

I should mention I have a secret method to make high volume renewable energy. It's based on inertia. But would require 10-20 mil to build.

patents are for civilians.. when a government does it you always lose...

yes nice an other 80 million huge energy using people on the oil business.
This will increase prices at the service station and food a lot coming years.

BTW there have been dozens of other reactors taken offline the past few months world wide.