To all the law experts in GFY....
 

The recent news on the 2 Swedes who got the verdict of life imprisonment for human trafficking, what if the "victims" came out and confessed that they worked out of their own free will, can the verdict be reverse?

Very rarely does the victim have a say in something like that. It isn't "you broke the law if your victim agrees", it's "you broke the law."

No. Reversal works only on technicalities, lawyer mistakes, or judges mistakes. A remission or admission of guilt doesn't change the outcome that's already became official.

Thailand is a 3rd world shithole with no laws.

Who knows if you can reason with the judicial system there?

You are usually only charges with "human trafficking" in the Philippines (when porn is involved) when you have minors involved.

Each count of human trafficking was more than likely 1 count per minor.

That means, they got caught working minors. More than one. It doesn't have so much to do with working against their will, even though that was added to pile of shit that was tossed at them.

The biggest mistake they made was not paying whatever it cost, on the spot, to be allowed to flee.

98% chance they will die in a Philippines prison. But... it is the 3rd world so *maybe* they can still grease their way out.

In Florida if a partner refuses to prosecute a domestic violence incident the state automatically becomes the victim and presses charges ..... Do you really think a third world country will drop charges when a MINOR changes her mind?

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I'm surprised they couldnt bribe their way out.

Upon further reflection ...... Florida really is Americas third world state ... :1orglaugh

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Child pornography, whether the child (a minor person) is forced, coerced or is a willing participant is illegal in most countries. Not only is it illegal, if done knowingly it is morally reprehensible.

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Central Florida acts like a Third World State and it's capital is in Polk County.

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No way out of that one.

What if you can prove to the court, that the minors actually fooled the 2 Swedes into allowing her to work ( it is a very common practice ). If the cam site could be fooled, don't see why the 2 Swedes can be too.

I was told some of the minors are 17 and single moms. I know the court doesn't give a fuck about the logic of it is ok to have sex with a local guy when you are below 18 but is a big no no if you get naked in front of the camera.

What if... what if... what if....

It doesn't work that way in the 3rd world, especially in Asia.

There is money. There is who you know. There is timing. There is face. There is your competitor.

That's it.

They blew three of the five when they were arrested. Be it they didn't have enough cash, know the right person, or the timing was wrong. Whatever the case, they were not able to get out of it, and it stemmed from one or all of those reasons, with the latter being something as simple as their competitors simply paid more money to the police to make sure the Swedes went away.

This is how you play in the 3rd world. It's not fair, but you often stand a chance if you've played your cards right. They didn't, or the person who sold them out had more money or influence over the law.

3rd world justice. They should be lucky they were not shot in the head by the very police who came to arrest them.

Are you guys seriously trying to argue the finer point of an appeals process in a foreign country like the Philippines?

Thats what im saying. Knowing the law here doesn't mean shit there.


DWB would have more knowledge on the laws there than any GFY lawyer on this board.:thumbsup

Thank you!

I could not have put it better myself!

Who said anything about Thailand?

This is a Philippines issue, not Thai :error

Same thing.

Phone rooms, poverty that can't be fixed.

And this:

http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/philippi.htm

Factbook on Global Sexual Exploitation

The Philippines

Trafficking

150,000 Filipina women have been trafficked into prostitution in Japan. (Press Statement, Bangladesh National Women Lawyers Association, "Open sale of little girls at Tanbaza brothel," Daily Star, 2 July 1998)

150 Filipinas were sold into prostitution to night club operators in African countries, particularly Nigeria. The women were bought for $5,000 each by international syndicates. Four Filipinas were rescued by the Philippine Embassy in Lagos, Nigeria after they sought help from officials. (Bureau of Immigration, Lira S. Dalagin, "150 Pinays sold as sex slaves in Africa," Manila Chronicle, 31 May 1995)

In 1991, Filipinas were being sold in Japan, often to the Yakuza, at $2,400 to $18,000 each. (CATW - Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)

In 1996, 492 of 3,776 reported cases of child abuse involved pornography, prostitution, paedophilia and trafficking. There were 8,335 cases of child abuse from 1991-1996, 96% of the victims were females. (Department of Social Welfare and Development, "375,000 Filipino Women & Kids Are Into Prostitution," Philippine Daily Inquirer, 26 July 1997)

Philippine women are vulnerable to trafficking due to the Asian economic crisis. Requests for entertainer visas for Japan did not decline in the first six months of 1998. Travel to Japan increased 21% in the first half of this year compared with the same period in 1997. The label "entertainer" sometimes implies "sex worker." The women are vulnerable in Japan, not because they lack skills, but because they are young, beautiful women in a hazardous or vulnerable occupation. Trafficking laws exists but are not enforced. (Supalak Ganjanakhundee, "Migrant workers booming as Asian economy declines," Kyodo News, 23 September 1998)

Case

Four Chinese women suspected of being prostitutes were arrested by the Manila Police in a karaoke bar. The club manager however, was not arrested. One of the arresting officers is accused of raping one of the apprehended women. These arrests brought the number to 23 Chinese women found to be working as prostitutes in Manila clubs alone. (Dona Z. Pazzibugan, "4 More Chinese Girsl Arrested in Karaoke Bars," Phillippine Daily Inquirer, 29 August 1997)

Policy and Law

The Philippine government emphasis on labor export to support its balance of payment deficits has contributed to the trafficking of Filipinas to Japan. 3/4 of the trafficked Filipino women surveyed by IOM were repatriated to the Philippines after being help in prostitution, suffering from various health problems. (IOM, "Filipino Women in Japan Trapped in the Sex Business," IOM, No. 792, 11 July 1997)

Official Response and Action

In 1995, the national government in Manila appointed a special prosecutor, Dorentino Floresta. In his first year, 181 people were prosecuted for sexually exploiting children. In 1996, 162 people were charged. Prior to that, trafficking in children went unchallenged by local officials. (Edward A. Gargan, "Traffic in children in Brisk (Legacy of the Navy?)," Olongapo Journal/ New York Times, 11 December 1997)

Bride Trafficking

There have been 5,000 Filipina mail order brides entering the United States every year since 1986, a total of 55,000 as of 1997. (Gabriela, Statistics and the State of the Philippines, 24 July 1997)

There are 20,000 Filipina mail order brides in Australia. (Gabriela, Statistics and the State of the Philippines, 24 July 1997)

Prostitution

The number of prostituted persons in the Philippines is about the size of the country's manufacturing workforce, according to Rene Ofreneo, a former Philippine labor undersecretary and an expert on the sex trade. (Dario Agnote, "Sex trade key part of S.E. Asian economies, study says," Kyodo News, 18 August 1998)

There are 400,000 to 500,000 prostituted persons in the Philippines. Prostituted persons are mainly adult women, but there are also male, transvestite and child prostitutes, both girls and boys. (International Labor Organization. Dario Agnote, "Sex trade key part of S.E. Asian economies, study says," Kyodo News, 18 August 1998)

In the Philippines, a recent study showed there are about 75,000 children, who were forced into prostitution due to poverty. (Dario Agnote, "Sex trade key part of S.E. Asian economies, study says," Kyodo News, 18 August 1998)

There are 400,000 women in prostitution in 1998, excluding unregistered, seasonal prostitutes, overseas entertainers and victims of external trafficking. One fourth of them are children and each year 3,266 more children are forced into the sex industry. (GABRIELA, Diana Mendoza, "RP Has 400,000 Prostitutes," TODAY, 25 February 1998)

There are 375,000 women and children in prostitution in the Philippines. Most of them, aged 15 - 20, are from semi-rural and urban backgrounds and have been victims of incest and sexual abuse. ("375,000 Filipino Women and Kids Are Into Prostitution," Philippine Daily Inquirer, 26 July 1997)

There are 300,000 women and children in prostitution in the Philippines. (Gabriela, Statistics and the State of the Philippines, 24 July 1997)

There are more than 60,000 children in prostitution. (Welfare officials estimates, Abby Tan, "Sex Case Focuses Concern On Domestic Paedophilia," 21 March 1997)

40,000 Filipino children were involved in child prostitution. (Philippine Foreign Ministry, Jill Serjeant, "Asia to launch joint crackdown on child sex trade," Reuters, 1 April 1998)

There are reports of people prostituting for food or water. (CATW - Asia Pacific, Trafficking in Women and Prostitution in the Asia Pacific)

Most of the men buying prostitutes in Pasay City are taxi drivers, laborers, businessmen, foreigners and male teenagers? eager to lose their virginity. (Joel San Juan, "Poverty still behind world?s oldest profession," TODAY, 26 July 1998)

In Cebu, the number of registered prostitutes increased from 1,557 in 1992, to 2,189 in June 1994, to 2.988 in June 1996. This number does not include the estimated 1.500 non-registered prostitutes. (Gabriela, Statistics and the State of the Philippines, 24 July 1997)

In Cebu City, the number of registered prostitutes rose from 1,500 in 1993 to 4,500 in 1997. In Davao City in 1993, there were 80 prostitution establishments, by 1997 there were 135, which increased the number of registered prostitutes by 2,000 and the number of unregistered by 2,000. (GABRIELA, Diana Mendoza, "RP Has 400,000 Prostitutes," TODAY, 25 February 1998)

In Davao, there were 868 prostitutes in 1993 and 1,525 in the first half of 1996. (Gabriela, Statistics and the State of the Philippines, 24 July 1997)

Of 500 prostitutes in Angeles City, 75% are children. (Sol. F. Juvida, "Philippines - Children: Scourge of Child Prostitution," IPS, 12 October 1997)

The Philippines is fourth among 9 nations with the most children in prostitution, with 60,000 - 100,000. The top five areas for child prostitution and sex tourism are Metro Manila, Angeles City, Puerto Galera in Mindoro Province, Davao and Cebu(UNICEF and non-governmental organizations, Sol. F. Juvida, "Philippines - Children: Scourge of Child Prostitution," IPS, 12 October 1997)

40,000 Filipino children are in prostitution. (Philippines Foreign Minister, Domingo Siazon, Robin Cook, "Clampdown on child sex tourism," BBC News UK, 4 April 1998)

75% of the estimated 500 prostitutes in the "Area," a ghetto known for child prostitution in Angeles City are children. (Susan Pineda, of Pro-Women Action, "Scourge of Child Prostitution," Sol. F. Juvida, InterPress Service, 12 October 1997)

Filipinos are the main users of Filipinas in prostitution. (Women's Education, Development, Productivity and Research Organisation, "Scourge of Child Prostitution," Sol. F. Juvida, InterPress Service, 12 October 1997)

Filipino men who buy prostitutes don't care if she is 15 or 25. ("Scourge of Child Prostitution," Sol. F. Juvida, InterPress Service, 12 October 1997)

In 1984, there were 7 provinces with child sex rings. Today, they are present in 37 provinces. (UNICEF, Sol. F. Juvida, "Philippines - Children: Scourge of Child Prostitution," IPS, 12 October 1997)

Children, aged 11 to 15, in prostitution said relatives introduced them to prostitution, or they were recruited by friends. (Institute for the Protection of Children, Sol. F. Juvida, "Philippines - Children: Scourge of Child Prostitution," IPS, 12 October 1997)

The increase in the exploitation of prostituted children is attributed to the fear of HIV/AIDS. Some people believe children have less risk of having the disease. The sex trade in chidlren is so well established, because of the influx of sex tourists and the existence of sex tours catering to Japanese, European and other Caucasian tourists. (Sol. F. Juvida, "Philippines - Children: Scourge of Child Prostitution," IPS, 12 October 1997)"

And the text goes on and on.........................................

yes, but they are in the philippines dumbfuck..

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And as far as Thailand goes:

http://www.thewitness.org/agw/pusurinkham.121901.html

"Child Prostitution in Thailand
by Sirirat Pusurinkham

Child prostitution is a serious social problem in Thailand. Prostitution is a form of enslavement that currently involves perhaps 800,000 children under the age of sixteen, bought and sold for a profit that exceeds that of the drug trade or weapons sales or lotteries or sports gambling.

The Thai culture has a long history of prostitution but the problem has never been as grave as it is at present. Prostitution has been a way of life in Thailand from time immemorial, and has not been considered an evil by Thai society. The blame can be found in the habits of Thai men, the government?s focus on foreign tourism, and in the inactivity and lack of concern of Christian churches and Buddhist temples. The latter take the position of "Hear no evil; See no evil; Speak no evil," and do little or nothing to counter the evil of prostitution.

There is little health protection for prostitutes in Thailand, and HIV/AIDS has greatly proliferated. There are numerous stories of brothers and sisters crying and dying in pain, with the loss of all hope. We have countless stories of their suffering loneliness, illness, misuse and imprisonment in filthy airless rooms. In August a senior Thai health official said that AIDS had become the main cause of death in the country. I have to carry out a lot of funerals, so I know this is true.

Girls as young as 10-12 years old service men in the sex industry. Many of the girls typically have sex with ten to fifteen men every day, and sometimes as many as 20 to 30.

Prostituting children, the exploitation of children, and their enslavement for financial gain are among the most despicable acts in the whole panoply of human evil. They represent a sad story of human degradation. Girls as young as 10-12 years old service men in the sex industry. Many of the girls typically have sex with ten to fifteen men every day, and sometimes as many as 20 to 30..........................."

Sally Rand proves yet again he knows nothing more than how to cut and paste. Loser.

Hey Sally Rand, you are a man pretending to be a woman.

Remember when you talked about your clit? How would the parents of those little kids that you seem to be working so closely with feel if they knew that?

Before you start dishing it out on ANYONE, even HITLER, you need to address the problem that you are a old man pretending to be a woman, talk about your womanly genitals and are obviously sexually disturbed yet still feel you are okay to work with children.

Realize that nothing you could ever cut and paste is worse than you.

You are fucked up.

You are disgusting.

You are a loser.

And you should be too embarrassed to come back after the revelations and those pictures of you were posted, old man. The fact that you continue posting under the same name as if you weren't a man pretending to be a woman is fucked up, for real.

For real man, fucked up.
SALLY RAND YOU ARE AN OLD MAN THAT PRETENDS TO BE A WOMAN ON THE INTERNET AND TALKS ABOUT HIS CLIT

Ya, i just don't get why anyone is talking about Thailand and prostitution and AIDS when the issue we are talking about in this thread is about the Swedish guys being sentenced to life in prison in the PHILIPPINES

..... sorry, I just don't see where the connection is being made

Thailand and Philippines are both Asian but that doesn't mean they are exactly the same or that even Thai should even be mentioned in this thread

Irrelevant imho

because some people are stupid.

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Thai is mentioned because DWB is talking about greasing the police in third world countries... so thai and philippines but third world, both asian, both similar in government.

Mexico is the same way... always carry a crisp $100 in your wallet in Mexico and you will see the sun shine the next day :2 cents:

See what I did there? I brought MX in the mix

You know, they say that Filipinos are the Mexicans of Asia, and Thais are the negros.

And since the elite in China all have pale skin and prides themselves on being superior to the other countries, and generally control much of Asia, they are the white man.

See what I did there?

This thread is getting legs. Philippines, Thailand, Mexico, China, and I'm going to toss Cambodia in the mix because Sally is talking about child prostitution.

Fatfoo on deck!

I was in the Philippines when this happened. And there is much more to the story, they didn't know when to stop.

Maybe they can do a live cam show from prison of them getting corn holed or do a porn parody This Ain't Midnight Express

tell us more ...

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your stupidity.

The case in question happened in the Philippines not Thailand and Thailand is not a third world shithole with no laws.

The window of opportunity wouldn't have been open long, and if they weren't liquid enough to take advantage of it in the given time period then it would have been promptly closed and the matter escalated.

This is my guess.....

True as in a lot of states in the US. BUT the state its self without a signed doc from the victim has less than 50% chance..

Does not have much application here. But those guys should have bought their way out and hauled ass.

what logic are you speaking of? are you suggesting that if a girl is having sex it should be ok for her to perform sex acts on camera regardless of her age?

You are correct, but it all hangs on a thread in the land of smiles. :upsidedow

Flashy poultry ...

Same difference. That whole area is no-laws shithole.

too bad for them.

in Thailand u can keep that window open at least a couple of weeks if your embassy lawyer can convince the police that money is coming. but money has to come from outside the country, because anything you had inside the country was split up among the raiding police 10 minutes after they busted down your door.

i actually like the Thai legal system. i am guessing the guy who owns creampiethais.com likes it too since he's back out on the streets..
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They are screwed, They provided the option but it was illegal, and they profited. They are done. The Government in the Philippians government are like honey badgers, they don't give a shit.

Ditto. You actually have a chance here to get away with some serious shit.

nothing is serious in the land of mai pen rai

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:thumbsup :thumbsup That is how it works EVERYWHERE! The 3rd world countries are just cheaper to operate in. Even in the USA, you can probably find a local cop who is struggling with a mortgage and make a deal for just about whatever you want. The police, whatever country they may be in, are no different than the mafia except in only that they are state/government sanctioned. So if you pay off the right cops, work on their terms, keep them out of trouble and throw them a few good arrest from time to time (that would be your competition) then you will have it made.

Laws are man made....if I am the judge, I would be more tolerant and take it into consideration while passing my judgement. ( taking the 17 years old single mom here as an example ). My argument here is the verdict is just beyond crazy.

Just like the law in US. The legal age to buy alcohol is above 21. But I am sure those who joined the army would have been drinking like fish while on duty. But is a law made by dumbfucks who determine what is right and what is wrong.

P/S : I am not supporting the Swedes nor encourage sex cam performers cud be below the legal age of 18, but I am just stressing out that life sentence is just nuts.