Ron Paul for President 2012
 

He's running.

I can't help but think he'd steal waaaay more votes from the democrats than any other republican candidate would. Not many lefties going to vote for palin, huckabee, trump, etc. Lots of people on the left would give Ron Paul their vote.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...16-503544.html

Baddog: Yes, I know, I'm Canadian. I just stole your post, now think of a new one.

fuck that.

It's too late to save America from another depression but I think Ron Paul can do something useful anyway.

He won't win, but I would vote for him or Huckabee.

He has some good ideas but he's 76 years old. It depends (no pun intended) who his running mate is I suppose.

he runs everytime, never wins. i give him credit tho for keeping it going

I would vote for him in a heartbeat.... and there should be plenty of leftwingers that should vote for him also.... Pulling troops out of foreign wars, legalizing drugs, prostitution, porn, pretty much legalizing EVERYTHING on the federal level, thus leaving power to the state and local governments, (which are much more responsive to the will of the local people). Pretty much taking things back to the way they were supposed to work under the constitution.



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What do you mean he has some good ideas?

They are not "his ideas," he simply follows the constitution as most U.S. politicians should...

Ron Paul did not create liberty and freedom, he just works to uphold them.

Doesn't he want to make heroin legal?



Hookers - I'm fine with that. Heroin? Fuck that. No one would ever look at porn again.

Confirmation that the world it's coming to an end ...

I don't know one person who would be swayed to take heroin if it was legal. I think most people are way more scared of heroin itself than jail? :P I mean.. Give me a week in lockup or inject me with heroin... I'll take the week in jail.

And I'm not even scared of doing drugs at all, I've done most of them and my all time fav is LSD.. I'm not scared of doing heroin for the first time, I'm scared of doing it the SECOND time lol.. :)

the world needs to move forwards not backwards.

"It is up to the states"

I take it moving forward in your eyes is more laws and government intrusion.

It's not like he'll win the primary or run as a 3rd party candidate so there's not much worry of him siphoning off Dem votes from Obama.

i'm european and therefore more left of a democrat, but he's been striking a chord with me lately. so weird hearing that kinda stuff from a republican. v strange.

Less federal and more state power to run themselves, I want to see him run!

Ron Paul has some great ideas but zero plans on how to actually implement what he says.

"authority is the path to freedom, therefor i vote for politicians" - a fucking idiot

He's always been a Libertarian, but in order to run you have to work in the two party system, unfortunately.



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Actually he does have ways to implement them but doesn't focus on talking about them because it's too scary for most to handle and why the establishment always rails against him around election time..

For example; He has stated his first executive order would be to dissolve the House and Congress. He would send them all home with nothing but a last pay check and a commercial plane ticket. And then he would ask the States to hold elections for actual state representatives who are paid for by the States and not by the federal government and/or corporate interests. So they are accountable to the States they represent and not the Federal Government and/or corporate interests.

Monetary? He would initially limit the Feds capabilities and at the same time issue a debt free currency eventually dissolving the Fed all together.

I like routing for losers.

Therefore :

Go baby go!

I like some of ideas a whole lot, not so keen on making the US dollar more worthless then Zimbabwean dollars by returning to the gold standard though... :winkwink:

Although I have a certain sympathy towards some Libertarian ideas, Ron Paul would be a disaster if he were elected. Luckily, it will never happen.

Quick List:

He?s an MD that believes in homeopathy and ?holistic and nutritional alternatives to current medical care." He also makes it clear that he believes that doctors shouldn't be required to have a license to practice medicine. Transcript

He described evolution as ?just a theory?.

He is obsessed with gold and wants to return to some kind of gold standard.

He doesn?t seem to understand that the politicization of the Fed is a bad thing for monetary policy and central bank independence. He wants to dismantle central banking anyway (thinks it?s unconstitutional).

He borders on the conspiracy mindset with concerns about NAFTA and the supposed North American Union.

He sponsored the We the People Act where he for the most part pretends the 14th Amendment does not exist.

He?s ignorant of the Founding Fathers? views on religion.

He?s probably a racist and homophobe. Regardless, he's responsible for everything in these letters whether he wrote them or not.

Ron Paul has my vote :)

Well said.

Hahahaha... I think one of his points on that topic is that even if heroin is made legal, doesn't mean a swarm of people are going to go out and buy heroin and do it. I wouldn't and I know tons of people that wouldn't. People are going to get what they want, legal or not.

So you're ok with a purely profit driven healthcare system rather than a healing by whatever means necessary healthcare system. IE you can only buy our prescribed and patented vitamin C rather than that natural stuff.


Human Evolution is a theory.

He is obsessed with abolishing the Fed and rightly so. The Fed is a criminal organization who has disappeared tens of trillions of dollars in the just the last few years alone. This cannot continue and it needs to be politicized until it is abolished and all conspirators are safely tucked away behind bars.


The EU is a conspiracy theory. The African Union is a conspiracy theory. The NAU is a conspiracy theory. Centralizing control in the hands of a few is a conspiracy theory. It would never happen except in the cases of the failing EU and others.

That bill upholds the Constitution as a whole. It primarily has to do with the Federal Government involving itself in matters it should not. Such as gay marriages, religious freedom, etc.

SUMMARY AS OF:
1/14/2009--Introduced.

"We the People Act - Prohibits the Supreme Court and each federal court from adjudicating any claim or relying on judicial decisions involving: (1) state or local laws, regulations, or policies concerning the free exercise or establishment of religion; (2) the right of privacy, including issues of sexual practices, orientation, or reproduction; or (3) the right to marry without regard to sex or sexual orientation where based upon equal protection of the laws.

Allows the Supreme Court and the federal courts to determine the constitutionality of federal statutes, administrative rules, or procedures in considering cases arising under the Constitution. Prohibits the Supreme Court and the federal courts from issuing any ruling that appropriates or expends money, imposes taxes, or otherwise interferes with the legislative functions or administrative discretion of the states.

Authorizes any party or intervener in matters before any federal court, including the Supreme Court, to challenge the jurisdiction of the court under this Act.

Provides that the violation of this Act by any justice or judge is an impeachable offense and a material breach of good behavior subject to removal.

Negates as binding precedent on the state courts any federal court decision that relates to an issue removed from federal jurisdiction by this Act."

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@L&summ2=m&

Like them Paul is a high level Mason and very likely more familiar with their real views than you would ever know.



He's sponsored a bill which supports gay marriage as you posted above.. Are you black?

Obama is gonna win easily :winkwink:

First thing he would do is shut the gov down eh? Yeah, that's prob the best way to protect the people. And the States are just as corrupted as the fed, which is why the fed has as much power as they do.

Cool, I like the idea of limited gov... but how is he going to exchange my money for the new debt free money, and get all the banks the money, and transfer the value of assets, loans, debts, money, the entire economy over to this new currency, without killing off every business connection in the world because they have no banks that will take our currency?

Like I said... he doesn't have a plan.

I'm for proven medicine, not pseudo scientific junk.


He meant it in the colloquial sense of "it's only a theory". He's basically a biblical creationist, which in my book means you need your head examined.

A theory in science carries more weight than a mere fact. Theories are made of all sorts of facts, they make predictions, can be tested and falsified and often are the convergence of many different fields of study -- which is the case for evolution.

You do understand the difference, right?

You are talking completely out of your ass. Everything you just said is complete BS. Back it up with an actual argument and then I'll correct you. :winkwink:


Everything must be a conspiracy theory to you. Actual economics has nothing to do with it in your world. :helpme


I know what's in it, I posted it. If you can't figure it out, that's your problem.


Wow, he's even older than I thought. :1orglaugh




Do you understand chronology?

I have a problem with excessively old people running the show.
The older a politician is the dumber and more out of tune they are.

I prefer sharp younger leaders that take no shit and know how to solve problems.

Ghee kinda like Obama.
I would vote Republican but what the Republicans have done in the House with there promises of jobs has panned out nothing but side shows and distractions.

A Republican Presidency right now would be a complete disaster, the Democrats have not cleaned up the Republican mess yet and most people have not forgotten the Bush years and what the Republicans brought on this country. So it is simply just not time.

Jesse Ventura said if Ron Paul became an independent he would run with him.

You mean like all of those proven drugs with lawsuits all over the TV and the internet where they are killing people left and right? Natural remedies that have been passed down over hundreds if not thousands of years are "pseudo scientific junk?" You are aware that these drug companies take natural cures and develop unnatural alternatives so they can be patented right?


I understand that you believe we came from apes and I don't.



Federal Reserve Cannot Account For $9 Trillion
http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/...or-9-trillion/




You mean the failing economies in the EU?






I have a unindoctrinated view of the 14th amendment myself so It's a useless argument.


Funny guy.


I understand it has nothing to do with my comment.

Americans are exposed to around 50,000 chemicals in their lifetimes
Thats why I think we need to look more at Holistic medicine, My daughter is pre med to get in that field. Doctors prescribe too many drugs and it's not good for your system, the dialysis business I'm sure is booming..http://news.wooeb.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=716567&cat=0

I think NAFTA should be looked at, I don't think China should have Most-Favored-Nation Status

Firing Congress and the House isn't shutting down government. I understand some people believe that that's all it consists of and without them we'd be hopeless.

You might think it's a conspiracy theory but there is already an international currency being used. It's called SDR. Implementing a parallel debt free currency to the dollar isn't really all that hard.. You just want to make it seem impossible because you like many others are afraid of real change and for the most part terrified of actually having to earn a living.

X2 :thumbsup

Ron Paul is the only viable candidate period.

I'll vote for him if he runs.

Yeah, it is shutting the gov down in relation to what I said, which was protecting our people.

I don't care if it's a conspiracy or not. If they have a plan for change - then change it, again I don't care. And I already make an actual living, I'm pretty sure it doesn't terrify me. It's probably best if you stop assuming things about me, they add no value to the conversion.

What does worry me though is making such a change with no plan on how the values of our property, investments, goods and the supply chain keep moving while the change happens and how he's going to replace trillions in liquid assets held by our Corps across our Country and how the change in value of those assets will impact those corps ability to do business.


And the reason he wants to ditch congress so bad is so he can reverse the laws he thinks are unconstitutional related to a States right to make abortion illegal while ignoring that Congress has the constitutional rights to make such laws when the issue is brought to them by the people. Outside of that, him firing them will not change shit - other than a new round of people.

He has no chance of winning and to be honest I doubt he even has the intention of winning, but I love the fact that he's making people question the abuses perpetrated by the government, that he's making people aware of the problems with our economy, that he's encouraging people to study sound economic theory (the Austrian School), that he's making people aware of what exactly the constitution is and how it works (How many of you know the 10th amendment and what it means? How many know what the Principles of 1798 entail?)

Personally, I'd never vote for him (if I could) because in the end he's still a politician (one with exceptional integrity, but still a politician) and I don't vote for politicians. I don't vote at all, because not voting is the only vote that makes a difference. However, I still applaud his integrity, commitment and most of all that he's managed to bring to the attention of so many people those subjects that politicians, special interest groups and the mainstream media don't want you to talk or even think about.

by abolishing legal tender laws and letting the market take care of it.

Personal choice, not dictated what I can and can not do. This path will have a quicker way of making sure the strong survive. Be one hell of a first year thou :thumbsup

They are protecting themselves FROM you and anyone else whom might question them. See War Powers Act of 1933. You are the enemy.


Their plan involves consolidating their power and reducing you to a debt slave.. Your wish is their command..


He's been working on his plan for around 30 years now. I'm sure it's a bit more involved than just putting a new currency out there.



Oh so he has a hidden agenda of allowing a woman to choose? I think that fits right in with his "freedom" approach.

He is a true Republican, but many will not even give him a glance because he is.. a Republican.

he's a dreamer... right now we need to make money.

He's a realist. The Fed is making plenty for you. Hence the value of the dollar. :thumbsup

Way to take the exception and make it the rule. The world is not perfect and your cure is worse than the disease.

So again, proven medicine over unproven or dis-proven medicine is what I support.

If you think a guy who supports unproven medicine and Doctors not having to be licensed is a good idea, we'll just have to disagree.


Well you would be wrong. I don't believe that and that's not what the theory of evolution describes either. It sounds like you're simply ignorant of the science.

This is not even controversial among educated religious people. Where that leaves you I don't even care to know.




You call that an argument? That's an article from 2009. You're not really up to speed on economics are you?

This is the problem when you start with a conclusion and then cherry pick your support. Go learn something about the Fed and economics that you didn't read on World Net Daily or some CT site.

I know of one in 1941 for ww2 and did a quick look at the library of congress and a few other doc websites for the war powers act of 1933, I couldn't find anything.

Have an actual source that isn't a conspiracy site?


My plan involves me taking over their plan and calling them my slaves, so far it has worked equally as well.



He's been repeating the same basic ideas for 30 years and for 30 years he hasn't actually told anyone how he could pull it off.

Which is why nobody takes him seriously - the minute he started talking "action" vs. "ideas" people would stand up and take notice.


He doesn't support freedom of choice related to that choice.

Personally, I like some of his libertarian political positions; but, being more of a centerist, I still have trouble with totally decriminalizing heroin usage.

Just saying....there may be other alternatives besides prison and nothing.

Hundreds of years of use I would have to say is a lot more proven than a few years of trials conducted by the drug makers themselves. And the lawsuits agree.



"Human evolution is the origin and evolution of Homo sapiens as a distinct species from other hominids, great apes and mammals."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution


It seems you;re the one who doesn't know what it is.


Exactly, we are tens of trillions of dollars missing now.


I come from a financial background and have been preaching this stuff for years. I don't need anyone to tell me what I already know. It won't surprise me for you to ignore the facts to save face.