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michel 05-09-2011 02:46 AM
Question about eveknows.com
 
Who runs this site?


thnx

Emil 05-09-2011 02:52 AM
Eve knows.

CurrentlySober 05-09-2011 02:54 AM
Ask Graham Cooper

michel 05-09-2011 03:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 18119916)
Ask Graham Cooper
Ok, so now I'm looking for two persons :)

michel 05-09-2011 05:32 AM
I'd like to know your thoughts on this one:

http://eveknows.com/find/mp4?

I'm not liking it...

cherrylula 05-09-2011 08:57 AM
scraper no scraping lol

potter 05-09-2011 09:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by michel (Post 18120079)
I'd like to know your thoughts on this one:

http://eveknows.com/find/mp4?

I'm not liking it...
It sucks but it's not illegal or anything.

Just because people make TGPs, and submit them to thehun, doesn't mean you can say "I'm the only person that can link to these TGPs". Someone could go out tomorrow and build a website that is simply a list of TGPs that are posted on thehun.

Isn't that the whole reason behind forcing people to link to thehun on their TGP submission, so no matter if it get's linked or submitted somewhere else, there is a link to thehun plastered right there at the top of the page?

michel 05-09-2011 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by potter (Post 18120501)
It sucks but it's not illegal or anything.

Just because people make TGPs, and submit them to thehun, doesn't mean you can say "I'm the only person that can link to these TGPs". Someone could go out tomorrow and build a website that is simply a list of TGPs that are posted on thehun.

Isn't that the whole reason behind forcing people to link to thehun on their TGP submission, so no matter if it get's linked or submitted somewhere else, there is a link to thehun plastered right there at the top of the page?
To adres your last comment first: we dont require a link back to thehun. Second, our database is copyright protected. Third, this goes further than stealing just the links. All our handmade descriptions are on that site as well. Building a site out of our links is illegal and has been taken to court succesfully in the past.

potter 05-09-2011 04:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by michel (Post 18120770)
Second, our database is copyright protected. Third, this goes further than stealing just the links. All our handmade descriptions are on that site as well. Building a site out of our links is illegal and has been taken to court succesfully in the past.
You might have your database copyright protected, but that doesn't make it illegal for someone else to create a list of TGP pages that your site links to. A database as a whole with it's specific information architecture and structure is something that can be copyrighted, a list of public information cannot be copyrighted.

There is no such thing as stealing links. A web page exists on it's own, anyone and everyone can link to it if they choose. No one "owns" the sole right to link to something. Someone can't make a html page and say "Tim over there is the only person allowed to link to this page, no one else is allowed to". That's not how it works.

You might have something with the handmade descriptions, but even that is questionable - If I search my sites in google, google displays text/titles/descriptions from my sites.

I don't think you're lying on winning some lawsuit, but I have to question it's comparison and what the actual outcome was ("successfully" doesn't exactly state you won by statute of copyright law).

The Hun 05-10-2011 12:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by potter (Post 18121667)
You might have your database copyright protected, but that doesn't make it illegal for someone else to create a list of TGP pages that your site links to. A database as a whole with it's specific information architecture and structure is something that can be copyrighted, a list of public information cannot be copyrighted.

There is no such thing as stealing links. A web page exists on it's own, anyone and everyone can link to it if they choose. No one "owns" the sole right to link to something. Someone can't make a html page and say "Tim over there is the only person allowed to link to this page, no one else is allowed to". That's not how it works.

You might have something with the handmade descriptions, but even that is questionable - If I search my sites in google, google displays text/titles/descriptions from my sites.

I don't think you're lying on winning some lawsuit, but I have to question it's comparison and what the actual outcome was ("successfully" doesn't exactly state you won by statute of copyright law).
Incorrect... it is illegal to take information from ANY database and reproduce it without permission from the maker of the database. Especially since these people not only user our descriptions (to which we simply have the intellectual properties since we wrote them), but the links in our database are selected from a lot of links. They're not random links. And this site is using the properties of that list and reproduces it on his own site. Which is simply illegal without our permission.

Quote:
Originally Posted by potter
You might have something with the handmade descriptions, but even that is questionable - If I search my sites in google, google displays text/titles/descriptions from my sites.
In that case google is linking to your site...

the lawsuit we won was exactly the same scenario, someone copying links from our site and reusing them for his own site. We were the first to win such a lawsuit. Reproducing data has been illegal since a long time. We were the first to proof a list of links on a website is considered a database (not any collection can be considered a database). Legislation came from our lawsuit against that person. And we won. Successfully in this case meant he had to remove the links and pay our damage and the lawsuit we filed against him. So I would call that success..

cam_girls 05-10-2011 12:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 18119916)
Ask Graham Cooper

Uh oh! :Oh crap

I've been waiting for this moment for 13 years, dumb bitch never believed me

michel 05-11-2011 11:57 PM
a bump for a name?

adultzone 05-12-2011 12:51 AM
Adam Knows where is eve!

michel 05-12-2011 03:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adultzone (Post 18128697)
Adam Knows where is eve!
So funny

Roald 05-12-2011 03:52 AM
https://gfy.com/member.php?u=66916

michel 05-12-2011 04:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roald (Post 18129599)
yeah, already messaged him...but no reply...

potter 05-12-2011 07:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 18122367)
Incorrect... it is illegal to take information from ANY database and reproduce it without permission from the maker of the database. Especially since these people not only user our descriptions (to which we simply have the intellectual properties since we wrote them), but the links in our database are selected from a lot of links. They're not random links. And this site is using the properties of that list and reproduces it on his own site. Which is simply illegal without our permission.



In that case google is linking to your site...

the lawsuit we won was exactly the same scenario, someone copying links from our site and reusing them for his own site. We were the first to win such a lawsuit. Reproducing data has been illegal since a long time. We were the first to proof a list of links on a website is considered a database (not any collection can be considered a database). Legislation came from our lawsuit against that person. And we won. Successfully in this case meant he had to remove the links and pay our damage and the lawsuit we filed against him. So I would call that success..
To point #1. Not entirely, just because you have information stored in a database does not mean you "own" that information - you own the database (not necessarily the specific information in it). You know what I mean? For example, Amazon.com has a list of all the books written by Stephen King (which is stored in their database), that does not mean they own the RIGHTS to lists of books written by Stephen King. If I go make a website that lists all the books written by Stephen King, Amazon.com can't sue me because they have that information in their database. Because they don't "own" that information simply because they have that information in their database.

To point #2 - I might be missing something here then, because I thought the site we were discussing was a search engine?

The Hun 05-12-2011 09:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by potter (Post 18130034)
To point #1. Not entirely, just because you have information stored in a database does not mean you "own" that information - you own the database (not necessarily the specific information in it). You know what I mean? For example, Amazon.com has a list of all the books written by Stephen King (which is stored in their database), that does not mean they own the RIGHTS to lists of books written by Stephen King. If I go make a website that lists all the books written by Stephen King, Amazon.com can't sue me because they have that information in their database. Because they don't "own" that information simply because they have that information in their database.

To point #2 - I might be missing something here then, because I thought the site we were discussing was a search engine?
He is using our database and reproduces it. Just like I can copy stuff from a dictionary without permission, though the words in it are commonwealth. Just like I can't copy part of a book by Stephen King even though the words in there are not copyrighted. It's the collection - or database - that is copyrighted. They are copying our descriptions, which on it's own is a breach of intellectual properties, and they are reproducing our database.

The links in our database are not our property, but the database itself is.

Roald 05-12-2011 09:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 18130518)
He is using our database and reproduces it. Just like I can copy stuff from a dictionary without permission, though the words in it are commonwealth. Just like I can't copy part of a book by Stephen King even though the words in there are not copyrighted. It's the collection - or database - that is copyrighted. They are copying our descriptions, which on it's own is a breach of intellectual properties, and they are reproducing our database.

The links in our database are not our property, but the database itself is.
what happenend with a good old fashioned IMG-SRC?!?!

;))))

potter 05-12-2011 09:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 18130518)
He is using our database and reproduces it. Just like I can copy stuff from a dictionary without permission, though the words in it are commonwealth. Just like I can't copy part of a book by Stephen King even though the words in there are not copyrighted. It's the collection - or database - that is copyrighted. They are copying our descriptions, which on it's own is a breach of intellectual properties, and they are reproducing our database.

The links in our database are not our property, but the database itself is.
:Oh crap

Ok... So you're saying. If I go out right now, and build a webpage that is a list of 20 links to sites I like, various sites all over the world (that I don't own).

Then I OWN the rights to that list of 20 sites, and I can sue anyone who creates a list of those 20 sites for copyright infringement?

Right? That's basically what you are saying.

Even better, what if I have a database of one link to google from ages ago (before google was even made let's say). Are you saying I can go sue everyone who has ever linked to google because they are copying or "duplicating" my database?

:helpme

michel 05-13-2011 12:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by potter (Post 18130751)
:Then I OWN the rights to that list of 20 sites, and I can sue anyone who creates a list of those 20 sites for copyright infringement?

Right? That's basically what you are saying.
You're using the word "creates". Eveknows did not "create" a list of hundreds of links from thehun by himself. The word should be "stealing" or "abusing"...

It's like music. There are notes and chords (links) that can be used freely by anyone. But create a certain combination of notes and chords, called a song (database) and another person is not allowed to use the chords and notes of that song in the same order...

making a song = creating. Copying a song = stealing...

jimmycooper 05-13-2011 02:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by michel (Post 18133123)
You're using the word "creates". Eveknows did not "create" a list of hundreds of links from thehun by himself. The word should be "stealing" or "abusing"...

It's like music. There are notes and chords (links) that can be used freely by anyone. But create a certain combination of notes and chords, called a song (database) and another person is not allowed to use the chords and notes of that song in the same order...

making a song = creating. Copying a song = stealing...
Excellent analogy.

digitaldivas 05-13-2011 02:17 AM
The Hun = Respect :pimp

potter 05-13-2011 07:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by michel (Post 18133123)
You're using the word "creates". Eveknows did not "create" a list of hundreds of links from thehun by himself. The word should be "stealing" or "abusing"...

It's like music. There are notes and chords (links) that can be used freely by anyone. But create a certain combination of notes and chords, called a song (database) and another person is not allowed to use the chords and notes of that song in the same order...

making a song = creating. Copying a song = stealing...
So your saying. If I go create a web page of one hundred links (to various sites I just happen to like). Then I OWN that combination of links, and anyone who ever creates a list of those 100 websites is in violation of my copyright?

A simple yes or no would suffice by the way.





One last question though. Does it work if it's only a list of 5 sites, or does it have to be a higher number like a hundred?

So if I make a site that lists the following five websites.
? google.com
? thesharksite.com
? skidoorentals.com
? fatburger.com
? bbc.co.uk

You're saying I "CREATED" the list, therefore own it, and anyone who puts the same list on their website would be in violation of copyright?

michel 05-13-2011 10:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by potter (Post 18133818)
So your saying. If I go create a web page of one hundred links (to various sites I just happen to like). Then I OWN that combination of links, and anyone who ever creates a list of those 100 websites is in violation of my copyright?

A simple yes or no would suffice by the way.





One last question though. Does it work if it's only a list of 5 sites, or does it have to be a higher number like a hundred?

So if I make a site that lists the following five websites.
? google.com
? thesharksite.com
? skidoorentals.com
? fatburger.com
? bbc.co.uk

You're saying I "CREATED" the list, therefore own it, and anyone who puts the same list on their website would be in violation of copyright?
My 5 y.o. understood it :Oh crap

moeloubani 05-13-2011 10:51 AM
Does The Hun sue Google too for reproducing their links and descriptions?

michel 05-13-2011 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 18134381)
Does The Hun sue Google too for reproducing their links and descriptions?

Many of you dont have a clue...

michel 05-13-2011 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 18134381)
Does The Hun sue Google too for reproducing their links and descriptions?
You can check this link first: http://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&biw=1124...4854229e 03da

I dont know...but maybe you will be able to spot a difference and a similarity between the first two results and see what I mean...again..I dont know if you will


if you dont:
first link links to our site as it should (=good)
second link does not link to our site, but to eveknows.com, who is stealing our links and descriptions=not good

moeloubani 05-13-2011 11:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by michel (Post 18134413)
You can check this link first: http://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&biw=1124...4854229e 03da

I dont know...but maybe you will be able to spot a difference and a similarity between the first two results and see what I mean...again..I dont know if you will


if you dont:
first link links to our site as it should (=good)
second link does not link to our site, but to eveknows.com, who is stealing our links and descriptions=not good
I don't get it, the first link for me when I type TheHun Anal Mp4 is this one:

tgp.fassinating.com/thehun/090211/

Which would be the same link that the eve site would serve. Are you going to sue Google for offering a link that was made specifically for you guys? If you don't like it get a robots file to block that site from yours. You can't get mad at people when their crawler hits your page, crawls it like hundreds of others, yet their design/SEO trumps yours so their sites are higher.

Not my site but if it was I would tell you to go cry to someone else and would be happy to go to court and show that a crawler, just like Google's crawler, simply does a search and finds links and points people to those links.

Good luck to all parties involved!

barcodes 05-13-2011 12:43 PM
http://domaintraker.com/eveknows.com

try checking whois for this info located on the page above
Sites with Same Google Analytics Account: UA-2155691
bamracingfans.com
lifegym.com
stockvibe.com
reviewspin.com
kimdalton.com
^^^
They all link to eveknows.com

They may not all be set to private.

Since dreamhost runs their sites, if you get your attorney to contact them, can that help you to achieve anything? Im sure they wouldn't want any legal problems. To be honest the guy seems inactive on here and online judging by what I have seen. May be your best bet to contact the host.

...............................................
Domain Name: eveknows.com

Registrant Contact:
eveknows.com Private Registrant
A Happy DreamHost Customer
417 Associated Rd #324
Brea, CA 92821
US
+1.2139471032
.................................................
Dreamhost.
http://www.dreamhost.com/contact.html

Spam / Abuse / DMCA
[email protected]

you can also try adding him as a friend on facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/people/Aidan-Trent/1179157827
Im sure you guys have a hot friend that could add him

I'm a newb so sorry if this doesn't help you in any way, hope it does.
Best of luck

michel 05-13-2011 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 18134499)
I don't get it, the first link for me when I type TheHun Anal Mp4 is this one:

tgp.fassinating.com/thehun/090211/
Strange.

I get:

THE HUN'S YELLOW PAGES - [ Vertaal deze pagina ]13 May 2011 ... The Hun's Yellow Pages free links to free picture galleries, ... May 13: Anal action on the couch in this movie from Emil (+mp4 +3gp) ...
www.thehun.org/ - In cacheMeer resultaten uit de afgelopen 24 uur

Free The Hun Pictures and Movies - [ Vertaal deze pagina ]Results 621 - 630 of 1317 ... An Asian girl in anal action movies and pics from Peckah mp4 3gp. . Free DVD Porn Sex XXX Gallery BACK TO THE HUN START DOWNLOADING ...
www.eveknows.com/find/the%20hun/63?sort=d - In cache

michel 05-13-2011 01:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by barcodes (Post 18134706)
http://domaintraker.com/eveknows.com

try checking whois for this info located on the page above
Sites with Same Google Analytics Account: UA-2155691
bamracingfans.com
lifegym.com
stockvibe.com
reviewspin.com
kimdalton.com
^^^
They all link to eveknows.com

They may not all be set to private.

Since dreamhost runs their sites, if you get your attorney to contact them, can that help you to achieve anything? Im sure they wouldn't want any legal problems. To be honest the guy seems inactive on here and online judging by what I have seen. May be your best bet to contact the host.

...............................................
Domain Name: eveknows.com

Registrant Contact:
eveknows.com Private Registrant
A Happy DreamHost Customer
417 Associated Rd #324
Brea, CA 92821
US
+1.2139471032
.................................................
Dreamhost.
http://www.dreamhost.com/contact.html

Spam / Abuse / DMCA
[email protected]

you can also try adding him as a friend on facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/people/Aidan-Trent/1179157827
Im sure you guys have a hot friend that could add him

I'm a newb so sorry if this doesn't help you in any way, hope it does.
Best of luck
Thnx will look into this. I already contacted the host though


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