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carzygirls 04-22-2011 04:50 PM

*reliable programmer wanted - having some sanity is a plus *
 
At that time again where I just can't find a good fit for a programmer to be reliable on an ongoing basis.

I have small changes I do once in a while, and also start small, medium and large projects as they come up.

Looking for 1 programmer to rely on.

I have an email thread that includes about 60 separate emails from last programmer in which I asked him to send information over to a program via an API. In an effort to gain some sanity back I want to ask any programmer interested in a new client to review what I endured and to comment.

I will put everything in an easy word document and then I ask you to comment. Was it really necessary to waste so much time on such an easy task?

If interested, please email me at webmaster at danaughty [dot] com

fris 04-22-2011 04:52 PM

try hitting up scriptworkz, not sure if its busy.

sarettah 04-22-2011 04:53 PM

sig spot !!

You already know that I ask too many questions, but I would be glad to take a look and comment away if you want.




sarettah at hatterasdesigns dot com


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HomerSimpson 04-22-2011 04:58 PM

email sent...

Vendzilla 04-22-2011 04:58 PM

sane? Really? thats asking a lot!

carzygirls 04-22-2011 07:29 PM

Thank you for those who emailed me. I just fired off an email with a word doc I put together of "most" emails. The document is 35 pages long and occurred over the last 3 days.

It is totally unnacceptable to me to hire somebody to do what I feel is pretty simple and completely and totally occupy 3 days of my time with redundant, unnecessary, email questions, comments, concerns etc.

I pay for results... I would learn the language if I cared to program myself.

harvey 04-22-2011 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carzygirls (Post 18080028)
At that time again where I just can't find a good fit for a programmer to be reliable on an ongoing basis.

I have small changes I do once in a while, and also start small, medium and large projects as they come up.

Looking for 1 programmer to rely on.

I have an email thread that includes about 60 separate emails from last programmer in which I asked him to send information over to a program via an API. In an effort to gain some sanity back I want to ask any programmer interested in a new client to review what I endured and to comment.

I will put everything in an easy word document and then I ask you to comment. Was it really necessary to waste so much time on such an easy task?

If interested, please email me at webmaster at danaughty [dot] com

please send me a mail to webmaster + fdsign + com . We can take any new projects since we're in the latest stages of launching something really big, but I can take a look and let you know what's going on and eventually point you to reliable people :thumbsup

The Porn Nerd 04-22-2011 09:01 PM

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Woj.
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sarettah 04-22-2011 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carzygirls (Post 18080271)
Thank you for those who emailed me. I just fired off an email with a word doc I put together of "most" emails. The document is 35 pages long and occurred over the last 3 days.

It is totally unnacceptable to me to hire somebody to do what I feel is pretty simple and completely and totally occupy 3 days of my time with redundant, unnecessary, email questions, comments, concerns etc.

I pay for results... I would learn the language if I cared to program myself.

Sent you an email a couple of hours ago, Haven't seen anythiing back. Did you miss it?

Thanx

sarettah 04-23-2011 02:18 PM

Hmm. I didn't get a copy of the word doc and I'm not seeing much comments. What's up with that?

carzygirls 04-23-2011 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 18082037)
Hmm. I didn't get a copy of the word doc and I'm not seeing much comments. What's up with that?

Sent you the copy. I'm really not looking to exploit the details in this thread.

Like the title of thread says... reliable programmer wanted.

sarettah 04-23-2011 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by carzygirls (Post 18082162)
Sent you the copy. I'm really not looking to exploit the details in this thread.

Like the title of thread says... reliable programmer wanted.

That might be the title but you specifically stated that you were looking for comments:

Quote:

I have an email thread that includes about 60 separate emails from last programmer in which I asked him to send information over to a program via an API. In an effort to gain some sanity back I want to ask any programmer interested in a new client to review what I endured and to comment.

I will put everything in an easy word document and then I ask you to comment. Was it really necessary to waste so much time on such an easy task?
So, you want the pople you sent it to to comment or not?

Also, just curious about this but how how many people have you sent it to ? and what were their reactions?



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sarettah 04-23-2011 04:54 PM

By the way, after reading the entire word doc you sent, you do not want a programmer. You want a webmaster with strong programming skills, or a secretary with strong programming skills, not sure which one fits better.

Programing is a specific part of web development and while there are many programmers that will mess with pages and shit (myself included) many only mess with programming code.

Just as there are many designers who will mess with programming stuff there are just as many that restrict themselves to html, css and photoshop.

From what I read you need more of a jack of all trades rather than just a programmer.

Just my :2 cents:

Brujah 04-23-2011 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 18082253)
By the way, after reading the entire word doc you sent, you do not want a programmer. You want a webmaster with strong programming skills, or a secretary with strong programming skills, not sure which one fits better.

Programing is a specific part of web development and while there are many programmers that will mess with pages and shit (myself included) many only mess with programming code.

Just as there are many designers who will mess with programming stuff there are just as many that restrict themselves to html, css and photoshop.

From what I read you need more of a jack of all trades rather than just a programmer.

Just my :2 cents:

Many non-programmers I've spoken with often think if they can do html and css, they are a programmer. I've always thought that to be a bit strange, but maybe it qualifies somehow.

carzygirls 04-23-2011 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 18082253)
By the way, after reading the entire word doc you sent, you do not want a programmer. You want a webmaster with strong programming skills, or a secretary with strong programming skills, not sure which one fits better.

Programing is a specific part of web development and while there are many programmers that will mess with pages and shit (myself included) many only mess with programming code.

Just as there are many designers who will mess with programming stuff there are just as many that restrict themselves to html, css and photoshop.

From what I read you need more of a jack of all trades rather than just a programmer.

Just my :2 cents:

I'm looking for a PROGRAMMER and I said please comment to me.

Maybe you didn't understand completely but when I ask him to put stuff like the correct affiliate code in... its because I was on my cell phone and away. Not by a computer to upload and change anything.

No, I do not want a jack of all trades... I want a PROGRAMMER.

php, html, mysql, all the stuff that goes into most websites. Not a designer, not someone to update site, someone to change code in the database, create databases, API's, etc. etc.

Who have you PROGRAMMED for? Would love to ask them.

sarettah 04-23-2011 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carzygirls (Post 18082290)
I'm looking for a PROGRAMMER and I said please comment to me.

Maybe you didn't understand completely but when I ask him to put stuff like the correct affiliate code in... its because I was on my cell phone and away. Not by a computer to upload and change anything.

No, I do not want a jack of all trades... I want a PROGRAMMER.

php, html, mysql, all the stuff that goes into most websites. Not a designer, not someone to update site, someone to change code in the database, create databases, API's, etc. etc.

Who have you PROGRAMMED for? Would love to ask them.

I do not reveal my clients on the board. I will send you an email reference.

You did not say to comment to you you said:

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I will put everything in an easy word document and then I ask you to comment. Was it really necessary to waste so much time on such an easy task?
Nothing there indicates that the comments should be private. HTML is NOT part of a programmers realm. Many programmers hate html and will not touch it. These days most programs do not have to produce html, that is often handled inside templates and the program just passes the data to the page.

As far as my qualifications to make comment. Here is a thread I put up a couple of years ago, some is out of date. http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ght=programmer

Sanitized version of my day job resume (also out of date but only on what projects I have accomplished) http://www.madspiders.com/resume.htm

You still want to discuss anything?

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SpotOnTechSupport 04-23-2011 05:34 PM

See my sig for details. Ask them all you want, they'll tell you I'm reliable and quick.

Edit - Oh, did I mention inexpensive and I don't give a bunch of BS?

carzygirls 04-23-2011 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrownLeopard (Post 18082305)
See my sig for details. Ask them all you want, they'll tell you I'm reliable and quick.

Edit - Oh, did I mention inexpensive and I don't give a bunch of BS?

Send me an email if you would. It's in the first post of this thread... thnx

carzygirls 04-23-2011 05:43 PM

@ sarettah -

Do you see what you've gone and done by bringing up my quote regarding "and comment". I'm privately emailing people with what I feel is an outlandish break in communication and you've now brought up that I did not specifically say to comment to me (which is implied by the fact that i'm privately emailing you). See what I mean?

sarettah 04-23-2011 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carzygirls (Post 18082322)
@ sarettah -

Do you see what you've gone and done by bringing up my quote regarding "and comment". I'm privately emailing people with what I feel is an outlandish break in communication and you've now brought up that I did not specifically say to comment to me (which is implied by the fact that i'm privately emailing you). See what I mean?

On a public board, you stated to comment. You did not indicate and i did not take it as meaning privately. And no, I do not see what I have gone and done. Why don't you explain that to me.

It is a poor communicator that blames the receiver for not receiving the message properly.

You have an email with 3 references.

sarettah 04-23-2011 06:02 PM

Btw, that is why I ask a lot of questions up front, to ensure that there is NOT any miscommunication, to make sure that when all parties are talking about the same thing. But thats just me.








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Tempest 04-23-2011 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 18082334)
On a public board, you stated to comment. You did not indicate and i did not take it as meaning privately. And no, I do not see what I have gone and done. Why don't you explain that to me.

It is a poor communicator that blames the receiver for not receiving the message properly.

You have an email with 3 references.

You're funny.. There's this old adage.. The customer is always right... It means that even if they're wrong, you shut your trap, suck it up and do what they want after giving them all the options... Then you drop them as a client and keep your opinions of them to yourself so you don't end up ruining your own reputation.

I completely understood that he wanted private comments to the email he was sending out. Even if you had been in doubt, you should have just kept quiet to be sure.

What you've gone and done is pretty much what he was complaining about regarding the other programmer. See my first paragraph.

sarettah 04-23-2011 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18082371)
You're funny.. There's this old adage.. The customer is always right... It means that even if they're wrong, you shut your trap, suck it up and do what they want after giving them all the options... Then you drop them as a client and keep your opinions of them to yourself so you don't end up ruining your own reputation.

I completely understood that he wanted private comments to the email he was sending out. Even if you had been in doubt, you should have just kept quiet to be sure.

What you've gone and done is pretty much what he was complaining about regarding the other programmer. See my first paragraph.

1. He's not my customer.

2. I did not understand that he wanted the discussion private I took that his "he did not want to exploit" that he did not want to go into detail about what he said or the programmer said, which I did not. I did not reveal what I read. I merely stated my opinion that I thought he needed something other than a straight programmer. There are some very good webmasters out there that can handle many programming tasks, html, database work, script installs, the whole ball of wax and I merely stated that from what I read that I thought that was what he needed.

You would not want a jack of all trades to do a large programming project perhaps but as far as maintenance stuff combined with server tasks, etc. That is often the better way to go and usually a whole lot cheaper.

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Tempest 04-23-2011 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 18082410)
1. He's not my customer..

A potential customer is the same as a current customer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 18082410)
2. I did not understand that he wanted the discussion private

If he had wanted things public he would have posted it in the thread. Since he didn't, it should have been easy to assume he wanted private communications.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 18082410)
You would not want a jack of all trades to do a large programming project perhaps but as far as maintenance stuff combined with server tasks, etc. That is often the better way to go and usually a whole lot cheaper..

Can't agree with that unless funds are limited... If you get a jack of all trades, then any real programming won't be done as well as a real programmer would do it which could just end up being a mess down the road. A programmer should have a couple rates IMO. One for general type crap and then one for actual programming.

TMM_John 04-23-2011 07:07 PM

I'd be curious to take a look at that document if you'd like to e-mail it over, albright/toomuchmedia/com

sarettah 04-23-2011 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18082425)
A potential customer is the same as a current customer.

I think his chance of being a potential customer ended right about here http://gofuckyourself.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=34

In this thread right here http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=997676

Quote:

If he had wanted things public he would have posted it in the thread. Since he didn't, it should have been easy to assume he wanted private communications.
So, when someone starts a thread on this board and asks a question in their first post we are supposed to assume that they don't want you to answer in the thread? I don't think so.


Quote:

Can't agree with that unless funds are limited... If you get a jack of all trades, then any real programming won't be done as well as a real programmer would do it which could just end up being a mess down the road. A programmer should have a couple rates IMO. One for general type crap and then one for actual programming.
And as with any professional there are probably some things that you should not be asking a programmer to waste their time on, and that some might find to be outright insulting, that would be perfectly acceptable to ask a webmaster to do.

Linguist 04-23-2011 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18082425)
A programmer should have a couple rates IMO. One for general type crap and then one for actual programming.

I disagree. You're paying someone for their time. Why would I want to charge any less just because you need bitch work done?

I don't know the whole backstory but this eerily reminds me of a few clients that I had back when I was doing freelancing (the kind to call you up & ask to change the aff codes because they're not at the computer). They usually want all of your time and want you to be their personal web assistant, for the lack of a better word... but of course they're not willing to pay market programmer rates for this type of work.

Don't get me wrong though, there's a lot flakes out there too. Drama or compiling word documents doesn't solve anything.

So it didn't work out, this happens to thousands of people thousands times a day. Find a new programmer, fire them upon first sign of flakeage. Once you hear the first excuse of why work wasn't done, it ain't gonna get better from there. Cut losses & move on. Or hire a well known company that won't flake (at higher hourly rates, obviously)

Tempest 04-23-2011 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 18082454)
I think his chance of being a potential customer ended right about here http://gofuckyourself.com/showpost.p...3&postcount=34

In this thread right here http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=997676

Quote:

Originally Posted by carzygirls (Post 17702100)
So, I guess my test is this and I will email you specifics... get the email confirmation step working on my site and also my contact page is not working... fix that one as well.

2 simple things for a good programmer... you do that you have a bunch more work. I will contact you with the details via your sig.

Funny how in two places he said that he would email specifics, i.e. discuss it in private, and yet you decided to discuss it in public. I can see why he wouldn't want to use you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 18082454)
So, when someone starts a thread on this board and asks a question in their first post we are supposed to assume that they don't want you to answer in the thread? I don't think so.

He posted looking for a programmer, not to have a discussion about things on the board.


Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 18082454)
And as with any professional there are probably some things that you should not be asking a programmer to waste their time on, and that some might find to be outright insulting, that would be perfectly acceptable to ask a webmaster to do.

Maybe the programmer should specify what they do and not do so that the client knows ahead of time.

sarettah 04-23-2011 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18082475)
Funny how in two places he said that he would email specifics, i.e. discuss it in private, and yet you decided to discuss it in public. I can see why he wouldn't want to use you..

Funny how you ignore that he was already discussing it in public when I chimed in :thumbsup

Selective reading syndrome I guess.

And if you check his next "looking for a programmer" thread you will see that he states that he was looking for me. Carzy has never said he wouldn't want to use me, although he might say that now.

My indication that he is no longer a potential customer is from my end, not his.

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carzygirls 04-23-2011 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 18082454)
And as with any professional there are probably some things that you should not be asking a programmer to waste their time on, and that some might find to be outright insulting, that would be perfectly acceptable to ask a webmaster to do.

I'm going to have to put an end to this discussion of what a person should ask for from a programmer.

You read that document... you know he was programming the API as that entire email thread was going on. I told him numerous times to just make sure the API code was the one I wanted because I wasn't around my computer. This was not a separate request from me to just ask him to insert some code.

As to another comment I read somewhere. I want the programming done as fast as possible and be done with it. I do not want to call on a programmer to change affiliate codes.

Russ, you know that was going on in that HELL of an email thread to get API programming done.

Not even commenting about hiring you, not hiring you. I think you've come to the correct conclusion and reason being exactly why I had such a problem with the past programmer.

sarettah 04-23-2011 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carzygirls (Post 18082555)
I'm going to have to put an end to this discussion of what a person should ask for from a programmer.

You read that document... you know he was programming the API as that entire email thread was going on. I told him numerous times to just make sure the API code was the one I wanted because I wasn't around my computer. This was not a separate request from me to just ask him to insert some code.

As to another comment I read somewhere. I want the programming done as fast as possible and be done with it. I do not want to call on a programmer to change affiliate codes.

Russ, you know that was going on in that HELL of an email thread to get API programming done.

Not even commenting about hiring you, not hiring you. I think you've come to the correct conclusion and reason being exactly why I had such a problem with the past programmer.

I told you in my email that I would gladly give you my honest opinion of what went wrong in your discussion (the emails). If you want that discussion here, that's ok with me too. But, at your earlier request I am not going to have that discussion here so please do not tempt me with comments like you just made about "the HELL of an email thread.

I don't know if you were around when Dravyk was around or know of him. He owned allofthem.com and also had a software package that he had developed (using various programmers) called Contentgod. In it's time it was a very cool package. Drav is unfortunately not around anymore as he died of a Heart Attack a couple of years back.

He and I became very good friends across the span of a few years. We originally got together because he, like you, could not seem to find reliable programmers that would stick around. lolol. He used to burn through programmers like you wouldn't believe.

I ended up doing various projects with him from 2004 until he died, some were good, some failed, just like anything. Anyway, back to my point (because there is one).

Drav was a pain in the ass client a lot of times. Like you, he just wanted to say do it and get it done. It took a lot of time working with him to get him educated to the point that it doesn't always work that way and it was not in his best interest to approach things that way.

You have made multiple threads across the past few months seeking programmers. You seem to have a problem keeping them or in your terms finding reliable ones with sanity.

I have, in my weird little way, tried to help you out, tried to point out some of the issues.

We programmers are weird because we usually deal in exacts rather than generalities. Most people speak in generalities and that leaves room for miscommunication. That is the bridge that you need to span, strictly in my opinion, if you want to find and keep a good programmer.

Something that I have said to the owner of my company many times. "I can't do this by osmosis". I need to understand what is in your head to be able to make it occur on the computer and the only way I know how to get something out of someone's head, unless they are extremely good at writing up a requirements document, is to ask questions.

You have often stated that you do not have to do that with your designer. It is great that you found someone that is on the same wavelength as you for those tasks but you might take a long time to reach that level with a programmer. Then again, you might luck out too.

Good luck to you, for real. :thumbsup

And with that I am out of this thread and off to bury my head in code for a couple of hours.


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OnanistsCash 04-23-2011 09:11 PM

LOL, the fucking document now made me get interested :P

Shoot it back to [email protected], i probably wont take the job as i personally charge too much as i dont like working for other persons and i take only jobs that are really interesting and challenging, and an API, don't seem to be one of those .... Unless it must be addressed for a HUUUUUUGEEE platform which may need to be thought as some sort of clusters connecting between them to load balancing the API charge, caching/merging the information received, etc.

Anyway, that would be challenging/interesting project but i dont have the time for one like that, so again, i woldn't take the job, STILL, if you send me the paperwork, i could probably give you good feedback in order to fix/make it better and point you directly to people who could maybe be interested in the job ( I'm doing porn but i come from a real security/programming field, so i know bunch of REAL programmers, not just script kiddies .... )

btw, any of those friends of mine that would take the job would also not be cheap, so if you are willing to pay 2 cents for the job, send me the paperwork, but forget i will even forward you to one of them if you are not willing to pay a decent ammount for the work ;)

marlboroack 04-23-2011 11:20 PM

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SpotOnTechSupport 04-23-2011 11:35 PM

Sent an e-mail.

masterut 04-24-2011 01:03 AM

Email sent.

V_RocKs 04-24-2011 02:37 AM

good luck


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