Idea To Take Tubes Down - Is it possible? Thoughts??
 

Compete with them.

And stop dreaming they will disappear in a puff of smoke.

Massive legislation and enforcement of it, is the only get rid of pirated porn.

So you're still left with user uploaded porn. And unless someone can find a tube site employed uploader, that's the loop hole Tubes escape through. Anyone who thinks that loop hole will be closed is kidding themselves.

Even if it was what about all the sites with enough free legal porn. Will they get shut down?

So it will need a law to regulate ALL free porn outside a members area.

Who wants that?

There's a much easier way.

Give away the products the Tubes sell to support their operations.

Stop sending traffic to sites advertising on or owned by Tubes.

Tell surfers the truth about paid dating sites.

Start selling a product that's truly better than a Tube site.

All it might take is a cut in affiliate payments. :Oh crap

I see so many do nothing but whine about days gone by, how it is today and do nothing else.

Unless they open another Tubes site giving away tons of free porn.

Tubes are here to stay, legal or not. Live with them, or compete or die.

Stop whining

yes but how do you compete with tubes giving away full videos? give away the whole kanoodle ourselves? I dont think so

Are you sat in a hall of mirrors at the funfair?

Paul Markham's GFY account has been hijacked? :)

Stop selling pre recorded porn. The 2011 paysite model was formed in 1998. Little has really changed since then. Yes some sites are bigger and now we have HD. Obviously these mean nothing to buyers who have gone to free porn. So a solution is live porn. Not one site having one girl once a week. A live web cam site of girls selling to as many sites as it takes to be profitable. Not only 1-1, 1- as many as want to watch her. Pay her on people watching and make sure she knows that a hot performance will make her rich. And don't have her doing it 6 hours a day.

Stop filming the same scene over and over again. For about 80% of paysites it's pointless protecting their porn. Because the same cloned scene is on another site. If the surfer can's watch Sally getting fucked, he can watch Sue on another scene. The only difference is the color of the sofa. Many of the girls are character less and lack personality. One hot girl is much like the next. Everyone raves about exclusive. Then shoots the same scene everyone else has.

Stop trying to force customers to buy a months membership. The biggest benefit of Tubes is the consumer can watch when it pleases him. If he only watches once a week it makes no difference. On a paysite that's cost him $7.50 a time.

Stop thinking the only way to get sign ups is to add to the free porn already out there. The cost and effort it takes is self defeating. Think about the product and not the free content.

Think the customer is the most important thing today. Not the 1,000s who won't spend and the people who will send them to you.

Yes affiliates will hate that. Except if they start getting more sign up.

Ultimately have a product worth selling and start selling it. Not giving it away in the hope 1-5,000 will buy.

one of your few intelligent comments

oh well back to the idiot rants again

you might want to stop giving advice and simply stick to stating the facts of the situation

you go off the rails whenever you come up with solutions.

Legal action has already changed how most major tubes work, for the better and many of the top ones are fully legal now so changing them isn't possible.

Dating is not where tubes make money, it's a fraction of the income they make.

Tubes are the largest source of sales in our Industry, for all product/site types.. no smart person is going to walk away from them. And an affiliate type boycott is a joke when the tubes have the traffic anyway.

And with tens of millions of people daily looking at and searching for 'recorded' porn just on tubes alone tells anyone that knows anything that it's clearly still in demand.

Paul, with these retardedly obvious troll threads, you should pop an ad in the middle for your old 80s mag covers. That always works well.

HTH

Damian
xoxo

So whats the difference between watching live porn on you desktop versus a porn movie. Whats this bright idea you keep whining about?

He seems to be suggesting that cams and dating should be given away free, and that we should (get this) make BETTER CONTENT!

LOL!!!11oneoneone

Would you like to explain why this is wrong?

Dating sites and web cams that advertise on Tubes are not our friends.

A lot of Dating sites are scamming customers. There is not a hot girl down the road waiting for a date with me. That's a lie. Emailing me that if I stay a member or sign up I will meet the girl of my dreams is a scam.

We all know how it works with Geo Targeting. AFF, Fling and others advertise on these sites. But then loads here send traffic to scamming sites. So I guess if some can earn a few bucks today, fuck tomorrow.

Stop sending traffic to sites who own or advertise on Tubes.

Or just give in and moan.

I asked "Is it possible?" I guess for some it's not.

You all live in the past. Hoping it will come back. :1orglaugh

Oh I misunderstood, your idea is for everyone to stop promoting dating?

Genius, man, genius.

Can't wait for the Totally Made Up Lie Of An Ebook to come out!

If I have to explain it to you, you're best off in another business.

It's happening now as I watch.

It's real.

The girl is giving it all she's got in the hope that more will watch her.

It connects with the viewer far better than a pre recorder scene.

It's just part of a great sites package to their customers.

Or just keep selling the 1998 product and giving away tons of free porn.

every post you make, makes you look more like an idiot

Legal action won't get rid of legal Tubes.

Taking away a fraction hurts their bottom line.

Tubes are the biggest source of lost sales.

10 of millions looking at recorder porn for free while we try to sell recorded porn. Yes free recorder porn is in demand.

wait till reggie's film is cut!

Only an idiot thinks he got a result giving away a product to 5,000 to get 1 sale.

But if I'm an idiot, I've made a lot of money being one. :thumbsup

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even DP recorder porn!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-1...H+HER+NOSE.jpg

Stop wasting your fucking time and energy on this nonsense.

You are never going to put the genie back in the bottle, and time warp back to 2001, 1998, 1969 or whenever the 'good ole days' were. Those days are over. Those who had little to no skills and fell into a gold mine and simply should have managed their money better. The learning curve for making any real money is getting harder, and the bar for entry is slowly raising.

The internet has changed. It is not all about 'porn' anymore. There are plenty of other things to do on the web, and places many spend their time other than searching for porn. You also are not going to throw together some $25.00 TGP and make any real money like the good ole days. Could you make more than your $25.00 investment? Sure. But you are not going to banking like those who fell into good timing of the 'dot com' time window.

The whole internet business model has changed, along with the surfers wants and needs. You either need to change with it, and innovate, or go don the fucking paper hat and find a new career. Stop whining, and get over it already.

:2 cents:

Guys take a look at adultwork.co.uk or rude.com .... that is what you call live interaction with porn

Think this is the kind of thing Paul is on about

Im also seeing more and more porn web based games and not just the 3d ones but text based as well.... its all about interaction I guess

That's 'Pure Gold" Jerry...
 

It's one of my hobbies. :thumbsup

Agreed. While morons scream I wish it was 1998 again. I see them wish it was 2005 again. You're dead right though. Most who did make money in online porn were just lucky to get in early and survive the first few months. The marketing sense of them was as low as you can get.

Yes the Internet has changed. But those selling porn haven't. With people thinking paying for porn is wrong. The marketing in this industries does it utmost to support that theory.

Yes people need to innovate and change. That's what my original post was calling for. Seems most disagree and think changing is giving away free porn. :1orglaugh

I'm whining at this industries inability to change and innovate.

I think a lot of affiliates think it's best to spend as much as possible re-enforcing the notion that it's stupid to pay for porn and changing the product is not the way forward. Giving more and more away is going to work much better.

Listen man, we've been over this.

If you want people to BUY what you sell you need to better tailor it to what they want. When it was 1990's, I would have to search through endless foot mags and box covered of foot porn to find what I wanted. Most of the time, I would have to settle for some average looking chick and a 10 second toe lick to get off.

Now a days, people can literally zero in on what you want. Whether it is stocking, soles, foot worship, foot jobs, whatever. On top of that, there is no longer a handful of people/companies/magazines/web sites to get it from. There are hundreds or thousands to choose from. Now people can be picky about where to spend their money.

You have increased choice, and competition. It is a consumers world.

In addition to that, you have more websites on the net competing for the limited amout of time people spend online after work, school, whatever. So there are plenty of things to occupy them other than porn. The internet used to be a one trick pony. Ok, not completely, but it was more about 'porn' in the old days then it is now. It's more corporate and the choice and competition for a surfer's attention is even greater.

The point being, if you can't sell shit. Then your product is not tailored to them. So you give them no motivation to pay for it. Your target audience is not the cheapskates who will never buy anything in the first place. That's like Democrats thinking they are going to turn Republicans in an election year. They are never going to be your customer. Stop wasting your time and energy on them.

Focus on those who WILL pay for porn (like clips4sale people). Target THEM. Find out what they want, what they will pay for, and give it to them. It is not that fucking difficult. Build a better mousetrap.

:2 cents:

I never said legal action would get rid of tubes... I said "Legal action has already changed how most major tubes work, for the better..."

Whatever fraction is taken away by one will be filled by another.

Tubes are the largest source of bottle necked traffic... so yes that does create lost sales to some people, that relied on free traffic sources only and no marketing to drive business outside of those sources.

Yes, people looking at recorded porn means it is demand.. It's not like they're rushing to look at pictures, or magazines or dvd's or whatever, which is logically why those aren't in demand, in comparison. And people looking at porn of any kind means people are buying porn, always!

End of the day, you're not marketing to those people. The free traffic tap, that everyone could tap into, that drove this entire Industry, that Affiliates and Programs tapped into for for years... is drying up. If you took Google/search out of the game, 90% of this Industry would be out of business next week, that's the last major free source keeping the affiliates afloat.

Today, a different traffic source is much larger, much more valuable, and now requires a new knowledge, new technology, and a new business style that is flushing out those that can't keep up. That's what has already happened... and it's without question not the death of our Industry or sales - it's just a different game, at a different level, an entirely different business all together.

You got off his ignore list quickly too!

His password was QWERTY so I just removed myself.

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You and I are singing from the same hymn sheet, just doing it in different tones.

It's all about catering to the user.

All I'm throwing up is some ways to do it, rather than dreaming Tubes and piracy will disappear.

just right competition.

Yes the product has to be right.

because your solution is a scorched earth solution

rather then adapt to the new medium your going to try and kill their revenue stream

it will never work because for them it just eye balls, if you kill cams they will simply sell something else.

they will sell penis pills, or pheromones, or switch completely out of adult and sell something else.

you can't kill their revenue streams without destroying the entire marketplace as a whole

It basically the equivalent of trying to fight the vcr by giving them blank cassette tapes.

if its so easy why havent you done it already

another brilliant idea by paul markham

he's too busy pretending to write an ebook and taking money from piracy sites.

Death to all tubes!

Regulation of porn is strict enough and fine as it is. We don't need more of that. It's the enforcements of rights, copyrights, which need to be changed. Then we can have competition. Fair competition.

What are you talking about, take tubes down? Make an original tube or pick a micro niche to tube or something, or don't. Tubes aren't going anywhere wiseguy. If you want to try making money with a tube then do it, if you want to run a tgp do it, whatever. This type of argument is so stupid at this point.

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Can you send me magic joins?

so if we increase the monopoly control of copyright laws we will have competition
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http://torrentfreak.com/the-copyrigh...rights-110320/

stop trying to defend a limitation of property rights as a property right.

Shouldn't 2257 record keeping requirements be good enough to pretty much take down 99.9% of these tube sites?

I mean if they're pirating... There's no way the source gave them access to their records.

The main problem I see is the overseas nature of these sites, but that hasn't stopped the US from seizing the poker sites...

I was doing a long time ago.

When I came to Czech our main focus was sets.

2257 is the loop hole many get through. As for enforcing piracy that's not covered by 2257. Do you have the money to take it to court?

The law is there and it's a civil matter, the copyright owner has to enforce it.

But even if it was enforced it would make little to no difference. The Tubes that hurt the business would become legal and the traffic would stay where it s.

Keep dreaming the solution will come from others.

You are confused. Again... Consumer rights, the "limitations", are not the same as copyrights vs competition. You can consume what you buy legally, but not sell or distribute without permission. It's not fair competition if your competitor steal your work and sell it/harm you.

was at an adult dvd store last week and prices haven't changed in 10 years. Studios need to wake up and rethink their pricing. Porn valley still living like it's Y2K.

Piracy isn't covered by 2257, but there's no way a pirate has the records required of 2257. So why can't the feds be encouraged to go after these sites? They got a big chunk of change from Joe Francis of GGW, they should be able to fill their coffers with the tube sites...

If they don't pay, the feds can just seize their domains. And at that point, maybe the tube sites will stop ripping off people.

Yesterday i felt horny, i saw a brazzers update from Jenna Presley i think it was, went to xvideos.com, put Jenna Presley and found the episode full length ... I think i would had joined just to watch that movie brazzers yesterday by impulse, but figured out it was quicker to do what i did .... Not sure if every surfer is skilled enough to do this, i think they are, and this is not just a made up example, i actually had a nice onanism moment yesterday thanks to xvideos ......... Something should be done about this, i'm the kind of guy that regularily purchase stuff on internet when i need it .........

But if you still think we better adapt to it ......................... I might think you are already inlove and in bed with a tube site :)

You are a loser and a failure, why should anyone take your advice?