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Phoenix Forum Seminars Highlighted by .XXX Panel

Tempe, AZ, March 29, 2011 ? The recent approval of the .xxx domain by ICANN (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) certainly is on the minds of many, and this year?s Phoenix Forum is proud to feature the first industry tradeshow panel following the ICANN decision.

On Saturday, April 2 at 1 p.m., the two seminar rooms at the Tempe Mission Palms will be merged into one larger area to accommodate this sure-to-be popular discussion. Panel participants include: Tom Hymes (moderator), AVN Media Network; Colin Rowntree, Wasteland, Inc.; Jeffrey Douglas, Law Office of Jeffrey J. Douglas; Ron Cadwell, CCBill; Alison Vivas, TopBucks | Pink Visual.

Even though the approval does not legally mandate any immediate change, many in the industry are wondering what the impact might be, and what the potential next steps are. How could .xxx affect delivery methods? How could it impact SEO practices? Could the partitioning of content into different top-level domains (TLDs) marginalize market segments? Could the split produce a clearly defined categorization of entertainment safe from the reach of minors? Could it help combat piracy or fraud?

These and many other questions will be openly discussed and debated, from representatives on all sides of the issue. Historically, the Phoenix Forum has always taken an agnostic stance on seminar topics in order to encourage balanced panels and open discussions. The .xxx panel will continue to reflect that approach.

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Will all worthwhile processors be discussing their unified rejection of this unwanted extension, as they service the industry that supports them, or will they just be caving in, as usual?

Greed is good, right?

Even if it is totally counter-productive to the business you are in, right?

Tube On, Fellow Shortsighters, Tube On....

Ha. I bet you this will be packed.

Quoted the truth :thumbsup

I'll be there as long as the AC is cranking.

i hope TSA will let me bring a pitchfork through screening...

Such a scam this .xxx
If it is implemented and the kids can surf freely they end un on all kind of beheading and gore websites.

Meanwhile all the adult industry will be destroyed and only the big ones are allowed to survive globalist takeover!

Instead make a .KID extention so you can be sure they will only see kid stuff eh.

By the way porn made the internet without porn the internet would still just for the frustrated nerds.

Wouldn't the discussion just be pure speculation as no one really knows the answers to those questions yet?

Instead of discussing what it's *impacts* might be. Why not discuss ways to block/prevent it. As mentioned in this thread. Would CCBill step up to the plate and not allow any .xxx site to use ccbill for processing? Will other sponsors / industry leaders attending who have hosting companies, large programs, etc... block anyone using .xxx ? - i'm guessing not.

But nothing like a hot topic that will produce nothing but an increase of seminar attendance and no substance. :( biz as usual.

Considering Alec Helmy from Xbiz is pro .XXX, he should also be on the panel. Would make for an interesting debate. :2 cents:

It's a shame the Phoenix Forum runs neutral on this subject. Sides should be taken on such an issue. Not taking a stand is taking a stand.

I think you are right, then what ? It can be discussed till you are blue in the face, its been approved:2 cents:

Yeah, register or not?

More sour grapes about what CCbill should do by guys not attending the forum.
Pretty typical.

Looking forward to a lively discussion, Paul :thumbsup

Pretty much what I was thinking. All these people whining although none of them showed up to try and defeat it.

+1 ...Duh ... Winning? //gfyposter.

yeah , flying to SF to hold a picket sign would have made a difference how? please... money talks and that is why it went through.

You can throw out your little bitchy comments all you want like, people whining didn't show up. So everyone who didn't fly to SF doesn't have a right to talk? Apparently ICANN doesn't care that the "community", the govt, and the religious world are all against it, they still put it through... so don't play your games and try to make it sound like if *I* would have "showed" up I would have made the difference when the govt and religious nuts couldn't.

Now it comes down to what can be done to try to make it useless. Have fun playing the 20 questions game guessing what the repercussions will be instead of companies talking about what they plan on doing, in their power, to not use it.

But its the adult industry, who are we kidding... people are lining up to see the can screw each other the hardest.

Every industry is like this. People want to make money and will do what it takes to do so. It is pretty simple. Not to say that many in the industry cannot take a stand when necessary but overall, everyone wants a jump on their competition.

ICM will be at the show. Why not get them on the panel too?


I am looking forward to the show, this .xxx panel and several others including the one I am speaking on. We will see you tomorrow!

Mitch

I Was reading about this before I went to sleep and it made me get out of bed to post this...

Devil's advocate for all those anti .xxx

Don't we have the freedom of speech to promote our content on any tld? Shouldn't I be able to promote my videos anywhere on the internet weather its .xxx, .pg or .com?
If a webmaster want to send me qualified traffic from a .xxx domain, should I block it? The money I will get from the conversion is just as good as traffic the from another tld. None of us seemed to block traffic from tube sites that steal our content... are you saying .xxx is worse than that?

Am I against censorship? Absolutely. I believe in freedom of speech and I will join you all to protect it.

But if our fear is that .xxx will allow governing bodies to easily block our sites, don't we already give them relevant information to block us if they wanted to? How many of you already use meta rating tags or post asacp labels? Doesn't that do the same thing? We do that because it is our ethical obligation to prevent access to and warn against age restricted material.

Program owners that are against .xxx - Are you going to register your trademarked names? Absolutely.

The bottom line is that it looks like it's definitely happening. Is it important? Yes. But I feel like everyone is complaining about it instead of focusing our energy on making it what we want it to be. .xxx seems to be the new "industry killer" pushing tube sites to a close #2 on the totem pole. Show me a site that gives away my videos for free on a .xxx and I'll be real upset...

Am a supporter of .xxx? I'm not sure yet...something I will be paying close attention to at the show. But it looks like .xxx is going to happen so we all better do our best to plan for it.

It's "whether"

you've been up late... you also can't spell.

Time to put the shingles up on new house tomorrow, don't worry... momma will make ya some oatmeal after your hard day at work :1orglaugh

Yep, Lawley mentioned some obscure paypal style billing system for .xxx domains. According to his logic that would be the only reliable way for surfers to pay for porn, all other ways of paying for porn are supposed to shady according to him...

I think that you are missing the point completly.
Yes you may choose where you show your porn FOR NOW.

The point of .xxx will be that all porn and sexual related content will be banned from all other domain extentions!

But this will be the next step over a few years maybe a decade and only if .XXX is accepted by the big porn companys.

Now for people like me who expected .COM to be a secure investment in a domainname will be screwed since all my content has been labeled and watermarked with my .com Domainnames and company names.
ALL will be USELESS when this guys get their way.

It is not about you want or am allowed to. It is about that you will not be allowed to show any porn on any .com .net .us .eu or any other domainname instead of .XXX

Hahaha!
Is this the troll formerly known as mmcfadden? :1orglaugh
Guess I won't be seeing you on the flight to PHX, eh?
That damn real job keeps getting in the way.
Oh well, hold down the troll fort while the rest of us are gone. :1orglaugh

get some sleepy... need to be sharp and alert while on roof.

Don't worry... mommy will keep your basement office cozy for you :1orglaugh

Totally! :2 cents:

Awesome I love oatmeal! weather :error you are full of shit taking an easy jab or just trying to point it out so that I don't make the same mistake again.

Let's look past my obvious flaws and to the point at hand. Yes I have a lot to learn. That is why I am posting this.. so that I can better understand. So please - Point out all my mistakes and how my angles of thought are wrong.

No Lawley?

For those that expect .XXX to be mandated as porn only and all other TLD's must stop putting porn on them...

If that were the case why are .org's not policed to kick out the companies using them? They are not supposed to be used for commercial purposes, yet many people use them anyway.

.org.uk which is worded a bit more restrictive doesn't police their .org.uk domains at all...

So why do you think somehow the US is going to mandate this? And if they do... Who gives a shit? Half of the people here operate illegally and nobody is knocking at your door. Illegal tube sites are located off shore.... do the same with your .com porn!

I am glad I will make it in for this one. However since Lawley could give a flying fuck about us and he already got his way I am not surprised he cares so little about the industry he supposedly supports to even show up for this panel. To bad ICANN does not see things like that.

No, every industry is not like this. Some, yes. But not all. I've worked in plenty of non adult industries in my lifetime and not one of them is as incestuous and destructive as this one.

I haven't seen anything that states that Alec is pro .XXX. Having spoken to him on it, I have never heard him say such a thing.

Obvisoulsy it is all being globalized and controlled, what was possible in the past wont be possible in the future no more, and why dont they regulate .org instead of .XXX?
Maybe for the same reason whyIndia will bann all .XXX domains?
And the same reason why a .com and a .org only 10 dollar cost and a .XXX 60 !

Because the money is in .XXX and they want a peace of it and control it.
I am already not buying any domainnames anymore becauseof this and i will never buy a .XXX either.

Once everyone has a .XXX they will come up with a new one and you can start over again just with the huge flop .EU.

Ofcourse they will mandate all porn to be on .XXX thats the whole reason of creating it to get rid of all the porn for the kids!
Again this is a non reason since they will still end up on gore sites instead.

at 60-80 bucks per domain, i'm not even going to take a second look. its highway robbery, plain and simple. there is no justifcation for that price. how can we make it anything we want it to be? xxx was not created by adult industry people, any laws passed regarding it, we will have no say in, etc.

Will it be mandated? No one knows, but now that there will be an TLD for porn the chances are a lot more likely than before for us to be rounded up and forced to just use .xxx in the future. Without .xxx being around the chances were slim that would happen with everyone using .com.

Who gives a shit? If it is mandated then it makes it that much easier for porn to be blocked. It is a lot easier to block all .xxx domains then some .com domains that have porn on it. And "just do it offshore" tell that to the people who promote gambling online and live in the US lol...

People using .org that don't have an organization is a bad analogy. That would be a relevant analogy if people started using .xxx for non porn sites.

What's .xxx ?

I dont think Lawley gives two shits about this seminar.

Of course not, he's already won. This will be a bitch / speculation session that accomplishes absolutely nothing other than grab headlines.

It won't be mandated but the problem is that with this tld, you are forcing owners to buy them to protect their brands for their .com-s

don't worry about it, I already have datinggold.xxx pre ordered.

















j/k

no kidding, it's legal extortion. But I wouldn't bet money that it wont be mandated, one day. Never say never, I wouldn't be surprised at least in the US, it all depends whos in office and what their hot topic is at that time.


and assuming you have to pay to go to this "seminar" it will produce a lot more than headline$. Not sure how they do it at the Phoenix forum, but all of the other shows I went to I had to pay a lot extra to go to the seminars vs a show room floor only pass. Wondering if that is the same way here or not.

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:2 cents:

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Originally Posted by will76

You can throw out your little bitchy comments all you want like, people whining didn't show up. So everyone who didn't fly to SF doesn't have a right to talk? Apparently ICANN doesn't care that the "community", the govt, and the religious world are all against it, they still put it through... so don't play your games and try to make it sound like if *I* would have "showed" up I would have made the difference when the govt and religious nuts couldn't.


:thumbsup:thumbsup

That's called extortion. And I find it rather convenient that no industry attorney or group was able to get that basic point across and stop this from becoming a reality.

I have no doubt backroom deals were made and sooner or later we're going to see some great "deals" or schemes popping to help us all, by those who claimed to be looking out for the industry. Maybe not next week or even this year, but it will happen eventually after the dust settles.

Thats just wishfull thinking.

It is very obviously that they will
Its just like the Jews first they will be labeled with a jewstar or .XXX then you will suffer increased regulation wich make life very difficult to end up to be shipped away in the trains or in this case your site.

Even besides that try to pronounce this assuming you have www.livecams.com

Livecams dot com.
or your new stupid domainname
Livecams dot tripple X?
OR
Livecams dot ix ix ix?

While everyonne tries to come up with the shortest domainnames possible with this tupid move your domainnames all are at least 1 word longer.
.SEX would have made more sense.

It is so clear that this has been come upp by some big shot ceo with no common sense.
Sure 3 huge red XXX do look nice on a massmedia tvscreen. But for advertising it is awefull.

XXX does not even look like text man. put it upsidedown and you have a streetpole http://www.artunlimited.com/webconte...C/C0/C0422.jpg

with a 8 fold increase in domainname costs you may as well invest in a proper .COM domainname.

But we know this will be pushed by the mega globalist websites like google and force you to use .XXX by promoting it to the Top domainname extention for porn and punish all pornsite without .XXX in searchrankings and PR.

I dont fall for it again already made loss on useless .EU domainname and this new trick of them will make the internets only more a mess as anything else.

dont know to what shows you went recently but in the last 7 years i never had to pay extra for seminars. and i went to at least 20-30 shows

And the Phoenix Forum is no exception. The workshops and seminars are included with the price of admission.

So there isn't a price for show room floor only and showroom + seminars ?

Could have sworn I paid extra for the seminars in Miami and New Orleans in the past. Although the last Adult show I was at was in 2006.

Well then thats cool if they don't charge you extra for them now.

Great job CCbill and the panelists and Colin from what I hear.