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Machete_ 03-20-2011 05:10 PM

Guess who thinks its unconstitutional to attack another country without Congressional approval?
 
The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

-Sen. Obama, 2007

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...11/03/18/libya

Martin 03-20-2011 05:11 PM

I thought this was going to be a Ron Paul thread.

cykoe6 03-20-2011 05:29 PM

Obama lied and people died.

Jake 03-20-2011 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Machete_ (Post 17992800)
The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

-Sen. Obama, 2007

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...11/03/18/libya

Define "imminent threat" please! Very subjective term isn't it?

Machete_ 03-20-2011 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake (Post 17992997)
Define "imminent threat" please! Very subjective term isn't it?

use your fucking brain

do you think Muammar Gaddafi is ANY threat to the US nation?

Seth Manson 03-20-2011 09:57 PM

He didnt need Congressional approval. Its a joint operation, voted on and approved by NATO.

buzzard 03-20-2011 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Seth Manson (Post 17993108)
He didnt need Congressional approval. Its a joint operation, voted on and approved by NATO.

Nato scam has nothing to do with the constitution of the United States. Unless of course, nato is included in our constitution.

SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN 03-21-2011 12:18 AM

USA are WAR Criminals... FACT!

sperbonzo 03-21-2011 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seth Manson (Post 17993108)
He didnt need Congressional approval. Its a joint operation, voted on and approved by NATO.

Neither NATO nor the UN supersede our constitution. They can all vote on whatever they want to, but it doesn't affect what you need to do here, in the US, prior to acts which constitutionally require congressional approval.

For example, just because a bunch of countries voted for the Kyoto treaty, it STILL had to be ratified by congress.


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Sly 03-21-2011 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seth Manson (Post 17993108)
He didnt need Congressional approval. Its a joint operation, voted on and approved by NATO.

NATO can't force a member nation to do something that they don't want to do. The Iraq and Afghanistan War are pretty good examples of that.

BJ 03-21-2011 06:21 AM

lay off dude he's in Brazil securing plane tickets for the world cup

sperbonzo 03-21-2011 07:28 AM

And later in that same article, Hilary Clinton is quoted as saying (also in 2007):

"The President has the solemn duty to defend our Nation. If the country is under truly imminent threat of attack, of course the President must take appropriate action to defend us. At the same time, the Constitution requires Congress to authorize war. I do not believe that the President can take military action -- including any kind of strategic bombing -- against Iran without congressional authorization. "


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cykoe6 03-21-2011 08:11 AM

Impeach the the war criminal Obamahitler noooowwwww!!!!!! Say no to illegal wars!!!! Noooooo blooooodddddd for oooooooiiiiiiilllllllllllll!!!!!!!!

David! 03-21-2011 09:30 AM

No questions that Qaddafi is a murdering scum bag, from the time he took power to the UTA and Pan Am flights and to the current situation. But why the selective outrage over Libya and not over Yemen and Bahrain? And what about Iran and the 5 to 20 executions a day there for such grave offenses as being gay or being raped and bringing shame to their family, but yet not a peep from the international community.

Or yet again, the Ivory Coast President lost the elections but refuses to go and is killing people by the dozens pretty much every day, where is the international community?

It seems pretty strange that the UK and France that were real bed fellows with Qaddafi are in such a hurry to take him out. Poor Qaddafi must be thinking why the international community did not act in such haste with Saddam? Maybe the UK and France want to make sure know one knows about all of the shady deals they had with Libya...

Sly 03-21-2011 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MCO_David (Post 17993965)
No questions that Qaddafi is a murdering scum bag, from the time he took power to the UTA and Pan Am flights and to the current situation. But why the selective outrage over Libya and not over Yemen and Bahrain? And what about Iran and the 5 to 20 executions a day there for such grave offenses as being gay or being raped and bringing shame to their family, but yet not a peep from the international community.

Or yet again, the Ivory Coast President lost the elections but refuses to go and is killing people by the dozens pretty much every day, where is the international community?

It seems pretty strange that the UK and France that were real bed fellows with Qaddafi are in such a hurry to take him out. Poor Qaddafi must be thinking why the international community did not act in such haste with Saddam? Maybe the UK and France want to make sure know one knows about all of the shady deals they had with Libya...

I was thinking this same exact thing earlier this morning... why Britain and France were so jumpy on issuing a no-fly. Particularly France. I'm not very familiar with French politics but I was wondering if geography played a part in it. They are fairly close together, is France afraid of even more Africans flooding in?

GatorB 03-21-2011 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Machete_ (Post 17993011)
use your fucking brain

do you think Muammar Gaddafi is ANY threat to the US nation?

Ask the families of the victims Pan-Am Flight 103.

David! 03-21-2011 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 17993975)
I was thinking this same exact thing earlier this morning... why Britain and France were so jumpy on issuing a no-fly. Particularly France. I'm not very familiar with French politics but I was wondering if geography played a part in it. They are fairly close together, is France afraid of even more Africans flooding in?

Actually, there is a story in French newspaper about Qaddafi and supposedly money sent to Sarkozy in his 2008 Presidential campaign.
I don't think France is worried about Libyan flooding in, they are more concerned about Tunisians and Algerians. Plus Libya used to be Italians in the old days...



http://allafrica.com/stories/201103210015.html
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/1239...ance-libya.htm

brassmonkey 03-21-2011 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 17993773)
Impeach the the war criminal Obamahitler noooowwwww!!!!!! Say no to illegal wars!!!! Noooooo blooooodddddd for oooooooiiiiiiilllllllllllll!!!!!!!!

did bush get impeached for invading iraq? nope. i don't see it happening

V_RocKs 03-21-2011 09:53 AM

Without a country like the US doing what it is doing in Libya a country like the US wouldn't exist.

IllTestYourGirls 03-21-2011 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17994003)
did bush get impeached for invading iraq? nope. i don't see it happening

But congress half assed give him the slightest hit of authorization. Unlike right now where there was ZERO debate.

Brujah 03-21-2011 09:59 AM

keyword: unilaterally

brassmonkey 03-21-2011 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17994019)
But congress half assed give him the slightest hit of authorization. Unlike right now where there was ZERO debate.

well they said it was an emergency action. and china, russia didn't veto it

spazlabz 03-21-2011 10:00 AM

this thread made me LOL
constitution OMFG! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

IllTestYourGirls 03-21-2011 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 17994028)
keyword: unilaterally

Please explain. Are we bombing the rebels as well?

Peace 03-21-2011 10:44 AM

stop killing people....

SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN 03-21-2011 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17994003)
did bush get impeached for invading iraq? nope. i don't see it happening

Exactly... US are the biggest Terrorist war criminals in the history.

We have convinced the world we can kill you, your mother and her sister and you can do nothing about it!

brassmonkey 03-21-2011 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SDA CASH (Post 17994416)
Exactly... US are the biggest Terrorist war criminals in the history.

We have convinced the world we can kill you, your mother and her sister and you can do nothing about it!

this shit needs to change. :2 cents: we need to get the people that support war out of office.

EZRhino 03-21-2011 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDA CASH (Post 17993218)
USA are WAR Criminals... FACT!

You are a Fuck Tard ........ FACT!


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