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dyna mo 03-09-2011 11:13 AM

should the world sit back while gahdafi forces bomb & murder libyan citizens?
 
on 1 hand, it's atrocious what is happening, on the other hand, the u.s. haters would have a field day pointing their fingers if we intervened.

DWB 03-09-2011 11:16 AM

I don't think it should be US led, but something needs to be done, and quick. I'm 100% for intervention.

The world doesn't need another Rwanda and that's exactly what they are going to get if they allow this to escalate.

pornguy 03-09-2011 11:16 AM

No they should not sit back and watch. But someone other than the US should grow a set and do something.

blackmonsters 03-09-2011 11:16 AM

Yes, we should sit the fuck back and let nations settle their problems.

The reason they are fighting is because we keep confusing the shit out
of their people by meddling in the first place.

Phoenix 03-09-2011 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17968220)
on 1 hand, it's atrocious what is happening, on the other hand, the u.s. haters would have a field day pointing their fingers if we intervened.

might as well do what is right


because the haters will hate if you don't do something as well

Tom_PM 03-09-2011 11:18 AM

Send in drones to crater the air strips or something.

DWB 03-09-2011 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17968244)
Send in drones to crater the air strips or something.

That would be a good start. A no fly zone needs to happen today. Give the Libyans a fair chance to fight the military.

Scott McD 03-09-2011 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 17968234)
No they should not sit back and watch. But someone other than the US should grow a set and do something.

France ?? :winkwink:

DamageX 03-09-2011 11:25 AM

Yes

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woj 03-09-2011 11:33 AM

I'd say, let someone else get involved for a change...

cwd 03-09-2011 11:33 AM

hard to say. there is killing going on all over the world...do you intervene in all or none?

Joxxy 03-09-2011 11:37 AM

Action depends on national interest of any country or if any NGO/IGO's have any multilateral interests as well.

CDSmith 03-10-2011 09:01 PM

Are the people of Libya crying out to the US and the world for help?

Whether they are or they aren't, isn't it odd that people who dance in the streets burning the US flag shouting "death to the infidels!" in times past seem to invariably in these kinds of troubled times to ask why "the decadent west" isn't helping them in their time of need?

I find it odd, anway.

Last I heard there were US warships with at least one carrier in the Mediterranean off the coast of Libya, so it's quite possible they'll be getting that help at some point.

PornoMonster 03-10-2011 09:06 PM

We have to many problems right now, we can NOT afford to continue to be the worlds police. The cost now, and the cost to rebuild later................

directfiesta 03-10-2011 09:41 PM

The world sat and watch during " Shock & Awe" ....

brassmonkey 03-10-2011 09:53 PM

let him handle his business. what do you think happened in iraq?? bombs dropped and killed citizens.

TheDoc 03-10-2011 10:26 PM

Citizens will die either way and we can't afford it.

Antonio 03-10-2011 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 17968250)
France ?? :winkwink:


Well, actullay France is the only one rooting for military action so far...

brassmonkey 03-10-2011 10:33 PM

i just saw the rebels are retreating. if this happened in china do you think there would be talks about making a no fly zone? i was watching eddie griffin and he said it right. Every place the united states has been they still have troops still there 2 day. think about that.

Barry-xlovecam 03-10-2011 10:40 PM

We should provide light weapons to the rebels and use NATO airpower to enforce a no fly zone. Even the odds and see who wins ... Qaddafi is a shitstain anyway.

However, they say that the political reality in Libya is much like Iraq or Afghanistan. A divided tribal society living within internationally set artificial borders. So whatever happens, there will be continuing conflict in the area for years to come.

glowlite 03-10-2011 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17968232)
I don't think it should be US led, but something needs to be done, and quick. I'm 100% for intervention.

The world doesn't need another Rwanda and that's exactly what they are going to get if they allow this to escalate.

I'm (as a US citizen) tired of fighting and funding salvation on a global basis.
Helping people who ask for it is a compassionate act interwoven into every red-blooded American, as it should be. Forcing our help upon people is something else.

Seth Manson 03-10-2011 11:15 PM

I think we are already involved in two wars and dont need another. Let Canada help them out.

Rochard 03-10-2011 11:17 PM

We've been ignoring what's going on in Africa for the past thirty years, so why bother now? Decades of civil war, aids, corrupt governments, starvation...

BTW, Libya produces two percent of the world's oil, and 95% of that goes directly to Europe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 17971759)
Are the people of Libya crying out to the US and the world for help?
Whether they are or they aren't, isn't it odd that people who dance in the streets burning the US flag shouting "death to the infidels!" in times past seem to invariably in these kinds of troubled times to ask why "the decadent west" isn't helping them in their time of need?

This part always slays me. They seem to hate us until they need us. Fuck off already. Just let them do whatever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 17971759)
Last I heard there were US warships with at least one carrier in the Mediterranean off the coast of Libya, so it's quite possible they'll be getting that help at some point.

Not only do we have US warships in the area, we also have Naval Air Station Sigonella in Sicily, Italy. I'm not familiar with the area, but it seems to me it's pretty close to Libya.

buzzard 03-10-2011 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 17968236)
Yes, we should sit the fuck back and let nations settle their problems.

The reason they are fighting is because we keep confusing the shit out
of their people by meddling in the first place.

Exactly.

OP: How about spending your time worrying about the global elite destroying your life?
The whole mideast uprising is scripted by the global elite.
USA is in process and will happen soon, who's gonna help the good ol' USA? ...You?

What are you gonna do when foreigners are here in the USA, doing what we do to other countries?

CDSmith 03-12-2011 07:33 AM

Watched the POTUS do his speech and Q&A yesterday. Took about a dozen questions from the press and more than half of them were of this very nature... should we/are we/why aren't we etc, all about directly helping the people of Libya and ousting Gadhafi. His answers seemed to make it clear that some form of military intervention is not off the table.

Shit's a brewing.

JFK 03-12-2011 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 17971841)
Well, actullay France is the only one rooting for military action so far...

yeah, send Sarkozi in there..........all by himself.........

Emil 03-12-2011 11:38 AM

It's OK, you can go in, but gtfo when it's done.

brassmonkey 03-12-2011 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emil (Post 17975005)
It's OK, you can go in, but gtfo when it's done.

won't happen its an oil thing.

Barry-xlovecam 03-12-2011 12:02 PM

The US needs to join the French and the Britts. Currently there is a naval armada in place off the Libyan coast.



Last time President Jefferson ordered the US Marine Corps to Tripoli (The Barbary Coast Pirates) ...

Admiral Lafayette helped win us once ...

And if we get serious ...




Qaddafi's "Girls" wouldn't last the week ...

We have a chance to support Freedom Fighters in the Arab World this time ? I see that as a genuine opportunity ... Sarkozi and Cameron may be full of shit but at least they have "balls."

MediaGuy 03-12-2011 12:32 PM

Apparently there's no money in helping a democratic movement or there'd be troops on the ground and in the air there... US interests are more in the realm of arming winners and running drugs, like in central america, Afghanistan, etc...

.

mafia_man 03-12-2011 12:53 PM

Arm the rebels. The problem at the moment is they are vastly out armed.

PornoStar69 03-12-2011 12:55 PM

Bots creating fake drama

Kiopa_Matt 03-12-2011 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17968247)
That would be a good start. A no fly zone needs to happen today. Give the Libyans a fair chance to fight the military.

That aggravates me a bit. They're still debating about a no-fly zone. By the time they've reached a decision, this thing will be done and over, and there'll be 100,000 dead Libyans.

GatorB 03-12-2011 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17968220)
on 1 hand, it's atrocious what is happening, on the other hand, the u.s. haters would have a field day pointing their fingers if we intervened.

Just a question. Is a group of people attacked the white house because they wanted the President removed is it murder if the armed forces killed those people? Did Lincoln "murder" 300,000 confederates?

GatorB 03-12-2011 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 17975073)
Apparently there's no money in helping a democratic movement or there'd be troops on the ground and in the air there... US interests are more in the realm of arming winners and running drugs, like in central america, Afghanistan, etc...

.

How about we stop being the world police? If England had helped the South durring the Civil War they would have won.

Barefootsies 03-12-2011 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17968232)
I don't think it should be US led

Correct.

Let the rest of the countries who are so high and mighty finance the world police awhile.

:2 cents:

MediaGuy 03-12-2011 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17975123)
Just a question. Is a group of people attacked the white house because they wanted the President removed is it murder if the armed forces killed those people? Did Lincoln "murder" 300,000 confederates?

That's kinda of a point... though the circumstances are insanely disparate.

I mean the Libyans like the Egyptians and Tunisians before them never attacked anyone... they came out in mass protest.

If the White House turned fighter jets on the protesters in Wisconsin, would that be considered the reasonable reaction of a responsible, "democratic" government?

Just asking...

:D

MediaGuy 03-12-2011 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17975128)
How about we stop being the world police? If England had helped the South durring the Civil War they would have won.

Agreed - but the US has never "policed" anyone unless it was in their military/economic interests, and it never had anything to do with securing the nation...

:D

Barry-xlovecam 03-12-2011 01:20 PM

Quote:

Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi[1][variations] (Arabic: معمر القذافي‎ Muʿammar al-Qaḏḏāfī About this sound audio (help·info); born 7 June 1942), commonly referred to as Colonel Gaddafi, or Arabic honorific expressions which can be translated, "The Brother Leader" or "The Guide," has been the leader of Libya since his successful military coup of 1969.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi
He is not a democratically elected leader ? case closed.

We should get on the "correct side" of this ? with the freedom fighters ...

DaddyHalbucks 03-12-2011 01:44 PM

1994 --Bill Clinton, as US President, allowed 1,000,000 people to be slaughtered in Rwanda. Yes, it was "genocide." Yet, the Left praises him as a friend to black people and as "America's first black President."

2011 --Hillary Clinton, as US Secretary of State, allows Libyan citizens to be murdered by the dictator Gaddafi and his military forces. She urges slow action and world consensus.

Those Clintons are fuckers. They are just out for themselves.

:(

GatorB 03-12-2011 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 17975137)
Agreed - but the US has never "policed" anyone unless it was in their military/economic interests, and it never had anything to do with securing the nation...

:D

Oh so the US never secretly supported coups in overthrowing governments? Often times that coup leader ended up being a dictator? That stuff never happened?

GregE 03-12-2011 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glowlite (Post 17971879)
I'm (as a US citizen) tired of fighting and funding salvation on a global basis.
Helping people who ask for it is a compassionate act interwoven into every red-blooded American, as it should be. Forcing our help upon people is something else.

The rebels have made it clear that they want help.

It won't take all that much. Supply them with weapons and fly air support.

This is America's chance to get in on the right side of a revolution and score brownie points with the Arab masses throughout the region on the cheap.

It's a no brainer really.

borked 03-12-2011 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 17971841)
Well, actullay France is the only one rooting for military action so far...

I think that's what he meant, as a US taunt of course :winkwink:

Be wary of France's stance though.... it's very much political. By recognising the freedom fighters as the rightful Libyan representatives, France trumps in the Arab world and puts pressure on the rest of the UN, particularly Europe. Why? Because they fucked up BIG time in Tunisia and this is their olive branch to the Arab world - don't forget there is a *very* dramatical and controversial Muslim debate going on in France atm (national identity et al) where a minister was sacked yesterday for standing up for the muslims in this 'debate' (that has never taken place).

There are very large political chess pieces being played here, that you will never here about on the news... A no fly zone UN enforcement would level the playing field over there, but why are Russia and China threatening to veto such a vote? No idea about China links, but Ghadafi and Medvedev go back a long way, and to this day in arms deals...

borked 03-12-2011 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 17975157)
Those Clintons are fuckers. They are just out for themselves.

Which country isn't? :(

brassmonkey 03-12-2011 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 17975157)
1994 --Bill Clinton, as US President, allowed 1,000,000 people to be slaughtered in Rwanda. Yes, it was "genocide." Yet, the Left praises him as a friend to black people and as "America's first black President."

2011 --Hillary Clinton, as US Secretary of State, allows Libyan citizens to be murdered by the dictator Gaddafi and his military forces. She urges slow action and world consensus.

Those Clintons are fuckers. They are just out for themselves.

:(

at what point is gaddafi allowed to regain control of his country?? the citizens better flea the battle zone like they did in iraq. the no fly zone is just a way to take him out of power. :2 cents:

Barry-xlovecam 03-12-2011 06:00 PM

Libya: Arab League calls for United Nations no-fly zone

It's all over but the shouting soon ...

The British, French and US 6th fleets (USS Enterprise Carrier Task Force) are now off Libyan shores ...

SallyRand 03-12-2011 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17975282)
at what point is gaddafi allowed to regain control of his country?? the citizens better flea the battle zone like they did in iraq. the no fly zone is just a way to take him out of power. :2 cents:

Uh, I think you mean "flee"......................as in "to run away".........

..this is a "flea":

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ndom3/flea.jpg

Tiny little buggers, aren't they?

brassmonkey 03-12-2011 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17975668)
Uh, I think you mean "flee"......................as in "to run away".........

..this is a "flea":

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ndom3/flea.jpg

Tiny little buggers, aren't they?


thanx :) no big deal

directfiesta 03-12-2011 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17975665)
Amazing, another non-American with slanted views and a short memory. We provided a no-fly zone and launched an effective bombing campaign in Kosovo that halted the slaughter of 1000's innocent Muslims. The American people got nothing for it accept a bill that cost billions of our tax dollars. :disgust

- The U.S. wants to control eventual Caspian oil pipeline routes between the Black Sea and the Adriatic, and extend the European influence of favored ally Turkey.

- US/NATO influence in the 'devilish triangle' of the Balkans, Middle East and the Caucasus will facilitate a permanent containment of Russia and access to the oil in the Caspian Sea region. Kosovo is nothing but a pawn in that game.

- The United States is the biggest arms dealer in the world, and the Defense Secretary William Cohen spends a major portion of his time hop-skotching around the globe to line up contracts for U.S. weapons companies. Any war is a win-win situation for the war industry.

Barry-xlovecam 03-13-2011 06:45 AM

US backs no-fly zone over Libya



OK ...



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