Question about non-payment...
 

This has been nagging me for a little while. What would you do if someone refused to pay you, except for a token, and then became very difficult to communicate with?

I have been owed money by someone who will remain un-named. (Nondisclosure clause, which I don't intend to violate.) When I try to contact them about it, something always comes up. We're talking a few grand a few months late.

What would you do? I have been sitting quietly and waiting for the reply, but bills are going unpaid. Any nice solutions you can see?

Do it mafia style... break their legs. :)

No but seriously, I would pay them a surprise visit and demand the money back. If you sit back and wait or if you're really polite about it, they will step all over you. A few grand? I'd be pretty pissed off if I were you !! :)

Given my location, that could be pretty difficult. Plus, I'm not exactly intimidating guy. Have you seen my GFY card? ;)

I would do it for you if I could :)

I'm a 5'5 girl but I got a pretty psycho temper so... I think you would have your money back in no time at no extra charge! But like i said, I think I'm an ocean away :(

Violence is not the answer.

Got contracts/documents that prove he owes you this money? Sell your dept to a collection agency, that's what I do every time some degenerate online gambler tries to fuck me out of money. You don't get all of what you're owed, but if it's really becomming a pain in the ass, sell the dept and then it's the collection agencys problem. Plus if he doesn't pay up, it fucks him over credit wise.

Why don't you contact a collection agency. Maybe if this going to affect the guys credit he'll pay.

Lorna

if they dont pay you wouldnt that void any contracts such as a non-disclosure?

Interesting thoughts. I haven't worked with collection agencies before. I suspect this is a bit complicated for that, but I guess I should keep it in mind.

Has anyone here ever gotten contract pay that took some effort? If so, what worked for you?

The NDA was actually a separate agreement, so the two wouldn't void one another. However, even if it did, then once I bitch I wouldn't be able to get paid (by the reverse logic). Also, frankly, I'm not comfortable exposing someone over something like this. I still have some weird hope that I will get paid. Maybe because if I don't, I'm fucked.

Ian, if you remain passive about money you're owed you'll never get it.

Sometimes you need to go for their balls. If someone doesn't pay you what they owe you and continuously avoid you, leave your passive side at home and hunt them down.

YOUR bills aren't getting paid because of THEM. Fuck them. They need to pay up. Once someone starts to have a negative impact on your life, all niceties should be thrown aside.

I am too nice. I guess I will call the home phone numbers I shouldn't call, and get a letter from my lawyer. I was just hoping people could pay me the money they promised me without me having to fight for it. Maybe I am too positive about human nature. I think people are stupid, but don't expect then to be malicious.

ya that sucks...

With changes in my life, this is a huge chunk of my income gone missing since October. Pretty rough for me. It was a Credit Card Christmas for us this year, that's for sure. Scary debt, and actually no actually money at this point. Thanks to one shady deal that looked very honest at the time.

stick a finger up his spine

Every story has at least two sides. Its just hard for me to think much about the other side when the other side is violating a contract in a way that is crippling my livelihood.

Dude, I love being nice. I'm nice to people I hate with a passion. But sometimes you need to stop, take care of business no matter what it takes, and then move on with life.

You chase this guy down. Get your money. Then never work with him again.

You lose nothing but one possible client that will always give you trouble. So what?

He's fucking with your lifestyle. Taking the food away from your table. Take him on!

This quote seems to be in order....

Business bad? Fuck you, pay me. Oh, you had a fire? Fuck you, pay me. The place got hit by lightning, huh? Fuck you, pay me.

Easier said than done. Even if I wanted to go after them, what could I actually do that would do any good? Kindof hard to take a US company to small claims court from Yorkshire... When I try to talk to them, I get ignored, I get the runaround. Doesn't leave a lot that I can do-- Which leads me back to the original question. What do I do to get my money?

HAH !!
The way I hear it, you were fired for not doing what was expected for your set amount of pay. I employ about 20 people full time, if somebody is not pulling their weight, I fire them - plain and simple!

The bitch about working for somebody else, is that they will always expect at least 150% out of you. If you are only giving 70%, then your ass is out the door. Good luck in trying to collect a dime. Become self employed - then if your lazy ass does not want to do anything and you fail miserably, you have nobody to answer too :winkwink:

Ok, you have been given your options. You have an excuse for every solution.

Either get tough or don't get paid. Period.

I do not know what kind of agreements UK has with the US about this type of things, get your lawyer to check them out while he is writing them a letter. But first call them at their house and just be frank about what you will do if the money is not paid. My guess is that the lawyer will also suggest a collection agency since that is the cheapest way to obtain money that is owed you.

If you haven't been paid I am not quite sure what clause you would be violating. Once someone starts avoiding you that's it. You're not going to get your money unless you step it up a notch. I used to do "street" collections in NYC so I know what I'm talking about. If you want your money you're gonna need to take it. Legally (i.e. collection agencies or lawyers depending on the amount owed and whether it is worth it) or by force (I'm being serious). I think the first option sounds better in this case.

All these vague "someone owes me money" posts... It's no wonder people are holding back. You guys won't even out people who owe you thousands of dollars?! At least tell us what country or if in the US what state this jerk off lives in and maybe someone can guide you better.

This is not directed at you per se it's just that this passive "I don't want to mention the name but can you help me" is becoming a trend on this board and that right there shows why the person is not afraid to blow you off.

I wish I could help. If the person is in NC I will... What's the deal???

LD

Where did you hear that, exactly? If you like, I can send you a copy of the contract. I have not been challenged as having failed to comply to any clause in the contract. Rather than seeking the recourse included in the contract, the other party has simply withheld both payment and communication.

What do people here think... If you have a contract with termination cluases, can you ignore them and decide to bail out and not pay?

Up until this comment by someone I don't even know, I assumed I would be paid eventually. This makes me think someone has been blabbling, and that I really am screwed.

What options are these, exactly? Break legs? Ask more? Collection agency? I'm serious. I am looking for tractics, I already agree to your strategy.

Hells Angels are very effective at debt collection. They take 50%.

Cheers,
Backov

Lord thank you... You said it in many less words than me!:thumbsup

Here in Sweden they mostly work for a fixed price, I guess they don't have a worldwide pricelist :)

It's kind of the industry standard.. You can get just about any club to collect for you and that's what they will take.

I just think it's more impressive when it's the Angels. ;>

Cheers,
Backov

I would personally word that as paying 50% to watch the person shit their pants...

Call him up. Make sure you're really pissed off before you call. Bitch him out. Tell him if he doesn't pay by Friday (the money MUST be in your hands by Friday) you will be seeking out other methods of collecting payment.

You have from now until Friday to decide what you want to do. See what the International stipulations on collection agencies are. I have never used one so I have no idea how they work.

If that doesn't work, call your lawyer and see what could be done and if it would be worth it. If so, go for your money. If not, you take the final option.

Plenty of gangs in the States looking for money. Seriously. People put your well being on the line, no mercy.

They wouldn't even have to do anything to him, a knock on the door and I'm sure he would be scared shitless.

Yeh, you might lose money out of this, but at least you'll both learn a new lesson.

People actually sign non-disclosure agreements in reference to being paid ? As in, I want you to sign this paper so you you can't mention me when I owe you $2,000 ? How will you ever get paid if you can't tell anyone who owes you money ?

Sounds like a broken NDA to me.

i wonder who this is in reference to...

:glugglug

Gothweb--

Like Sly said get tough. Get a lawyer.

The law is your friend ;)

As far as NDAs go, most of them are bullshit, and will hold as much water as a seive.

In addition, you just got a lot of help from an unlikely source:

This guy evidently knows everything the NDA "might" have covered in regard to non-payment.

Therefore, even if it was only a "gentleman's" NDA, it has already been violated IMHO.


The law is your friend ;)

Well, back in the day, gothdude was saying that he was making a decent living from around 1,000 uniques a day...I really respected him for doing well in such an obscure niche...

Then Visa came along and he just bitched out....whining every thread about it...and then selling out to another company...

A couple months later, he's back on his own, talking about he had a "credit card Christmas" and how he has no money....

Everything gothdude says needs to be taken with a grain of salt.....

The NDA, being a pretty general and standard one, might be taken to cover just about anything. The last thing I need is to lose income because I said too much. Plus, I would like to give people a chance to do the right thing before I publicly slam them.

I think my standards for a good living may be different from most people on here, as I still think like a poor student. I hope you don't think I am a liar or something.

a good living MUST include being able to pay your bills without too much hassle.

Fuck the new cars, clothes, homes, jewelry, etc....but if you can't even pay your cable bill......that's fucked up...

I'll vouch for that!

You might want to watch what you say...

Yeah. I can pay my bills without a hassle... usually. Until I don't get paid for something really major (for me, I mean) for three months. Then the system kinda falls apart. So far, the bills are getting paid, but the credit card is bulging to make it happen, and we're eating a bit more rice, so to speak.

So don't call me a liar. I'm not always Boy Genius, so sometimes maybe something I say won't be 100% consistent, but I don't stand up a lie to people. I just hope that isn't what you were implying. I'm not a wealthy guy, and I'm not a pretty boy. My principles are sometimes all I have. ;)

Anyhow, I just had an interesting conversation. Not sure if it was actually progress, but I learned some things. I am not cut out for the business.

(edited to make a little more sense)

My kind of girl. :thumbsup

Back off or I'll kick your ass.

or else what?

Ya know, I hate to be the one to have to say this..

But I think most of us here know who you're talking about. Let's have a response from the program in question. You know who you are.

Cheers,
Backov

Where is all the random hostility in this thread coming from. Stick on-topic, people, I expect only non-random hostility. ;)

I don't want anyone to assume anything here. I don't want to spill the beans, I am not at that pointyet. So I won't confirm or deny any one program. I will only say that I have done a few transactions on this scale in the last 6-months, so don't assume this is what you think it is. After all, that would besmirch anyone I had worked with, and obviously they aren't all crooked. ;)

Or else nothing. Are you forgetting who needed money to go to Internext?

Tables can change, and quickly. You should know this.

I think you need to read this thread.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=101222

And start making changes.