George Bush afraid to travel? - war crime threat
 

Interesting indeed.


http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2011...xtradition.cnn



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well, is he any better than bin laden? as leader of a militant terror cell he demanded torture and war crime ... pretty equal assholes, no?

Some European pencil dick wants to prosecute GWB for being too aggressive against terrorists? LOL.

Why don't we also indict Winston Churchill for his aggressions against Adolf Hitler?

He water boarded people that were later proven innocent... and are you really, even half ass attempting to make a comparable relationship to Hitler vs Bin Laden?

Are you joking with this? :1orglaugh

And millions of Americans... and millions of more people around the globe, want to see him fry for it as well.

Doubt the Secret Service would let *ANYONE* arrest him.

who was waterboarded and proven innocent?

Enhanced interrogation...including water boarding...was used against three people and not a single one of them have been found innocent of anything and are still in custody?

Because he's dead.

In the United States, no person needs to be "found innocent". Everyone is automatically innocent...until proven guilty. Innocence is the default status under the eyes of the law.

One fact makes me less than impressed about none of them being found innocent;
the fact that, if I was water boarded then I would be found guilty also since I
hate drowning.

Then these three "innocent" people have yet to be tried and proven guilty...even though one of them is the planner of 9/11 and boasts about it.

That's no matter. It would make a powerful statement for nit wits everywhere, for liberalism, for a lay down and die philosophy, and for the end of common sense in our time.

It does matter, because since Churchill is dead, he won't be able to defend himself against his accusers.

Bullshit... that's just 3 top officials at one camp, and in that same report they said it took 14 minutes to break people on average. Yet they had to waterboard one person 183 times. So the average time to break a person is based on 3 people, one of which was done 183 times.... right..... that's how you know the report was bullshit.

Many that were let free, later came out and said they were tortured.. It's not like our gov is going to release a document on who/what/how may times, ect on torture - no records are kept unless some idiot takes pictures like in Iraq.

Several hundred have been let go, innocents... if you read the many news reports about many of them, you'll see that we tortured the shit out of those people - many different ways, denied them things you would go ape shit over... for years.

The US should've done the right thing and simply chopped off their heads. What was the record in the middle east for longest decapitation? Something like 27 seconds..

Hitler murdered millions of people, innocent people, mass murder of all types of people.

And America didn't just jump in and start fighting with Germany... oh no no no, we waited until we basically had no choice. Compared to today, Bin Ladin needs to kill about another million people, over take a many Countries and be creating a killer war machine... then we would give a shit.

Let's attempt to use some common sense please - comparing the two is completely stupid.

I don't think a guy out farming his fields that gets snagged up by the CIA deserves to have his head chopped off, all because he believes in a fairy tale that controls his life thus is a terrorist. If that was the case, most Americans would need the same thing - look at that shit DaddyHalbucks spews, he believes it, it's just as dangerous as a terrorists thoughts.

You would be the first fellow I have seen posting on GFY that had access to CIA information and intelligence.

I didn't think that innocent reporters deserved having their heads chopped off either.

And for the record,if there was anyone in US custody that did get their head chopped off Al Jazeera really dropped the ball on posting the video of it online.

Huh? I've read this many times over, it's been on 60 minutes, it's not really a secret.. but it is about 6 years old now.

I don't remember anyone invading our Country. I'm pretty sure if someone did, many Americans would be doing some nasty shit to those who invaded us.

In U.S. Custody? Who said they did?

Get some terrorist wet and bleeding hearts will want to burn him for it

Fucking pussies, if it's so bad, let them come and get him, hell, Obama gave full power to do it to Interpol

So fuck the assholes that want his ass, Water boarding saved lives by getting information, read the memo on this page, actual CIA Memo
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=3790

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraor..._United_States
"allegedly captured about 3,000 people and transported them around the world"
"the Council of Europe estimated 100 people had been kidnapped by the United States' Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) on EU territor"
"the CIA has conducted 1,245 flights, many of them to destinations where suspects could face torture"

And PLENTY of Innocent's listed on that page as well, and that's damn sure not all of them.




https://youtube.com/watch?v=-Hh-877s01U

"Khaled El-Masri is a German citizen, a father of six who the CIA kidnapped by mistake, then sent off to receive months of torture in Afghanistan.

When they realized he was innocent, he was flown to Albania and dumped on a back road without so much as an apology.

El-Masri's futile efforts at receiving justice in the U.S. are well-known, but cables recently leaked by Wikileaks reveal that the U.S. also warned German authorities not to allow a local investigation into his kidnapping.

The nearest he's gotten to justice is an arrest warrant for 13 CIA agents issued by prosecutors in Spain, which they entered on forged passports.

In this video, originally part of the Witness.org documentary OUTLAWED, El-Masri relates his experiences."

The one that was water boarded 183 times was the planner of 911. In any kind of interrogation...no matter the method used...one often gets false information...which can often be proven to be false information...or information that is not actionable...when in fact the person does have actionable information to provide...thus the need for repeated interrogation...to get reliable information...or at the least insure that you have gotten all of the information you are going to get from the subject.

All three people that were subjected to "enhanced" interrogation were and are held at Gitmo. After these three the "enhanced" interrogation methods were suspended and ordinary military interrogations methods were used.

I suspect that the tales told by some of the hundreds of detainees from Gitmo that were eventually released that told tales about being tortured was just that...tales...and only a handful even told tales of being tortured.

BTW...there are still a significant number of detainees being held at Gitmo that we would like to release but their countries of origin will not accept them...and at this point no other country will accept them.

Nobody is going to arrest Bush. It's just people puffing their chests, trying to act big.

I could imagine the conversation after the arrest. "Well, we just arrested your former President, and will be trying him for war crimes. But anyway, let's discuss this new trade deal, and if you don't mind, we could use some more military aid. Having a bit of a problem over here."

Not gonna happen.

Karl Rove...just a few nights ago...on the news...said that the so called "renditions" were for the most part people being sent to their countries of origins and were detained by their own governments (and may or may not have been tortured by said governments during their detention)...and the other reason he gave for the "renditions" was the simple fact that Gitmo was not large enough to detain them all.

Did some slip through the cracks that were truly innocent...I have no doubt that this happened. It happens right here in our country in our justice system...when our own citizens go on trial.

Yes, I remember they stopped "planned" attacks on a group of men they we already knew about and were already watching like no other - you would be correct.... But hey, once we had the info we didn't have to wait.

We sure as hell didn't like it during Vietnam - I guess as long as we're the ones doing it, it's okay?

If we only ever took those 3 people, and only ever did that to them, only - then you would have a lot less pissed off people - but that isn't what happened at all.

This would be like Germany coming here, stealing your kid/family member form your back yard, keeping them for a year or so, torturing the shit out of them - all to possibly save a few people that you don't give a fuck about - because they have your kid.

Come on now... if you can't figure out why it's extremely bad, why it's not worth doing at all.. Then I don't know what to say.

Gitmo is a public black site, we had/have many others. And Karl Rove? Come on... ding ding ding, b.s. meter just blew the fuck up.

CIA agents took them, other Countries filed complaints, many times.

You can be damn sure the Canadians did not detain a Canadian within American borders and ship them to another Country to be tortured for 10 months, just to have the Canadian gov pressure the U.S. gov to release him... and yeah, he was tortured.

That is incorrect... most of the tortures didn't happen in Gitmo - you only know of 3 publicly - when many more have come up - use your head here. CLEARLY the C.I.A. is feeding you a line of shit and you're sucking it up.

Plenty of pictures, broken bones people didn't have before, etc that have already shown proof...

Not really my problem... Are we now in the, life time pow prison camp game - I don't see it being very profitable for us.. Are we paying for other Countries fucked up people now? Brilliant move for a broke nation.

Bush had nothing to do with Vietnam, or are you going to blame him for that too?

I really don't give a shit if the international community is pissed, what have they done for the US? Fuck them for even thinking this.

And Obama gave Interpol full power to come here and take US citizens
http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinio...l-free-hand-us
But I could just imagine Interpol showing up in jack boots at his ranch, LMAO

Once again according to Karl Rove...hundreds if not thousands of the so called "renditions" were people being sent to their countries of origins...and many of those countries chose to detain them and I have no doubt that many of those countries practice torture of various types as they were...for the most part Arab countries...and it is reported that their prisons and methods are harsh to say the least.

The U.S. was and is responsible for those held in detention by us and us alone...what other countries chose to do they are responsible for and not the U.S.

For whatever your reasons you choose to believe the tales told by a relatively small number of people and not your own people...I choose...for the most part...to believe our people.

Those at Gitmo...other than the 3...were not subjected to any other interrogation methods other than standard military interrogation methods...as policy...but I am sure that there probably have been a few rogue guards...that did not follow policy. Just as there is in our correctional facilities.

I said, we didn't like to be tortured during Vietnam, hello McCain? That's VASTLY different than saying Bush had anything to do with Vietnam - I'm not even sure how you could come up with that off what I said.

Americans are pissed too.. I'm not very proud of my Country for doing this.


And Hahahaha... Obama didn't give them anything like that. Go read it... my lord.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12425

He allowed the International law that makes it so they can't sue you - which they previously could do. Then he gave kept tax breaks (like most diplomats already got) because of how wages are earned, no ss collected because they can't use it, any kids they have here aren't citizens (oh my that bad obama)...

No where in the thing does it give them any power (just like it doesn't in any other Country) to come snatch up citizens.

You haven't read any of the stories... or you wouldn't question them - some couldn't be faked if you tried, for sure when the U.S. tells the other Gov to not look into it.... yeah.

If Karl Rove is saying this... then the exact opposite is true and everything he is saying is complete bullshit. That man has never told the truth, he's the best bullshitter in the business, hands down - and very well known for his game.

Believe it if you want to or not, that's truly your own blind stupidity when evidence is all around you telling you otherwise.

They should practice it on you and the rest of the idiots that think torture is acceptable.

I...of course have read and watched interviews of the relatively small number that tell their "horror" story about their days at Gitmo...and I of course question their stories...and personally think it is almost 100% bullshit. Those that have told stories about their days in detention in other countries...I suspect that those stories are almost 100% correct.

I am not a big fan of Karl Rove...to say the least...but his explanation about "renditions" sound logical and reasonable to me.

What I think is..."it is your own blind stupidity" that chooses to believe in what ever "evidence" you perceive to exist that puts your country in the worse light possible.

I have gone through SERE training...as have thousands of other members of the military...for some it is mandantory...for me it was voluntary...and I have been water boarded...thank you very much.

Several other members of this board have also gone through SERE training and have also been water boarded.

And I am a Formula-1 driver.

No...I think not...you are just ignorant...about SERE.

First it's not a few, it's a shit ton, in the 100's... in those other Countries it was C.I.A. agents that held them and tortured them, spoke in English, etc... some of the people even knew the agents names - they have sued in various Countries for them entering them illegally - which is documented.

And it's not putting my own Country into a worse light, when THEY admit to dropping people off they kidnapped and then telling those Countries not to investigate. We didn't even try to hide it... we just didn't go around making it public on all the national news stations.

And the Canadian? Oh yeah, I'm sure he made that up, his family and the Canadian Gov went through all that shit, because THEY tortured him - rightttttttttt.....

... Oh you mean that controlled situation that didn't happen over and over again, back to back?

We didn't do what you were trained in SERE... We went WAY the hell past that - we broke the rules so far past what is allowed, it was pure out torture.

I've got this odd feeling, you were never tortured like they were..

Nobody cares what idiots like you "think".
If you were a real man you would be fighting for your country and not posting on a porn board.

I spent 12 years in the service of my country. I engaged in Operation Urgent Fury (Grenada)...Operation Just Cause (Panama)...Operation Desert Shield (I was in the very first contingent of U.S. troops sent over)...and Operation Desert Storm (the first gulf war)...where my military career was ended due to injuries sustained...and I was medically discharged in '92. I am now a 100% disabled vet...thank you very much.

amazing how you just close up to any facts that does not match Karl Rove...

In England, they are now paying millions to 4 released-from-gitmo detainess , and the Britts have been warned by the US not to allow a trial ..

I could link to it, but it is not KARL ROVE approved.

but just to avoid the " pigshit " comment:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-payments.html

Nothing new about people filing lawsuits and settlements being made...does not necessarily mean that there is any truth in the lawsuit but because of the system it is often financially expedient to settle than to fight...as appears to be the case in this instance.

And I am a 10 time Formula-1 winner.
They must have really really fucked up your head there. Nothing but air.

And you are dismissed...see sig.

Ofcourse it is the case. Otherwise you're be saying how full of shit you really are.

Run away board warrior, run away.
See my sig.