Manwin's Fabian Thylmann: "likely the biggest porn tycoon on the planet"
 

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Joe Nocera Loser on Jan 31, 11:59 AM said:
Amazing. The Greeks conquered online porn and the country still went bankrupt.

Those fucking Greeks. :disgust

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/28...f9bfaa0d_m.jpg

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Just a matter of time...

Interesting article..thanks for the link.:)

Fabian is working for a living....;-)

that's such a sloppy write up

i think manwin bought nymag or something.

At first, they focused on busty women, “because the big-tits niche was so cheap,” explains Feras Antoon, the company’s current CEO. Then “they saw, wow, that tit niche is huge. Then they realized that the MILF niche—the older-woman niche—is even bigger. And they became the masters of the big-tit–MILF niche.”

Wait a second here. In case you haven't been keeping up with GFY, according to Robbie, Robbie is both the master of that niche and overall most knowledgable and best business man ever. Hopefully a correction is printer ASAP.

:1orglaugh:thumbsup

What is a ManWin?

"Fabian Thylmann, the current owner of the company, whom NYMag calls "likely the biggest porn tycoon on the planet", argues that the wide availability of free online porn has created more people who would be willing to eventually pay for porn."

More like I "bought" a bunch of tube sites. Tube sites have taken the tens of millions of people who use to surf porn on thousands of sites and pooled most of them together to a hand full of sites, where it also just happens to have for free what some of these people use to pay for.

The "wide availability of free porn" did NOT create more people who would be willing to "eventually pay for porn" in general. It diluted the number of people who would pay for porn, but wtf do you care if there is a lot less people buying, when they are all buying through you... your sales go up because of your huge market share you gained.

In general less people buy porn and as a total porn sales are less.
Specifically, those who own top 100 traffic sites in the world have seen sales go up, because of the market share they grabbed.
They are making more money, almost everyone else less.
They are killing the industry but they don't care because they continue to make more money, at least for now.

DigitalDiva's posted a link to the NY Mag article:
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1008396

It's alot better than the biz insider sloppy synopsis.

Especially someone who claims to have gone from a 1/3 owner of Nats to Mr. 100 million dollar acquisition(s) guy in the span of just 3 years. 3 years... maybe in the late 90s early 2000 someone could have done that if they started with several million and got very lucky and made several home run buys, but in 2007 if you go from zero to 100M in 3 years, it leads one to think that if it was even done at all, it was very likely done in a way that might get your ass in a lot of trouble sooner rather than later.

I've heard a few stories over the last couple of years of others who started making millions but it was always something illegal like banging cards. Seems like when ever someone starts banking millions of fast money its from something that is going to land their ass in jail when it catches up to them.

I don't know Will, it may be a short-term death or killing that will end up increasing the appetite and creating buyers long-term. At least, as long as the consumer trusts their credit cards aren't to go be charged $150+ for something they didn't want.

Spend a little time on a site like MFC (myfreecams.com) where you can get everything free, but there's still a huge number of money being spent continuously.

Will76, your lack of vision is why I am "the biggest porn tycoon on the planet" (which I actually disagree with), and you are not even mentioned in the article once :)

You need to REALLY stop thinking that anything you do not understand must in some way be illegal.

Why, do you want people to believe it's your super duper SEO skills that made you 140 million in 3 years time???

" Thylmann made his money (NYMag estimates he spent around $140 million to build his empire) buying up niche porn sites for a handful of cash and making them almost instantly more profitable by boosting things like search engine traffic and conversions.
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If anyone believed anything you said in the past, I can't see how they would believe that. You honestly claim that from the time you left Nats in 2007 till now you made 140 million from buying niche sites and doing a better job SEO'ing them.

LOL "anything I do not understand"... Trust me, I understand things perfectly well. Time will prove it. If there is one thing I know for sure, time tells all. A couple months or a couple years, the truth is always reveled.

you talking about cams. I think there will always be a market for cams. Most traditional cam sites only make sales from a very small market of buyers who can afford to spend $3 a min. MFC taps into a much bigger market, does volume from millions of people who can only afford $5 of tips a week, and is not affected by tube sites that give away full length videos (recorded vs live and control).

In general, porn sales have gone down and will continue to go down because of tube sites. For every long term buyer you think that is created because of a tube site, 10 other potential buyers are killed off due to being satisfied enough by what the tube sites offer for free.

It's never been like this before. TGP's were great upsells. They showed either 12 pictures or a couple 30 second videos. It was a teaser, a good sample. People joined the sites to see the 1000+ full length videos because of those 30 second clips. Tube sites show full length porn videos, not 30 second clips. Most of the content you can find in member's areas are listed on tube sites or torrent sites. Why buy when you can get it for free. Everyone should have this down pat by now, common sense logic like 1+1=2.

Will, I'm not comparing tube sites to cam sites. I'm comparing 1 large cam site to itself. In the exact same location, you've got dozens of hot girls giving it all away for free. Yet there's no shortage of private shows, group shows, or guys just throwing money at them. They're at a buffet where all the food is free, but they're still buying tons of it and no sign of slowing.

funny the very next thread I read on GFY after I posted in this one was:Big credit card banger gets nailed!

" The St. George man lauded as a hero for numerous charitable efforts in Utah and Haiti has taken in$275 million since 2006 in a “massive Internet scam,” according to a federal court document."

Look, he made 275M in 4 years. You right Fabian, most people who have made 100+ million from nothing over the last couple years all did it from perfectly legal ways like being SEO pros.

I have no idea how you made 140M or if you really are the guy who even did it. I am just saying two things, the vast majority of the time money made that quick is done from illegal activities and eventually the truth will come out. /end

Hey i want 140 million dollars.

because you don't understand the dynamics of the site. You say "giving it away for free". They might be giving some nudity away but they are not giving it "all away for free". They are not giving the experience away for free. Some people are fine with not paying and just watching, others want to control, the attention of the girl or the private show.

In many cases the girls require tips before a nude show or particular act the viewers want to see is done. While most don't pay, many do. Other people get off on being the guy who spent money on her and feeling like a big shot.

The huge difference is what they are paying for they can't get for free. The site is both a traffic magnet and a way to up sell some people. But the bottom line is it doesn't take away from other cam sites.

The people who want a private show still have to pay for a private show whether it is on MFC or cams.com. The customer still exists. Most traditional cam sites make money off of this small market of people who want the control, the experience, the private show etc.. MFC doesn't dilute that, Tube sites that offer entire porn site's member's areas for free do dilute sales for those type of porn sites.

MFC is a good example of offering a platform to tap a huge part of the market that cam sites have not been able to appeal to in the past, and make money from. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you can jerk off to girls doing free shows where they don't talk to you much (if at all) and some other dick is controlling the action, then there is a 99% chance that you would have never paid for private cam shows anyway. However if you paid to access a porn site to jerk off to hot full length videos and now you can do that for free on a tube site, most will stop buying.

I love when I run into people who say " wow I found this cool cam site MFC, i love it girls live on cam getting naked, why would any one pay to see them on cam." I ask, have you ever paid for a live cam show and they always say no.

I think almost every single reason you just listed for why someone spends, can be applied equally to the tube free+upsell model for the exact same reasons.

will76, I love hearing people like you claim all kinds of things about me, its hilarious :) It just shows how little you know about true business...

Carry on, I am amused :)

that's some serious business right there.

What ever happened to Daniel, from Sweden?

I spat coffee all over my keyboard laughing. Who can I invoice for a replacement?

Great blog.

Makes total sense.

People used to pay for porn without a problem. But... ah ha... give it them for free, give them the very videos they would otherwise have to pay for, and that will eventually make them want to pay for porn again!

However, illogical people and industry dinosaurs still believe in this failing business model... Don't give people free porn and they will continue to pay for it. :1orglaugh

Jesus, the list of things he thinks are illegal must be massive.

I wonder if he posts on forums about gravity calling Newton a pirate?

Sorry... you can't buy your way onto that list - you have to earn it.

RK Media = Internet Porn Kings and nobody has ever come close to taking them off that throne.

We love you, Fabian... unless this is some kind of radical anti-capitalist forum??

It's a dwindling percentage. That's one of the problems. We start with a 100% ratio (simplicity) of people who will pay for porn. Now we add in 50 full scenes within the niche that the customer is interested in easily available on the tubes and now the percentage who are willing to pay goes to around 60%. Next we have the situation where the tube offers 50 full scene movies from the same pay site we are trying to sell the customer and the number becomes 33%. Then we add in full site rips on forums with monthly updates posted there and let's say the new percentage of that old pool of customers who are willing to pay is now 10%.

Look at the numbers and consider the consequences. You need at least 10 times the people to make up for the loss. If you can do that then you can do well with it, yes. If you can't then you're in trouble. The numbers were pulled out of my ass as estimates but they probably aren't too far off. Fill in your own and come up with your own conclusion if need be.

There is a huge difference.

As Will76 was saying with the free cam model it only goes so far. People will continue to pay for the full/private experience.

With the long length tube model a person is getting the experience, that being 20-50 minutes of a video for free which is more than sufficient. If you can get 20 to 50 percent of a porn video for free most are not going to go ahead and pay to see the entire video.

The upsells you refer to negate the value of the content which cuts severely into the profits of people selling said content.

a good little read, cant argue with the guy, making 140mil fair play!

vision. the ability to see how to use the porn industry against itself.

Quit swinging from his balls. Conquer your own shit.

Will, this is kind of embarrassing at this point, your just beating a dead horse and not even thinking about other options. Did Fabian ever come out and say "I paid 100 + million cash".

When you go and buy a house or a car, do you have to pay the full amount in cash?

This business is a positive cashflow business, I am sure he didnt use a bank to finance this, but I am sure as hell betting he could have with a good financial analysis of the company.

and

if you are in the right circles, individual wealthy investors would be all over a company like this. If they are offered a % of the company or a good interest rate on the money loaned it would be no problem coming up with even 400 million dollars in a short time.

Just because you do not have 50,100, 200 million dollars to play with, does not mean others in the world do not, and I think you would be amazed at how many wealthy people have that sitting around looking to parlay it into even more.

Nathan , let me know if you need a backlinking service. I also backlink sub domains for the extra advantage... ;)

~Ray

so basically the guy is who is he us simply because he found a couple good investors? in that case, he does not deserve all of this attention. anyone can do that with the right contacts.

chasing that paper

That's probably easier said than done. You have to have a proven track record and a decent amount of your "own skin in the game"

i want to know some of these people

my theory has always been he represents in part, a group of mainstreet & international investors, hedge funds, and other wealthy investors that have millions to toss around, and they funnel money through him to get the porn % returns, especially after the 2008 financial meltdown when people were take millions out of the stock market and had no place to put it.

Nathan convinced them to give it to him and he would get a better than wallstreet return, which he might have done already.

that's my theory.

He wrote NATS. I imagine that did the trick. But I find that kind of ironic because a big reason (but not the sole reason since NATS has other uses) for having NATS is for your affiliate program and it's mainly affiliates who are being put out of business by the piracy. After affiliates it's the pay sites (traditionally NATS' biggest customers) who are being harmed. Kind of strange if you think about it. I'd be interested in hearing his perspective on this. I realize it's probably quite different than my own.

Best 12clicks impersonation I've seen in ages!

Speaking of the devil... ;)

If you are the biggest porn tycoon on the planet, you're a tycoon ruling over a failing industry.

A couple of statements that don't make logical sense,

"Fabian Thylmann, the current owner of the company, whom NYMag calls "likely the biggest porn tycoon on the planet", argues that the wide availability of free online porn has created more people who would be willing to eventually pay for porn."

" Thylmann made his money (NYMag estimates he spent around $140 million to build his empire) buying up niche porn sites for a handful of cash and making them almost instantly more profitable by boosting things like search engine traffic and conversions."

We all know giving the product away doesn't encourage as many new buyers as it deters old one. And we all know you don't build $140 million in 3 years by niche sites. Unless they're major niche site and you're a genius.