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  • Robbie
    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
    • Aug 2002
    • 20960
    #1

    Cops...Out Of Control...

    I don't usually start non-adult threads on GFY.

    But damn.

    I'm watching the news last night and they showed a quick report that there is a law being worked on in Illinois that says if you film a cop you will be arrested and face ten years in jail!

    What a load of b.s.! So these bullies in uniforms (basically a legal gang with guns and full power over people) have been caught doing all kinds of crap (beating people etc.). And their answer is to make it illegal for you to whip out your cellphone and youtube their actions.

    I know, I know...there are lots of "good" cops. Hell, my best coke dealer (and one of my best friends) back in South Carolina is a cop and has been for over 20 years.

    But he, and one of my ex-partners (a cop), one of my brothers (sheriffs deputy), 3 of my cousins (cops), and my mom (sheriffs deputy) have all told me the stories of intimidating people just for fun and covering each other's asses when they do crazy shit.

    I sadly predict that unless cops are reigned back in, there is going to be continued violent ends for many of them. People are scared of them. I think I'd rather get car jacked than to get pulled over late at night on a deserted road by the wrong cop.

    They've been given way too much power over the last couple of decades. I still remember back in the late 1970's and 1980's when a cop could NOT search your car or even search you. Then the Supreme Court made a ruling allowing it to happen (against the bill of rights protection from unreasonable search and seizure), and in my opinion it's all been downhill since. All in the name of the "War On Drugs". And of course now at the airport: the "War On Terrorism"

    Yeah we're free alright. Just don't get pulled over. And if you see someone getting the shit beat out of them by a cop...don't film it.
    -Robbie
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    • MetaMan
      I AM WEB 2.0
      • Jan 2003
      • 28682
      #2
      You better pray to God the troops don't come back from war to fill in "needed policing" jobs.

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        • blackmonsters
          Making PHP work
          • Nov 2002
          • 21103
          #3
          Originally posted by Robbie
          I don't usually start non-adult threads on GFY.

          But damn.

          I'm watching the news last night and they showed a quick report that there is a law being worked on in Illinois that says if you film a cop you will be arrested and face ten years in jail!
          Without links to back up your story I don't believe any of that at all.

          Did you hear it "Faux" News?
          Good luck.



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            • baddog
              So Fucking Banned
              • Apr 2001
              • 107089
              #4
              Originally posted by blackmonsters
              Without links to back up your story I don't believe any of that at all.

              Did you hear it "Faux" News?
              Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland they say it is obstructing law enforcement. http://gizmodo.com/5553765/are-cameras-the-new-guns

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                • Robbie
                  Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 20960
                  #5
                  Originally posted by blackmonsters
                  Without links to back up your story I don't believe any of that at all.

                  Did you hear it "Faux" News?
                  Originally posted by baddog
                  Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland they say it is obstructing law enforcement. http://gizmodo.com/5553765/are-cameras-the-new-guns
                  There you go smartass.
                  -Robbie
                  ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                    • munki
                      Do Fun Shit.
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 13393
                      #6
                      We had a run in with local pd in OC at a show I was promoting. Cops were giving a couple skinheads shit, and a friend and I started recording. The cops quickly jumped on our cases and told us to put the cameras away, or they would see to it we were pulled in for tampering and obstruction... My friend handed one of the officers his bar reg. and ACLU card without saying a word, and we went about our business until they left a few minutes later, very quietly... but I can't imagine being in any other situation recording nowadays. Sad really...

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                        • arock10
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                          • Jan 2006
                          • 6217
                          #7
                          here is your response robbie: http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/20...-shot-24-hours
                          Sup

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                            • blackmonsters
                              Making PHP work
                              • Nov 2002
                              • 21103
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Robbie
                              There you go smartass.
                              You win.

                              I'll take your word for it now since no way in hell am I clicking on some
                              shit called Gizmodo.


                              Good luck.



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                                • Tom_PM
                                  Porn Meister
                                  • Feb 2005
                                  • 16443
                                  #9
                                  Why doesnt every motor vehicle come with a camera facing all sides including interior and exterior? And when a mayor puts up cameras at every possible location to observe sidewalks and crosswalks, will those be exempt from subpeona if a citizen claims abuse?
                                  43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                    • RyuLion
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                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 32386
                                      #10
                                      this is only the beginning..

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                                        • Tom_PM
                                          Porn Meister
                                          • Feb 2005
                                          • 16443
                                          #11
                                          "A few weeks ago, an Illinois judge rejected a motion to dismiss an eavesdropping charge against Christopher Drew, who recorded his own arrest for selling one-dollar artwork on the streets of Chicago. Although the misdemeanor charges of not having a peddler's license and peddling in a prohibited area were dropped, Drew is being prosecuted for illegal recording, a Class I felony punishable by 4 to 15 years in prison."

                                          Thats stupid and sick and twisted. And clearly demonstrates whats more important. Covering their own ass. lol
                                          43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                            • marketsmart
                                              HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                              • Dec 2004
                                              • 20419
                                              #12
                                              this will be challenged to the supreme court at some point..

                                              its an unconstitutional law no matter how you slice it..



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                                              Not a motherfuckin' cop wanna knock with me,
                                              A c-o-n-v-i-c-t, the motherfuckin' d-o-g, comin' from the l-b-c.
                                              Look at what the doc brought in,
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                                              So what you wanna do? (what you wanna do?)
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                                              If we stick 'em then we stuck 'em so fuck 'em!"

                                              Yeah, and you don't stop,
                                              Cause it's 1-8-7 on a motherfuckin cop
                                              Yeah, and you don't stop,
                                              Cause it's 1-8-7 on a motherfuckin cop






                                              .

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                                                • blackmonsters
                                                  Making PHP work
                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                  • 21103
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                  "A few weeks ago, an Illinois judge rejected a motion to dismiss an eavesdropping charge against Christopher Drew, who recorded his own arrest for selling one-dollar artwork on the streets of Chicago. Although the misdemeanor charges of not having a peddler's license and peddling in a prohibited area were dropped, Drew is being prosecuted for illegal recording, a Class I felony punishable by 4 to 15 years in prison."

                                                  Thats stupid and sick and twisted. And clearly demonstrates whats more important. Covering their own ass. lol
                                                  I didn't even know an eavesdropping charge could be filed if at least one party
                                                  engaged in the conversation knew it was being recorded.

                                                  Maybe in that state the law if both parties have to know.

                                                  Does this apply to everyone or just cops?

                                                  I can't see how I could make a case about someone video taping me talking out
                                                  loud in public. They'd have to plug their ears to not be eavesdropping.
                                                  Good luck.



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                                                    • epitome
                                                      So Fucking Lame
                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                      • 12156
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                      You win.

                                                      I'll take your word for it now since no way in hell am I clicking on some
                                                      shit called Gizmodo.


                                                      You do not belong on the Internet if you do not know what Gizmodo is.

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                                                        • xenigo
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                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                          • 8067
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by epitome
                                                          You do not belong on the Internet if you do not know what Gizmodo is.
                                                          Seriously... it's like being afraid to click on YouTube

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                                                            • blackmonsters
                                                              Making PHP work
                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                              • 21103
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by epitome
                                                              You do not belong on the Internet if you do not know what Gizmodo is.
                                                              I know this much :

                                                              In April 2010, Gizmodo came into possession of what was later known to be a prototype of the iPhone 4 smartphone by Apple, Inc..[9] The site claimed to have purchased the device for USD $5000 from Brian J. Hogan, who claims to have found it unattended at a bar in Redwood City, CA a month earlier.[10][11] An acquaintance of Hogan, Sage Robert, a UC Berkeley student, allegedly helped him sell it, after failing to track down the owner. With Apple confirming its provenance, bloggers such as John Gruber and Ken Sweet speculated that this transaction may have violated the California Penal Code.[12][13]

                                                              On 26 April, after Gizmodo returned the iPhone to Apple, upon Apple's request, the police group, California Rapid Enforcement Allied Computer Team, executed a search warrant on editor Jason Chen's home and seized computers, hard drives, servers, cameras, notes, and a file of business cards, under direction from San Mateo County’s chief deputy district attorney, Stephen Wagstaffe.[11][14][15] Since then, Gizmodo and the prosecution have agreed that a special master will review the contents of the items seized and determine if they contain any relevant information.

                                                              I won't be clicking there homie.

                                                              Not even considering that they produce trustworthy news.
                                                              Last edited by blackmonsters; 01-25-2011, 11:05 AM.
                                                              Good luck.



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                                                                • epitome
                                                                  So Fucking Lame
                                                                  • Jun 2009
                                                                  • 12156
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Someone in the comments of the Giz article makes a great point. Does this go both ways? Can the police now not use a video they have of a citizen committing a crime?

                                                                  We all know the answer: of course not.

                                                                  That is the irony in all of this bullshit.

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                                                                    • epitome
                                                                      So Fucking Lame
                                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                                      • 12156
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                      I know this much :




                                                                      I won't be clicking there homie.
                                                                      But you work in this industry? That's funny. Nice thy pretending to be on your high horse.

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                                                                        • Caligari
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                                                                          • Oct 2009
                                                                          • 5414
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by epitome
                                                                          Someone in the comments of the Giz article makes a great point. Does this go both ways? Can the police now not use a video they have of a citizen committing a crime?

                                                                          We all know the answer: of course not.

                                                                          That is the irony in all of this bullshit.
                                                                          I'm sure the law would have no problem if a citizen got footage of a perp shooting a cop...
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                                                                            • _Richard_
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Oct 2006
                                                                              • 30989
                                                                              #20
                                                                              hasn't some of those videos posted on youtube cleared police?

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                                                                                • Gabriel
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                                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                                  • 4789
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Anyone familiar with this case?

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                                                                                    • closer
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                                                                                      • Sep 2005
                                                                                      • 1707
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      what about news crews? can't they record arrests any more either in those states now?

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                                                                                        • DWB
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                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                          • 31779
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Just imagine what it's going to be like in 10 more years.

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                                                                                            • baddog
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                              • 107089
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                                              I didn't even know an eavesdropping charge could be filed if at least one party
                                                                                              engaged in the conversation knew it was being recorded.

                                                                                              Maybe in that state the law if both parties have to know.

                                                                                              Does this apply to everyone or just cops?

                                                                                              I can't see how I could make a case about someone video taping me talking out
                                                                                              loud in public. They'd have to plug their ears to not be eavesdropping.
                                                                                              Different states have different laws.

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                                                                                                • MediaGuy
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                                                                                                  • Sep 2004
                                                                                                  • 5500
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Under the Eavesdropping Act, which applies in 12 states, all parties must consent to a recording being made.
                                                                                                  Maryland, Illinois and Massachusetts are the only states where it is illegal to record conversations with the police.
                                                                                                  In Illinois police are currently prosecuting nine people for alleged breaches of the law.
                                                                                                  The maximum penalty is only three years behind bars for the first time the law is broken and five years if it is done again,
                                                                                                  But anyone recording a judge, attorney general, state attorney or police officer can be sent to jail for up to 15 years.
                                                                                                  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1By9Fzp5m

                                                                                                  Even a public servant serving in public... who's beating someone's ass just for fun or 'cause he didn't get his morning blowjob...

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                                                                                                    • kane
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                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                      • 20684
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                      hasn't some of those videos posted on youtube cleared police?
                                                                                                      Actually yeah. There was a video of a cop fighting with a couple of women in Seattle a while back. After the arrest they wanted to press charges/sue saying he was using excessive force against them.When the video came out not only was the cop shown to have done nothing wrong one of the girls actually apologized to him for acting like an idiot.

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                                                                                                        • _Richard_
                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                          • Oct 2006
                                                                                                          • 30989
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                          Actually yeah. There was a video of a cop fighting with a couple of women in Seattle a while back. After the arrest they wanted to press charges/sue saying he was using excessive force against them.When the video came out not only was the cop shown to have done nothing wrong one of the girls actually apologized to him for acting like an idiot.
                                                                                                          yea that is what i was thinking of.. i recall it defusing a tense situation for those cops

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                                                                                                            • kane
                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                                              • 20684
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                              yea that is what i was thinking of.. i recall it defusing a tense situation for those cops
                                                                                                              I think that is why a lot of cop cars now have dash cams. But, it can be a two edged sword. If the cop is doing his job and does nothing wrong the camera can show it, but if they get stupid, it can bit them in the ass.

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                                                                                                                • BV
                                                                                                                  wtf
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                  • 10914
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Robbie

                                                                                                                  They've been given way too much power over the last couple of decades. I still remember back in the late 1970's and 1980's when a cop could NOT search your car or even search you. Then the Supreme Court made a ruling allowing it to happen (against the bill of rights protection from unreasonable search and seizure), and in my opinion it's all been downhill since. All in the name of the "War On Drugs". And of course now at the airport: the "War On Terrorism"

                                                                                                                  Actually that came about in 1968 and had nothing to do with RR's "War on Drugs" or GWB's "War On Terrorism"

                                                                                                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio

                                                                                                                  Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court which held that the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures is not violated when a police officer stops a suspect on the street and searches him without probable cause to arrest, if the police officer has a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime.
                                                                                                                  For their own protection, police may perform a quick surface search of the person?s outer clothing for weapons if they have reasonable suspicion that the person stopped is armed. This reasonable suspicion must be based on "specific and articulable facts" and not merely upon an officer's hunch. This permitted police action has subsequently been referred to in short as a "stop and frisk," or simply a "Terry stop". The Terry standard was later extended to temporary detentions of persons in vehicles, known as traffic stops.
                                                                                                                  The rationale behind the Supreme Court decision revolves around the understanding that, as the opinion notes, "the exclusionary rule has its limitations." The meaning of the rule is to protect persons from unreasonable searches and seizures aimed at gathering evidence, not searches and seizures for other purposes (like prevention of crime or personal protection of police officers).

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                                                                                                                    • justinsain
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                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                      • 3374
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I like how the media now plays everyone's 911 calls for entertainment.

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                                                                                                                        • Robbie
                                                                                                                          Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                          • 20960
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                                          Actually that came about in 1968 and had nothing to do with RR's "War on Drugs" or GWB's "War On Terrorism"

                                                                                                                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio

                                                                                                                          Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court which held that the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures is not violated when a police officer stops a suspect on the street and searches him without probable cause to arrest, if the police officer has a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime.
                                                                                                                          For their own protection, police may perform a quick surface search of the person’s outer clothing for weapons if they have reasonable suspicion that the person stopped is armed. This reasonable suspicion must be based on "specific and articulable facts" and not merely upon an officer's hunch. This permitted police action has subsequently been referred to in short as a "stop and frisk," or simply a "Terry stop". The Terry standard was later extended to temporary detentions of persons in vehicles, known as traffic stops.
                                                                                                                          The rationale behind the Supreme Court decision revolves around the understanding that, as the opinion notes, "the exclusionary rule has its limitations." The meaning of the rule is to protect persons from unreasonable searches and seizures aimed at gathering evidence, not searches and seizures for other purposes (like prevention of crime or personal protection of police officers).
                                                                                                                          I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to them pulling you over on a traffic stop, making you get out of the car, frisking you, searching your car, going through a woman's purse, etc.

                                                                                                                          I know in the 1970s and most of the 1980's they couldn't do that. I know because I was pulled over many times and had coke in my pocket and my then wife had pot and coke in her purse. But they couldn't do anything.

                                                                                                                          Now? If they want to they can drag your ass out of the car frisk you and then pretty much destroy your car (I had them completely wreck a $1500 stereo system in the early 90's) and there's nothing you can do about it.

                                                                                                                          Matter of fact if you even TALK...like ask them "what is the problem officer?" They will tell you to SHUT UP. Completely rude and completely intimidating and bullying.
                                                                                                                          Last edited by Robbie; 01-25-2011, 01:53 PM.
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                                                                                                                            • mynameisjim
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                                                                                                                              • Aug 2007
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              The idea that most cops are good and there are only few "bad apples" can easily be proven false. Look at when a cop breaks the law and it's clearly caught on camera, all the other cops come to his defense. If they were mostly good, wouldn't they want to purge the "bad apples" when they are caught?

                                                                                                                              Here in Chicago, an off duty cop beat a female bartender on camera for almost two straight minutes. He was obviously guilty, yet all the other cops gave him special treatment, used police vehicles and their own authority to block the press and even gave him special rides to and from court so he could avoid the media. Why would they go to such lengths to protect this obvious "bad apple"? It's because most cops are actually bad with a few good apples here and there. They have adopted this "us against them" mentality and believe that everyone who is a non cop is out to get them. They dress and act more like a pseudo military organization instead of police officers meant to support the citizens who pay their salary.

                                                                                                                              BTW, I can post 10 stories in Chicago from the last year exactly like the cop who beat that woman and other cops protected him. Everything from beatings to killings. They are in the paper and you can google them. It basically proves the whole few bad apple theory as completely false, at least in Chicago.
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                                                                                                                                • baddog
                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 107089
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by mynameisjim
                                                                                                                                  It's because most cops are actually bad with a few good apples here and there.
                                                                                                                                  Bullshit

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                                                                                                                                    • chaze
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by MetaMan
                                                                                                                                      You better pray to God the troops don't come back from war to fill in "needed policing" jobs.
                                                                                                                                      Good point man
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                                                                                                                                        • jimmy-3-way
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by mynameisjim
                                                                                                                                          It's because most cops are actually bad with a few good apples here and there.
                                                                                                                                          Quoted for truth.
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                                                                                                                                            • jimmy-3-way
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by mynameisjim
                                                                                                                                              BTW, I can post 10 stories in Chicago from the last year exactly like the cop who beat that woman and other cops protected him. Everything from beatings to killings. They are in the paper and you can google them. It basically proves the whole few bad apple theory as completely false, at least in Chicago.
                                                                                                                                              What about the cops in Philly that were shaking down immigrant bodega owners - they'd roll on them, arrest the entire family and staff, then while they were in lockup trying to make bail they'd tear the stores apart and steal every cent they found.
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                                                                                                                                                • jimmy-3-way
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by jimmy-3-way
                                                                                                                                                  What about the cops in Philly that were shaking down immigrant bodega owners - they'd roll on them, arrest the entire family and staff, then while they were in lockup trying to make bail they'd tear the stores apart and steal every cent they found.
                                                                                                                                                  For you douches who demand a link because you never fucking watch news other than TMZ:

                                                                                                                                                  http://reason.com/blog/2009/05/01/ph...ids-update-rog
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                                                                                                                                                    • Lester Burnham
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      The quality of the police force would increase exponentially if:

                                                                                                                                                      (1) they required a 4 year college education (not some bullshit 2 year "law enforcement" degree from some online university)
                                                                                                                                                      (2) they required stringent height/weight requirements for the duration of their service;
                                                                                                                                                      (3) you can only serve in the city you live in (some jurisdictions may have this); and
                                                                                                                                                      (4) they paid a lot better

                                                                                                                                                      I used to call police force taxes "white welfare" contributions lol. Generally speaking, dudes that can't get jobs anywhere else become cops.

                                                                                                                                                      And don't ever divorce a cop. Friend of mine is trying to divorce one, and he is fucking crazy. I referred her to a divorce lawyer, and the lawyer said, "cops are by far the worst to deal with in divorces."

                                                                                                                                                      With all that said, there are a ton of good cops, though I'd say 95% of my interactions with the police have been negative (and I'm a law abiding citizen).

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                                                                                                                                                        • kane
                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 20684
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by mynameisjim
                                                                                                                                                          The idea that most cops are good and there are only few "bad apples" can easily be proven false. Look at when a cop breaks the law and it's clearly caught on camera, all the other cops come to his defense. If they were mostly good, wouldn't they want to purge the "bad apples" when they are caught?

                                                                                                                                                          Here in Chicago, an off duty cop beat a female bartender on camera for almost two straight minutes. He was obviously guilty, yet all the other cops gave him special treatment, used police vehicles and their own authority to block the press and even gave him special rides to and from court so he could avoid the media. Why would they go to such lengths to protect this obvious "bad apple"? It's because most cops are actually bad with a few good apples here and there. They have adopted this "us against them" mentality and believe that everyone who is a non cop is out to get them. They dress and act more like a pseudo military organization instead of police officers meant to support the citizens who pay their salary.

                                                                                                                                                          BTW, I can post 10 stories in Chicago from the last year exactly like the cop who beat that woman and other cops protected him. Everything from beatings to killings. They are in the paper and you can google them. It basically proves the whole few bad apple theory as completely false, at least in Chicago.
                                                                                                                                                          I would disagree with you and can give you an example that is just the opposite.

                                                                                                                                                          In the town I live in (it is small) they had a cop of falsified a report and he got caught. He was fired. He sued the city saying that he was wrongly terminated and the union came to his defense. After 18 months his case made it arbitration. the arbitrator found that while he was wrong in falsifying the report firing him was too harsh of a penalty. They forced the city to hire him back and pay him his lost pay for those 18 months. When he came back none of the cops in the department would work with him. They refused to work with him. The district attorney refused to take any case that had his name on it. This left him as being useless. The entire department told the chief that he would have to fire them all if he was going to force them to work with this guy.

                                                                                                                                                          The guy stayed on and worked for another year answering phones and taking walk ins, but then the city was able to get his law enforcement certificate revoked so they were able to legally fire him.

                                                                                                                                                          In the case you point out, how many cops took part in helping defend this guy? Was it 10, 20, 50, 100? In Chicago which has around 15,000 cops. So less than 1% take part in helping to defend this guy and that makes all 15,000 of them bad? The reason most don't step forward publicly is because if they do some of their fellow officers might see them as unreliable and as someone you have to watch your back with when you are around them or working with them. Maybe some see their silence as an endorsement of the behavior, but that doesn't mean it is.

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                                                                                                                                                            • baddog
                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 107089
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                                                              In the case you point out, how many cops took part in helping defend this guy? Was it 10, 20, 50, 100? In Chicago which has around 15,000 cops. So less than 1% take part in helping to defend this guy and that makes all 15,000 of them bad?
                                                                                                                                                              Enough with the logic. Don't you know where you are?

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                                                                                                                                                                • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by jimmy-3-way
                                                                                                                                                                  For you douches who demand a link because you never fucking watch news other than TMZ:

                                                                                                                                                                  http://reason.com/blog/2009/05/01/ph...ids-update-rog

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                                                                                                                                                                    • kane
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Lester Burnham
                                                                                                                                                                      The quality of the police force would increase exponentially if:

                                                                                                                                                                      (1) they required a 4 year college education (not some bullshit 2 year "law enforcement" degree from some online university)
                                                                                                                                                                      This would do nothing to increase the quality of the police force. How many people have you worked with over the years that have had degrees and were clueless. I know a lot of cops both with and without degrees and there is no evidence that having this degree makes them a better cop. For that matter I would say of the cops I know some of those that I would say are the least capable are the ones with degrees. I'm not saying the degree caused it, but they are very book smart, not street smart. As a friend of mine put it, "Being a good cop all comes down to how well you deal with crazy bitches." Until they start teaching a Dealing with Crazy Bitches 101 in college, this is useless.

                                                                                                                                                                      (2) they required stringent height/weight requirements for the duration of their service;
                                                                                                                                                                      Some departments have this, other's don't, but I agree that it should be mandatory.

                                                                                                                                                                      (3) you can only serve in the city you live in (some jurisdictions may have this);
                                                                                                                                                                      Many cops do live in the city they serve in, but this isn't something that is realistic for some people. Sure, living in an area might help you get to know it a little better, but it could also open you and your family up to other issues. The last thing I would want is some crazy fuck that I have arrested 10 times being able to easily find out where I live, what my kids look like and where they hang out/go to school.

                                                                                                                                                                      and
                                                                                                                                                                      (4) they paid a lot better
                                                                                                                                                                      Agreed, typically the higher the pay scale the more applicants you get and more selective you can be.

                                                                                                                                                                      I used to call police force taxes "white welfare" contributions lol. Generally speaking, dudes that can't get jobs anywhere else become cops.

                                                                                                                                                                      And don't ever divorce a cop. Friend of mine is trying to divorce one, and he is fucking crazy. I referred her to a divorce lawyer, and the lawyer said, "cops are by far the worst to deal with in divorces."

                                                                                                                                                                      With all that said, there are a ton of good cops, though I'd say 95% of my interactions with the police have been negative (and I'm a law abiding citizen).
                                                                                                                                                                      You might be surprised at how hard it is to get a job as a cop in some areas. Big cities are a lot easier because they always need people, but in the town I live in they had one opening recently and they had 135 people apply for it and that was without making it widely known that it was open. That was just telling the union that they were interviewing. If they would have advertised it they would have gotten two or three times that many applicants.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • kane
                                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                          • 20684
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                          Enough with the logic. Don't you know where you are?
                                                                                                                                                                          LOL I sometimes forget.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • thickcash_amo
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              So then the show "Cops" would be no more, right?

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Caligari
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2009
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by mynameisjim
                                                                                                                                                                                  The idea that most cops are good and there are only few "bad apples" can easily be proven false. Look at when a cop breaks the law and it's clearly caught on camera, all the other cops come to his defense. If they were mostly good, wouldn't they want to purge the "bad apples" when they are caught?
                                                                                                                                                                                  That can be looked at a few ways. It's quite possible that there are many corrupt cops in Chicago as in other cities around the country.

                                                                                                                                                                                  However I guarantee you there are a million more scumbag murderers, rapists and utter dregs of humanity which they have to face for shit pay day in and day out.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I've had a fair amount of dealings with police from California, Washington, Louisiana and all over and 80% of the time they've been pretty decent.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Having been to Chicago a few times, as well as New York, Los Angeles etc, you could not pay me enough to be a cop in a big city.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Robbie
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Caligari
                                                                                                                                                                                      However I guarantee you there are a million more scumbag murderers, rapists and utter dregs of humanity which they have to face for shit pay day in and day out.
                                                                                                                                                                                      I would totally agree with you. Those detectives are for the most part "real" cops.
                                                                                                                                                                                      The ones who seem to have the inferiority complex and beat the shit out of everybody are the traffic cops and patrol cops in cars. Especially traffic cops...those guys aren't much more than money collectors for the city and the car insurance companies. I'd be ashamed to be one of them.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Now the small group of detectives who actually do real police work? I've never come into contact with them. It's always been uniformed patrol clowns... and like most folks...9 times out of ten it's been a bad experience which left me and my family scared to death.

                                                                                                                                                                                      When I see on the news that a city is going to fire 30% of it's police force I say "GOOD". As long as it's a bunch of fucking useless traffic cop nazi's.

                                                                                                                                                                                      The news always paints it like the town will suddenly be in danger...but that will only be if they fired all the real cops. If they fired every goddamn one of the piece of shit motorcycle cops here in Vegas who do nothing but sit in quiet neighborhoods like mine and spend the whole day ticketing soccer moms for the insurance company....this town wouldn't be one bit less secure from crime.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Last edited by Robbie; 01-25-2011, 03:44 PM.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Funny how some people think we should ban guns, why? so the police can protect us? LMAO
                                                                                                                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                          think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • {Psycho}
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Dead
                                                                                                                                                                                                  They left the door open
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 4751
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  You can have power over people as long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything, he's no longer in your power.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  This too will end, they only have this control for the one having something to lose. Grate thing about power is it always shifts. Ebb and flow...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
                                                                                                                                                                                                      typical. Here's another cop story I know first hand. A cop beats a black activist with a flashlight and knocks his eyeball out and then steps on it in-front of the angry crowd. The black activist sues the city and wins but the cops involved were exonerated. One of the same cops crashes a police car and the department fires him for negligence because he hit a citizen who also sued the city and won. Then the fired cop files a wrongful termination suit via the police union. The fired cop then "borrows" another cops badge and gets arrested for impersonating a police officer trying to get in a club. The department convince him to drop the wrongful termination suit or be charged with a felony due to carrying a gun and a badge. He agrees and then the department promptly fires the cop who's badge was loaned.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Three generations of cops in my family and seen this first hand. But the worst I've seen was a drunk cop at party pull his service revolver, empty the shells and hand it to another cops 4 year old kid and told to go give this to daddy. That's how drunk cops party and joke.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, well that convinced me. You heard a story so it must apply to all cops.

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