juicybbw (.com)
 

Taking offers on an 8 year old domain name (Created on: 12-Dec-03):

JuicyBBW.com

Really nice brandable name for a BBW site!

I like the word Juicy but it becomes really relevant with words such as pussy and I think the same applies with "juicy bbw".

If interested post offers in this thread or by email, [email protected]

Thanks for looking:thumbsup

nice name :thumbsup

Thank you Denny:thumbsup

Great name in a nice niche!

Thank you Kysersoze:thumbsup

I'll start it with $50.00

Thanks for the offer Frasier:thumbsup

If no higher offers are received by this time tomorrow (2pm est time) the domain is yours for $50:winkwink:

Under 7 hours until this domain is sold!

Current high offer is still $50:thumbsup

New high bid of $60 received via email:thumbsup

Auction end time 2pm est time so under 4 hours remaining.

Still very cheap for a nice aged and brandable bbw domain:2 cents:

New high offer of $70 received by email.

Only 45 minutes left of this auction.

Still very cheap:2 cents:

Last 10 mins:thumbsup

Going once, going twice....

grats on the sale. I would have paid more, but not against anon email bidders

Thats a shame Frasier, just for future reference I always offer winning buyers proof of bids received via email so that they can see no ghost bids have been going on:2 cents:

I prefer bids to be made in the thread as well, for one it saves me updating the thread and secondly everyone knows the current state of play!

Someone got an 8 year old domain for $70, that is less than reg fees would cost:2 cents:

This was truly a bargain at $70! Congrats to the buyer for sure.

I also hate email or ICQ bids, would rather everything done on the thread but unfortunately most people want to do it anonymously.

I still get shocked though when I get emails or posts in my threads saying "I would have paid more".

It's happened a few times, I try to give my auctions enough time that everyone gets to see them and when the auctions end people say you let that go to cheap I would have paid more:Oh crap

I bought 3 domains today which cost me over $1000. If there is a domain I want I bid the maximum I am willing to pay for that domain. If someone bids more than my maximum bid then fair play to them but no way would I let someone else get a domain I wanted if it was still within my target price:2 cents:

It's not my business how you run your auctions but i must agree with Frasier. And by the way, i think you can not compare this kind of forum auctions with others done through an auction system.

Just to put it to a real example, if Frasier would have said "$150", after the auction ends even if nobody else bid anything between $70 and $150 you would have charged him the whole $150. While the systems you are talking about if the bid start at $20 and you offer $150 they take your bid at $20 and if nobody offer anything else, they charge you just $20.

Here people bid what they will finally pay, and mail bids can discourage potential buyers.

Good luck :thumbsup and don't take it wrong, it's just my opinion and my two cents.

Thanks Fox for the input and I agree with Frasier and wasn't directing my comment at him it was a general point.

If I don't accept bids by email I am cutting off pretty much 50% of bids I receive because has someone else mentioned in this thread many prefer to make their bids in private.

What I meant was that quite a few people have contacted me after an auction has finished to say they would have paid more for a domain. Most of the time the people who contacted me have been previous bidders, they know the auction format and have the chance to bid before the auction end time.

If an auction end time is scheduled at 10pm for a domain I am interested in I make sure that for that period I am watching the progress to make any last minute adjustments I need to make. As long as the domain is still within my bidding limit in the closing stages I continue to bid.

As for Frasier's point, what I meant was if there is a domain I wanted for $100 I would bid up to $100 for that domain. If I got the domain for my target price I would be happy, I would not even think about who else might have been bidding on the domain as long as I got the domain at my target price.

I totally respect why Frasier did not make any more bids, I just commented that it was a shame because if he did really want the domain and would have paid more all it would have took was a quick email to me to clarify is concerns and I would have reassured him! He could have then bid in confidence and owned a domain that by the sounds of it he wanted to own:2 cents:

I appreciate your comment as well and agree with almost everyting you said. I would make my auctions thread only bids but as with your point about email bidders potentially putting off other bidders the same applies if email bidders were not allowed. The people who like to bid discreatly by email may then also be put off of making bids!

Thanks for contacting me about this and I assure no 'no hard feelings' on my part.

However, since there does seem to be some intelligent discussion here and no thread trolling (as of yet) - I'll add a couple thoughts

If you want bidders to have 'privacy' - put it for sale on an auction site.
If you are doing a 'forum' auction, all bids should be 'in the light of day'. While I'm not accusing the seller of shill bidding, this format is too susceptible to that practice.

While the difference between my opening bid and what the item sold for is really a negligible amount, it's principle that kept me from bidding again when I saw the first 'anon bid' last night

As for the op's comment that people should bid the 'highest amount they will pay' then it's not really an auction then, is it?

Most auction portals allow you to enter the highest amount you will spend and then auto increase your bid, up to that amount as needed. That is not available in a forum auction either and me offering 500.00 right off the bat for a domain that could have been bought for 70.00 would be a VERY poor move on my part.

In closing, no harm no foul - just not a way I'm going to do business

As someone who also sells domains, full sites, etc. I'd like to suggest that not all sales are posted to just one board, or one resource. And more often than not I end up dealing with with people in private as they simply do not want anyone to know their business. I can see their point. In fact I am the same way -- when I want something, I contact someone directly and negotiate beyond the public side of things.

My reg date might say 2005 ( In fact, I've been in this business since 1996), but I've been on ths board since it was first started. I just don't spend a lot of time posting.

Having said that, I do agree that For Sale threads that accept offers beyond the current medium, are indeed ripe for shill bids. It's unfortunate that some people choose to conduct their business with such deceptiveness, but it's a reality that it does indeed exist.

Frasier, I too appreciate intelligent interaction with other members. As a seller I see Naughtyname's point of view but also understand yours. I just lost a potential higher bid from someone on one of my domains because he had the same reason as you which again I totally respect. Unfortunately for the person selling he has to take what he can get. If he gets a serious anonymous bid, he cannot take the chance of not accepting it.

I am selling a domain now GayPornAction and for the first time posted a bit of a disclaimer asking people to try and keep the bids on the thread due to the situation presented on this thread and also to what happened to me just an hour later.

The tactic of using anonymous bids is definitely used on here. I can tell just by some of the ridiculous stuff some of the sellers use. I see a guy selling a domain for $2,000 and then he claims there is a $1,500 bid (on a domain that is worth only $1,500 to him). Then he reduces the price to $1,200 and claims the anonymous bidder backed out and magically he is willing to take $700 less from the original 2K.

That type of stuff is ridiculous but if you look you will notice that it is usually the same people playing the same games and for some reason it's always with these domains that they want thousands of dollars for. I sold just yesterday BabesPosing.com on here, the winning bidder and I did most of the negotiating via email instead of using the thread. Anyways I am rambling, but it is truly a tough position for an honest seller on these boards.

(I am new to GFY but have been doing this for a long time on other forums so my experiences are based as a whole not just GFY)

I will share my personal approach to this, since i also was in the business before my join date and also have been buying/selling not only domains for some years already.

I also prefer sometimes to negociate with the seller directly, but in this case, i don't go for a bid, i go for the BIN.

As a seller, i always have in mind the potential buyer and bidders, and i try to put myself in their shoes, and since i don't like to bid against mail bids i was always reticent to accept mail bids, in the few ones i did here i allowed the mail bids since i saw it looks like a common practice in this forum. But in the future i think i will write some text to specify how i will accept mail bids or contacts if they want to do it partially anonymous.

About multiboard auctions, etc, i dont like them and i don't do them, if i am not happy with the offers i have somewhere i stop it before starting the real auction and i try in another forum. I think in the case that you want to do a multiforum auction, you can better create the auction in some site and just post the direct link to it wherever you want.

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The only thing I want to add is that my point obviously didn't read the way I wanted it to:error

I am not saying people should bid the amount they are willing to pay (All in one go)

What I mean is if someone has a bidding target of an amount they are happy to pay for a domain, they should know the time constraints of the auction and make necesarry counter bids within their targeted budget to try and win the domain.

When people who have bid on one of my domains previously contacts me to say I sold a domain too cheap they would have bid more my response is usually, well you did have the chance:winkwink:

Thats how I bid on domains, I outbid other potential buyers up to the amount I am happy to pay. If one of my earlier bids is not countered then I get the domain cheaper.

I was not talking about proxy bidding, just counter bidding in general which in my view is the only way forum auction do work.

That's the seller point of view, you can say "you missed it" and the potential buyer can say "i have the money".

The problem with your theory is that it is the same used by the ones who do shill bids.

They think their domain worth something or they expect some certain money for it, and instead of starting bids near the price they want, they start low, and then if it doesnt have so many bids, they do the trick. They also can do it just because they are greedy and even if they were happy with $100 before the auction starts, if they see that it reaches $100 easily then they go for more and more.

And let me remark that i am not saying that you do this, just that it is the same theory they use "if you are willing to pay $100, then pay $100" it doesn't matter if at $20 he is the only bidder.

It can happen very easily with small or micro niches, maybe your domain is wonderful, but there are 3 peoples who promote this microniche following the thread, and 2 of them are busy with other projects so they wont buy it unless its so cheap, and a domain that in another moment could go for mid $xxx doesnt get any better offer than mid-high $xx and there it is were can appear the shill bids.

I have a domain i wanted to sell for mid $xxx and i think it worth it, but best offer so far is $100, and this bidder asked me to contact him if i would get better offers, what does it means? That he is willing to pay more, even i got some little interest around the $200 but they vanished, i told him, but didn't encourage him to bid any higher since they were not genuine bids, just inquiries from someone who i know is a buyer, but was just inquiring.

So, in the end, it's up of each seller how he/she run his/her own auction, and up of each bidder where they feel confortable to bid, and each one takes his own risks, to lose a sale for being greedy (or show your real face contacting the bidder to offer him the domain for a lower price than the shill bids) and the risk of the bidder is to miss a good domain.

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Agreed. I also find it particularly interesting that after a domain has been sold, I receive emails asking me to disclose the amount the new owner paid to acquire it. (Full sites, new sites, domains, etc). Personally I refuse to disclose any such information.

One of the things I find lacking in adult these days, among other things, is discreetness when conducting business. As mentioned earlier, not everyone appreciates having their strategies, or targeted acquisitions, identified and published publicly. Certainly an acquisition price is no one else's business beyond the two parties directly involved. For myself, the overwhelming amount of business I do, and I assume others, is outside any public medium and "behind closed doors".

Having said all of that, the points raised in this thread are somewhat educational in that it is probably a good idea to disclose, in the opening post, whether or not offers beyond the current medium will be accepted so as to allow the members of said current medium a choice of participating or not from the get-go. To that end, this has been a good read within this thread.

Not sure I get your point.

My point had nothing to do with shill bidding, was pointing more at the fact that all my auctions have a specific end time so everyone is aware of the time constraints within the auction. Once the auction is over it is very frustrating getting people who previously bidded on the domain saying they were willing to bid more, my answer would be you did have the chance.

I am not saying that someone should bid a certain amount, I am saying there is no point someone contacting me after the domain has sold becuase they had the same opportunity as everyone else to bid on the domain.

I don't see how this theory is similar to shill bidding, but mabey I am not reading my own thread correctly?

Naughty you are 100% correct.

The auction is over, the domain has been sold! A previous bidder contacting you tell you that he would have bid more if he would have been able to verify your other bids is POINTLESS!!!! The auction is over, not your fault he did not trust you or had doubts. I totally agree with you there. What are you supposed to do after he emails you? You can't do anything, it's over!!!

Maybe i misunderstood you, but let me try to explain myself briefly (tho english is just my 2nd language)

You said: "what I meant was if there is a domain I wanted for $100 I would bid up to $100 for that domain. If I got the domain for my target price I would be happy, I would not even think about who else might have been bidding on the domain as long as I got the domain at my target price."

And this is what i said is the same theory than the ones who do shill bids. They think "if the potential buyer is willing to pay $100, why doesnt he/she bid up to $100?" So, if there is no genuine bidders, they do shill bids to encourage this buyer to bid more and more till his 'target price'.

Again, i repeat, i am not saying you do shill bids, but you are supporting the idea that people should bid till their target price, and if they do this against mail/anonymus bids, they could be bidding against shill bids.

Put yourself in the buyer's place, and lets say you have interest in my domain, the one i want to get mid $xxx for, you are the highest bidder with $100 but you are willing to pay up to $250, so i would say i got anonymous bids for $125, so you say $150 then i say i got another bid of $180, so you say $200 and i say i got $220 offer, so you say $250 and you win. Ok, so in this case you got the domain for the price you were willing to pay, but tell me honestly... would you be happy paying $250 when the highest real offer was also yours and was $100?

I don't know your answer, but i can tell you that i wouldn't be happy paying $250 for something i should have won for $100.

I hope now it is more clear.

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Thanks for the clarification much appreciated.

You are taking what i said totally the wrong way.

What I am saying is if I want a domain I make sure I do everything within my set budget to win that domain. I don't go back to the seller after the auction has finished and then tell him "I would have paid more"

I don't always know who I am bidding against when I am placing bids but I don't care at that point, my aim is to try and get that domain for under my budget.

If I win the auction and I suspect there has been foul play I would ask for proof of previous bids (something I was willing to offer the winner of the domain in this thread).

I never said once in this thread people should bid a certain amount for any of my domains. All I said is that people should bid on my domain if they wish to own it, they should not contact me after the domain has sold because it is too late by this point.

The only reason talk of shill bidding even came into this thread is because someone who wanted to own the domain in retrospect said they would have paid more for the domain but not when bids have been made by email. It was not my choice that two potential buyers submitted their offers by email but it was my choice to offer proof:2 cents:

Again, I have no hard feeling on this and only hope this discussion helps someone in the future. Not winning this auction had no negative effect on me or my business plans. It was a $xx.xx transaction and thus really means NOTHING in the grand scheme of things. The difference between my 50.00 opening bid and the winning bid was less than a cheap bottle of Scotch or a nice cigar. That said, I'd like to put forth the following.

All this talk of 'offering proof' of an anon email bid just seems like lip service after the fact. None of these terms were spelled out in the auction listing. Only mentioned 'after the fact' when I indicated I didnt like competing with anon bids that I cant be sure are 'real'

And exactly HOW would you offer PROOF ?

Copies of emails? If they didnt show headers so someone could somehow attempt to verify them, what good would that be? If 'anon bidders' sole purpose was to 'remain private' I would expect that you disclosing the fact that they even BID on a auction would be breach of trust, or at the very least serve to make them never bid with you again. If you redact the header info to protect the sellers privacy, how does this validate the bid? It could have been the seller sending himself an email from his yahoo or hotmail account to his listed email.

Heck, even if you did offer un-edited 'proof' of that sort - it could be from an associate of the seller and still just a shill bid.

The ONLY way I've seen on here to sell domains that seems 100% ethical is for a seller to post a BIN and lower it as often as he/she wants until they get a buyer for that price.

Hi Frasier,

I get your points but the only problem I have is that shill bidding was mentioned in this thread when the auction was 100% genuine and when I have comments suggesting that shill bidding could have potentially went on all I can do is respond.

I am not talking about your comment when explaining why you didn't make any further bids, I am talking about the comment another forum made when it was mentioned that my theory/mentality is that of a shill bidder:Oh crap

Alright like you said $20 is nothing to you, beleive it or not the same applies to me. I have been a member on this forum for just over two months have sold in excess of $5000 worth of domains, I was more than happy to let the domain go to you for $50!

If I had any attention on shill bidding on this domain the price would have been at the $150 mark I am not going to try and bump the domain by $10 increments, for one I had you has a buyer for all I knew there was no other interest so by bumping the price could have resulted in an unsold domain! I have shitloads of domains, if I sold each one for $15 I would still be a very happy camper!

As far as proof goes the only thing I could have offered is full un-edited proof. For the reason you said obviously I am not going to post full details in public but I am more than willing to provide the details to the winner of the auction.

Obviously you were not the winner of the auction but if you want to see the email and subsequent icq messages from the buyer hit me up by email and I have no problem shooting this accross?

I asked after the domain was pushed for the buyer to post in this thread. His response was that he cannot post on gfy because his account has not been activated yet. He is from sweden, I am from the uk.

The buyer had a good deal imo whether it sold for $50 or $70 the price was still cheaper than it would have cost in reg fees.

The only free hint I can give is look at the whois.

It is your choice whether to bid on domains or not and if you suspect any foul play then you are 100% right to stay away from a bidding war. The only thing I can do in future is to try and encourage bidders to make bids in public. I am however in the business of selling domains, if someone emails me with an higher offer but as no intention of making their bid public I can't turn away their offer.

If you look at my past threads some of the bid increments made in public are in excess of $100 +! You cannot just turn down that kind of bid increment:2 cents:

If you look at one of my first auctions on this forum "hotgfs.com" after I started receiving email offers I quoted myself that I would provide full details of all bids made to the winning bidder.

I would have offered the same gaurantee in any of my auctions, I never anticipated a problem like this one would occur which is why I havn't posted similar lines in all of my auctions since.

If you would have said to me after I posted details of the first offer by email that you had concerns I would have been more than happy to provide you with as much evidence of the bid as I physically could to try and reinstall your confidence in making further bids.

If I created a seperate thread now asking for all the people to post in a thread who have made private bids to me over the last two months you would be supprised at the level of response I would get.

Some of the most active domain sellers on this forum have bought domains from me and not one of them made their bid within the thread!

I have made bids in private myself, if you intend on flipping the domain at a later date it is usually te best way to try and secure the domain in private:2 cents:

This image does not release sensitive data of the buyer but you can see their originally email and parts of the response I sent:

[IMG]http://ist1-2.filesor.com/pimpandhos...qBWL/email.jpg[/IMG]

Hopefully you will see by the time stamps of the email (15 hours ago, etc etc)
that it ties in with the exact auction end time/date.

This is the last time I am posting in this thread, I have waisted enough time already:1orglaugh

To clarify one of my earlier points:

Obviously I won't give out any personal information without any anom bidders consent. What I mean by proof is that I will provide as much info as possible with the agreement of the anom bidder.

I don't want anyone to not bid on my domains out of fear of having their personal information spammed:Oh crap

That being said I hope the above image shows at least I have attempted to provide some proof against the potential claims being made without disclosing any personal info of the new buyer.

A shill bidder imo would not even try and provide proof of any sort:2 cents: