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Another CCBill Default: CCBill Splits the Affiliate Fees, Post your Setting
My question is..is this gonna help you decide whether to join/push a certain program?
This is set as Default: http://ryulion.com/images/split.jpg (So basically if they changed it to split the affiliate gets less commission.) What is your setting? |
Interesting! As an affiliate all I monitor is which programs are making me the most money (per surfer I send) and then I promote those programs the most. So if a program decides to pay less money it will have an impact on the quantity of traffic I send
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Why as a program should we eat the fee's that are charged to us...
Processing fee's being added is very common in these parts... We just had to pay a plumber 3200 bucks and had to add 3% cause were paying by credit card... fact is a true 50% rev share shuold be 50% on everything including fees... if im at 10% fees from my billers were splitting that.. then sharing the rest... to bitch about something like that is just retarded so if someone is at 25 bucks the fee would be 2.50 your saying a 1.25 per sale would sway you one way or the other in promoting a sponsor? |
Here's one perspective:
The affiliate drives the traffic but the owner of the site is taking the risk, so he's going to split the fee with you. 7% x 100 adds up.. |
I have been promoting sites off and on for 7-8 years now and just recently realized what the split/don't split deal was all about. I never noticed the difference between a few bucks. Half of my top sites split and the other half of those sites don't, but they are good sponsors that generate good $$$ so I wasn't gonna stop promoting them over a small fee.
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When I started Godverdommecash I did what my favourite ccbill sponsors did.. we pay the fees
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I think it's fair to split with revshare.
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There is a reason affiliates are leaving the business and it isn't because they are not driving revenue. It's that they are not getting an ever increasing portion of the revenue they are actually sending programs due to a number of factors. It's turning into a very poor deal to be an affiliate with your average adult program. A large portion of affiliates are too stupid to realize the various scams pulled on them but one thing even the stupidest ones understand is that their checks are getting less and less as time goes on. The reality of the situation is that most programs could offer affiliates 100% rev share under the current terms and tracking and still come out way ahead. A 7% fee is nothing compared to what the affiliate is likely sending in 2011 and not getting a cut of. |
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The only right answer is -- Who gives you the biggest pay check for the amount of traffic you send. If I sent 100K to a sponser paying 100% and the same 100K to a sponser paying 20%. The first program only had one sale, the quit after the trail the second program had 10 sales, and every month half of the month before rebilled, I think I would take the second program. Some programs have ZERO upsells , Cross sales, and don't email the members, or even pop ups. Some programs rape the hell out of the surfer that just joined. If you want 50% of the upsell then, we should have ccbill add in a place to split hosting, design, model fees, and so on. Again you can argue this from many different angles, but it all comes down to ROI or amout made per click! Have a good day! |
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Let's not be naive here either. There's a reason over the years the program owners have prospered while their affiliates have been destroyed. It's because they are effectively now getting 85% of the revenue the affiliate generates as opposed to 50-60%. Between the cross sales, cam upsells in the member area, shabby tracking, mailings and these other things, that's what we have today with many programs. and I'll split your hosting and design fees, if you'll agree to split mine! :upsidedow :1orglaugh You have a good weekend also. |
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Programs have become greedy, then it also turned into survival, with all the tubes and big programs offering everything for $1.99. I have worked for program owners, and of course I am an affiliate, so I see both sides. Again, not all programs have upsells, cross sales, and so on. Just remember you wont change how a program operates, so promote the ones you think no matter what the marketing makes you the most money. There is no answer to this, since every program has many different ways they run things, bottom line is the amount of your checks for amount of clicks sent. Oh there is a lot more bills than the few I listed, I was just giving an example. I think Program owners should be thier own best affiliate so they can see. and if affiliates think it is so easy, why not start your own program. If you are not making what you should with a program, why keep sending traffic? |
Irrelevant to me. How do you know what processing rate each individual sponsor is getting charged?
Look at the bottom line at the end of the day. |
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Don't get me wrong I don't think your average program is very lucrative in 2011. Part of the reason is that affiliates are leaving left and right so the free or low cost traffic sources are disappearing. Now they actually have to be their own best affiliate or revenue will drop. |
Like somebody said earlier. I keep track of the end result in cash. If I send you 100,000 hits I am not concerned with how much you pay per join, I only care about the end result.
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50/50 means 50/50; which means splitting all the fees.
But almost no sponsors make affiliates pay charge back fees. The CCbill option is good for affiliates because the sponsor can turn off the split fees and thus increase the affiliate payout. If CCbill advertised they process 50/50 and didn't split the fees then that would be bad advertising to the sponsor; wouldn't it? I mean, the sponsor signed up and only got 40%? Would that be a problem that this was not explained to the sponsor? The affiliate on the other hand has no complaint since they are always getting better than 50/50 no matter what, especially since the affiliate doesn't pay charge back fees. If affiliates really want a true 50/50 then I expect a lot of angry affiliates after they join a sponsor and send 2 sign ups that charge back and they end up owning the sponsor $30 after they are invoiced for their half of the charge back fees. This shit has been figured out over years. Stop un-fucking-figuring it OK! :1orglaugh |
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Speaking of which how much more would the average rev share affiliate be getting if they got a 50% cut of the sponsor's share of the profit from these cross sales? 10 - 15% more per month? That just goes to show you that it is as I said. Affiliates are sending revenue. They just aren't getting their cut. An extra 10% would help many an affiliate these days and on rev share it really is their money because they sent the customer. That's how rev share used to be. These days what is called rev share often is nothing close. |
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The affiliate should stop wasting his time being concerned about whether or not they are sharing processing fees, or getting a % of cross sells, and about what is "fair" etc... It's much better to just track your outgoing, and stick with the sponsors that you earn the most with. Always be testing. |
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So you went in a circle on that argument. But affiliates only sign up to get half the sales they send to the site. 50/50 for the initial sale does not imply 50/50 for upsales/cross sales/etc... If you have "mad" traffic then you can approach a sponsor with these options. I mean, basically people have to read the sponsor's offer. Some sponsors only pay $25 per sign up and no rebills. That is worse that 50/50 revshare with split fees in my experience. It's the sponsor's product, they have the right to set their own policies. It's our right to choose a different sponsor if we don't like the terms of another sponsor. Finally, if I found a sponsor that converted 3 times better than what I have now, I wouldn't give a shit what fee structure they had because I'd be making way more money than now. |
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True it'll show in the numbers eventually but why waste all that traffic to find this out? And most affiliates don't bother paying attention that's why they do it and get away with it. Quote:
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If CCBill would tell us how many new accounts open up everyday, and don't know what they're doing..:2 cents: |
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defaults. The default is 50/50! But anyhooo! Who cannot figure out what's going on after a couple of sign ups? And of course, this can't be figured out by people who get no sign ups. And therefore the only sponsors to complain about will be those that are actually converting. :1orglaugh I've got a few sponsors that could pay 50,000% revhare and I'd still not make the $50 minimum payout in 2 years. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh |
Good for you blackmonster.
I'm heading out for some fun.. :) |
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no my friend thats called taking advantage of the surfer... in all honesty fuck the affiliate, fuck the program owner.. we need to make the surfer happy and thats where 98% of affilates lack.. they worried about 1.25 more rather than if the fucking surfer will ever join another site again .... piss on you paysite owners who make shitty sites with shitty bought or stolen content... I join sites on a daily basis to see what people offer inside... it's fucking garbage... non exclusive dvd rip.... who the fuck does that... anyone can go buy a dvd and make a website from the content... if your not going to shoot the content then don't have paysites be an affilaite and leave the paysites to the pro's |
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now how do we convince the affiliates cause they have the traffic LOL |
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