FORBES says Obamacare is working, saving money, and is not socialism
 

I personally despise obama's health care bill - because it's a bailout to the health care industry, and corporate welfare.

but, there is no chance it will be repealed by the republicans, because the corporations want it and like it, especially the mandate forcing people to buy insurance.

so expect more like this - Forbes magazine, one of the big mouthpieces of our corporate masters, saying, "whattya know, Obamacare is cool, and not socialism."

fucking bummer - one of the few things the republicans could do that was worthwhile was repeal this forced transfer of people's money to the corporations, so we had a chance at a better bill.

I like this line - gee whiz - "to the great surprise of many" - lol, yeah right, this is EXACTLY the bill that the corporations wanted, and it is no surprise at all.

come on you lame ass fucking republicans, repeal this bill, so we can get a health care system with outcomes as good as those in other countries.

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/20...-to-obamacare/

Please the republicans answer to healthcare is pay for it yourself or die. The GOP controlled both house of congress and the white hosue for 6 years. what health care solutions did they come up with?

Also if forcing people to buy health insurance is wrong then how come I'm forced to buy auto and home insurance? You can't have it both ways.

The Republicans do not need to repeal it. They just have to keep introducing bills to repeal it then when they all fail they can blame the democrats and win the next election too. The rhetoric will be something likes this, "We tried and tried but the Democrats voted against it each and every time. They're spending more and more of your money. Bankrupting the USA. Vote them out! Vote for Republican <insert name> on Nov. 6th!"

Then they'll repeal it and replace it with NOTHING. Honestly do peole want to repeal sick kid being alowed ot stay on insurance? Do peole really want to repeal parents being able to keep kids on their policies until age 26? These things are in effect NOW. Repeal this and the first sick kid that dies beause his insurance got taken away is going to be the death knell for any republcian running for office.

more lies from the NWO. :2 cents:

It's sad how little GatorB knows about the world.

says the 25 year old. what's your solution to the health problem little johnny? If you don;t kow then kindly STFU. Oh and quit stalking me, homo.

the argument is, one is not required to buy a car or a house in order to exist. you and I may agree that this is ultimately a specious argument, at least as far as auto insurance goes, because to go without a car is impractical in 90% of this country.

however, that is the argument.

without a public option to force competition on a covertly monopolistic system, forcing people to buy insurance is basically a "private taxation" that directly benefits a health care corporate system, without doing anything to control costs.

According to your uneducated ass, I've been 25 for 3 years:)

I think you have it exactly right.

the republican's claim that they will work to repeal it is a fraud, the corporations that control the republicans (and the corporations that control the democrats) won't allow them to repeal it.

but they will allow them to use it as political propaganda for the next election, as you say.

yes.

but utterly predictable. expect more articles like this from the corporate rulers, and expect a feeble attempt to repeal from the republicans, while they take ever more campaign donations from the health care corporations.

and all the other corporations - with interlocking directorates and boards, the corporations are artificial superpersons serving the plutocratic class, and protecting the plutocrats from the people.

thats right.

then the population will get sicker and health care costs will skyrocker and large numbers of workers will be kicked off the current systems of health care, all at the same time that the boomer bulge suddenly floods the system with care needs.

then, next time, as things get worse, if we start to sufficiently scare the politicians, and replace enough incumbents, and purge the bureacracies, we may get a decent single payer system like the civilized countries.

paid for by stopping being the worlds corporate policemen and mercenaries. we will take the costs of decent health care out of the bloated defense budget, close down the imperial bases, and start rebuilding an economy based on our own real wealth.

forbes is just some liberal publication lol

obamacare is just as republican as anything the republicans could have dreamed of.

as evidence, I present medicare plan b. which is arguably worse than obamacare, in terms of costs, and corporate welfare.

the thing is, I am telling you, obamacare WILL NOT BE REPEALED.

the corporations wanted it EXACTLY the way it is, and they are in charge.

the republicans won't even be successful in attacking it's funding, in doing their standard trick of unfunded or underfunded mandates. they will pretend to, for their base, but wonder of wonders, at the last minute they will always be "bipartisan".

while fox news wails and gets the base all riled up about those nasty democrats and their "socialism".

just like the wars, obamacare is corporate welfare. the republicans wont dare touch corporate money, or they won't get their campaigns funded.

a mouthpiece of the liberal elites serving the corporations, yes.

whatever you read in forbes comes straight from the mouths of the corporate spinmasters.

Well, they might repeal some of the costs to industry in the bill. It will be interesting to see how the justify leaving the mandate in afterwards though.

you are no better, and no wiser.

both of you just repeat the standard rhetoric of your respective clans.

the thing is, his health care system will not be repealed, and your hopes that your side will repeal it are an illusion based on a complete misunderstanding of root causes, and will be dashed.

nor will your side come up with a better solution to health care than the corporations have, for the next few decades before the US collapses.

and as the economy contracts and stratifies, both your sides will wail, and accomplish nothing.

because the health and purchasing power of the american workers is no longer important to the corporations - they have a whole planet to exploit, billions of workers and billions of consumers, and america is too old and weak to do anything about it.

This is amusing coming from the extremely typical internet "I want people to think I'm different and a free thinker so I'm going to vomit the same rhetoric about government sucking, corporations sucking, and both parties sucking" fool. Now please, continue with your scripted nonsense.

You're an idiot for the simple fact that you made up what my alleged "opinions" on the matter were, and then chose to argue against them. That's what we intelligent folk like to call a strawman. Any more humorous posts? I enjoy reading opinions I allegedly(but didn't) made.

Yawn, corporations are bad, government is bad, the rich are getting richer the poor are getting poorer. Nothing I haven't heard from the "free thinking" internet crowd.

thank you for illustrating my point so succinctly.

the standard rhetoric from your clan, as I said.

yes, i also represent my clan, and yes, you correctly enough identify it as "internet free thinker", altho I haven't much heard or used that label.

I look forward to seeing your own original writing and thinking on these topics. maybe later, when you are less trapped in clan warfare.

I rest my case, that was easy. Continue embarrassing yourself in hopes of making people believe you're unique or a "Free thinker". Too bad you're too dumb to understand what that really means. Anyways, carry on the denial.:1orglaugh

Children, I do not trust Forbes. However, I do trust 12clicks and what he will have to say tomorrow.

Auto, home and health insurance are not even similar animals.

The auto and home insurance is not about you per se, but more about protecting other people as a result of something that may have to do with you or your property.

You wreck your car in to mine, I am affected.
Your house falls down and breaks my leg, I am affected.
You having hyper tension, brain tumor, heart disease, etc., I am not affected.

With all but health, you also have the choice to have the bare minimum which covers others and not your property.

Comparing the three as such isn't a decent arguement.

This is what they did:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php..._Scandal,_2003