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Wizzo 12-21-2010 10:47 AM

Looks like Net Neutrality is going to pass, could have been a major game changer for many!
 
WASHINGTON ? New rules aimed at prohibiting broadband providers from becoming gatekeepers of Internet traffic now have just enough votes to pass the Federal Communications Commission on Tuesday.

The rules would prohibit phone and cable companies from abusing their control over broadband connections to discriminate against rival content or services, such as Internet phone calls or online video, or play favorites with Web traffic.

FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski now has the three votes needed for approval, despite firm opposition from the two Republicans on the five-member commission. Genachowski's two fellow Democrats said Monday they will vote for the rules, even though they consider them too weak.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101221/...net_neutrality

MetaMan 12-21-2010 10:53 AM

We are all fucked that is for sure.

Agent 488 12-21-2010 10:55 AM

it's toothless so who cares? look forward to an internet down to the top 100 current sites and everyone here going back to what they did 10-15 years ago.

pristine 12-21-2010 10:58 AM

just went out of business forever. merry christmas.

DaddyHalbucks 12-21-2010 11:01 AM

Woohoo! More regulation! Let's fix what ain't broken.

War on the Mexican border? What war?!

Wizzo 12-21-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 17790315)
Woohoo! More regulation! Let's fix what ain't broken.

From the way I read it they are making sure the big broadband companies don't break it and keep it the way it is... :upsidedow

signupdamnit 12-21-2010 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 17790343)
From the way I read it they are making sure the big broadband companies don't break it and keep it the way it is... :upsidedow

Many people say it doesn't go far enough. I guess I'll have to read the whole thing and come to an educated opinion of it for myself since there's so much spin.

MetaMan 12-21-2010 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 17790343)
From the way I read it they are making sure the big broadband companies don't break it and keep it the way it is... :upsidedow

"Genakowski" do the math.

The government is giving itself an excuse to monitor ALL content delivery.

America + Canada + Britain = Socialist > Communist

CIVMatt 12-21-2010 11:20 AM

I'm confused that sounds like a good thing you posted

MetaMan 12-21-2010 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIVMatt (Post 17790381)
I'm confused that sounds like a good thing you posted

America is supposed to be a free market and you see no problem with government regulating it? :1orglaugh

we are doomed honestly. nothing like some fancy wording to "sound like a good thing".

shouldn't the consumers get to decide who they use and not have government come in and regulate it?

are you a socialist?

Vendzilla 12-21-2010 11:24 AM

Yeah government regulation works so well in the past

CIVMatt 12-21-2010 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17790386)
America is supposed to be a free market and you see no problem with government regulating it? :1orglaugh

we are doomed honestly. nothing like some fancy wording to "sound like a good thing".

shouldn't the consumers get to decide who they use and not have government come in and regulate it?

are you a socialist?

The goal of the regulations is to prevent powerful phone and cable companies from rigging the online marketplace by giving priority to their own offerings or those of deep-pocketed business partners, such as TV shows or movies streaming through the Internet, or by slowing down those of competitors.

It sounds like what you're fighting against?

I don't fully understand it, but that reads like they are protecting customers

vanillaice 12-21-2010 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17790386)
America is supposed to be a free market and you see no problem with government regulating it? :1orglaugh

we are doomed honestly. nothing like some fancy wording to "sound like a good thing".

shouldn't the consumers get to decide who they use and not have government come in and regulate it?

are you a socialist?

I'm also confused. It sounds like this is to help companies like comcast not screw over smaller blogs/sites who can't afford to pay premium fees to be on the web.

I don't know much about the bill, however.

babymaker 12-21-2010 11:30 AM

Just passed by 3 votes :( So guess this is goodbye too everyone :(

Farang 12-21-2010 11:37 AM

So... is the sky falling or not?

Wizzo 12-21-2010 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babymaker (Post 17790414)
Just passed by 3 votes :( So guess this is goodbye too everyone :(

How do you figure?

pornguy 12-21-2010 11:38 AM

Dont worry about whats on the cover page of it.. worry about whats burried on page 1264

dyna mo 12-21-2010 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17790395)
Yeah government regulation works so well in the past

like with roosevelt's trust busting?

Agent 488 12-21-2010 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 17790434)
Dont worry about whats on the cover page of it.. worry about whats burried on page 1264

that's it.

net neutrality is needed for anyone who currently makes money on the net. without it you're most likely fucked, unless you can get a gig with verizon, comcast or the top 100 sites on the net.

although it passed, this bill is a joke and sellout to corporate power.

back to managing the shoe store.

CamsMaster 12-21-2010 11:41 AM

so that's it with the freedom of internet ?

u-Bob 12-21-2010 11:42 AM

More government interference :(

MetaMan 12-21-2010 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIVMatt (Post 17790402)
The goal of the regulations is to prevent powerful phone and cable companies from rigging the online marketplace by giving priority to their own offerings or those of deep-pocketed business partners, such as TV shows or movies streaming through the Internet, or by slowing down those of competitors.

It sounds like what you're fighting against?

I don't fully understand it, but that reads like they are protecting customers

The market should regulate it. NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

I cant believe you dont see the problem with this?

If major companies start to regulate content people will choose another provider. When the government forces all providers to regulate content in a certain way who do you choose?

why is the government regulating something that is not broken? that does not scare you?

the government is coming into a business model that is not broken and telling it how to operate. that scares the shit out of me.

GregE 12-21-2010 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CIVMatt (Post 17790381)
I'm confused that sounds like a good thing you posted

That's the way I'm reading it too. Maybe not quite good enough but waaaay better than the alternative.

scuba steve 12-21-2010 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17790478)
The market should regulate it. NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

I cant believe you dont see the problem with this?

If major companies start to regulate content people will choose another provider. When the government forces all providers to regulate content in a certain way who do you choose?

why is the government regulating something that is not broken? that does not scare you?

the government is coming into a business model that is not broken and telling it how to operate. that scares the shit out of me.

ahhh yes the lovely opinion of a guy not living here and living in the middle of nowhere.

u-Bob 12-21-2010 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 17790533)
ahhh yes the lovely opinion of a guy not living here and living in the middle of nowhere.

copy/paste:
Fallacy: Ad Hominem

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

scuba steve 12-21-2010 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 17790588)
copy/paste:
Fallacy: Ad Hominem

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

guilty as charged


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