Was Jesus an athiest?
 

It would be pretty vain if he worshiped himself. When he prayed, did he say, "In my name I pray, Amen."? If Christians praise Jesus, what was the religion Jesus was preaching? Jesusanity?

Try opening The Book; it is pretty clear

Cliff notes?..

Clear is about the last thing the bible is.

Clearly bullshit.

God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)

Oh and there is the part about Jacob wrestling with god and beating him??? Wtf. So god broke his hip and named him Israel. What a pussy. I would have triangle choked that bitch out.

Shit makes perfect sense.

Gen 32

22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[a] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”

But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.

30 So Jacob called the place Peniel,[b] saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel,[c] and he was limping because of his hip. 32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.

Let's go to the good book and see if incest is wrong?


Genesis 17:15-16: God also said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her."
Abraham marries his half-sister. God blesses the union in Genesis 22:17.

Leviticus 20:17: If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off before the eyes of their people. He has dishonored his sister and will be held responsible.
Incest is a disgrace.

Deuteronomy 27:23: Cursed is the man who sleeps with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother. Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
The perpetrator is "cursed."

And I'm sure you heard the story of Lot.

The one righteous man in Sodom saved by god gets drunk and impregnates both his daughters to create new tribes.


The bible is a horrible scientific, historical or moral reference to go by and contradicts itself from one verse to the next. Not surprising though as it seems like a game of goat herder telephone from drunken desert wanderers a couple thousand years ago.

If they make decent Christians it's in spite of it.

Pathetic that people still use religion in any form in this day in age.

Can we do the Qur'an next paully?

I've never read it through but the parts I do know about have the same overtones. Both are Abrahamic religions with similar roots in bullshit.

You get a double dose of female hate with the Qur'an though. Kind of a 2 for 1 deal for goat herding camel fuckers from a few thousand years ago.

That's really where you get your most bang for your buck when it comes to controlling women and society in general.

How about Mormons? The Book of Mormon should be rife for pickings!

No, he was a Jewish. The Bible says that. Furthermore he was a son and a human incarnation of Jewish god Yahweh. So he definitely can not be an atheist :2 cents:

Don't get sidetracked by new testament vs old. Mormons. Lets hear it!

Yes you are right, so what now? :)

That one is special to my heart. According to the book of Mormon we all came to Earth as Orbs from the planet Kolob. That's good shit. Scientology good.

I like the part about Joseph Smith a conman/schizo/criminal reading a hat full of stones and finding a sign from god that Jesus actually traveled to North America by way of S. America( They say ancient America, but also believe Salt Lake City is a place Jesus visited). A little mini vacay I guess. Maybe he stopped off at Cabo Wabo and hung out with Sammy Hagar and had a few. That fat fuck seems old enough.

You wanna know what's cool about that religion? It's about women helping other women. You know, sister wives. When they get too old and tired then you start marrying the kids.

It's all about helping the women with their chores and taking care of their man's needs.

Hard to find fault in it. smh:helpme

I dig it paully. Love it. Now keep it going with darwins
the default of man!

i cunt a4d a jebus... :(

How about praising the God, if you gotta praise? Jesus was not god, semi god max, as he was just a human whose father was god (based on Bible). No god like skills as far as I know. No throwing lightnings, etc.

Zeitgeist: The Movie = mind BLOWN. :)

Yeah, don't keep guns near when watching that movie.

Thought I should quote you on that :pimp

Hate to break it to you, but that is all OT which by definition would be before there were Christians.

So was he?

Didn't Jesus say that the OT was still valid? That'd basically be an endorsement of all of those crazy ideas.

God and Jesus (messiah) are from the Old Testament, so they are kind a characters from that story, like Donald Duck stars Donald Duck.

If Old Testament wouldn't be valid, why Bible would have it? At least we have it in the Bible.

To answer the op's question, again the bible is about as clear as mud on this one. At one point Jesus says I am god and another he says god is greater than I am.

Sounds like any one of thousands of narcissistic mental rejects that pop up claiming to be god personified.

Who ever came up with that religion shite should be nailed to a fucking cross. Oh wait...

Well, I think any reasonable person recognizes that the Bible is fiction and Jesus was not God. But sometimes, people try to say the OT isn't valid because Jesus came to replace it. However:

"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." -Matthew 5:18-19

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." -Luke 16:17

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." -Matthew 5:17

"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness" -2 Timothy 3:16

With this in mind, endorsing the fucked up bullshit in the Old Testament is reason enough to say that Jesus was clearly not a supreme being, but rather an ordinary mortal. I doubt that he ever said he was God, or even alluded to it. The scriptures were written well after his death, by no one who even knew him personally.

As a matter of fact none of the disciples even wrote their own books. The first one was Matthew written at least 40 years after jesus supposedly walked the earth.

No one apparently gave a shit until then and apparently no one knows who the authors of those books were.

I guess it wasnt very important. Kind of like who writes Dear Abby columns now that she's dead.

Fuck! Should of read your post a little closer. Yeah^^^ what he said.

It is apparent that you are ignorant about the subject.

No, I don't think I am. Christianity is not about believing into Jesus, it's about believing in God. Yes, I know that there are all kinds of saints and holy men and whatever, but Christianity is still considered as monotheism.

Jesus was merely a vessel of God's will.

No lightning skills. He was more of a party god. Turning water into wine. Feeding thousands with one piece of bread and one fish. He walked on water and was also a bit of a rebel rocking the long hair. The bible states men are not be hair farmers and keep their hair short but apparently the rock and roll was too strong.

So, it's like Woodstock, but with plenty of wine and food.

The father, son and holy spirit are all one. But they're not either. Lolz

I am satisfied that you don't think you are ignorant about the subject...but as I stated...you are ignorant about the subject...as verified by this very post of yours. You do not even know what makes Christianity...Christianity.

Throw in that big fat tub of shit Jerry Garcia and you couldn't tell them apart.

Wait, what? Modern Christianity is Paganism wrapped in a virgin-birthed resurrected redeemer trope. The theme had been tried SO many times before it was fibally successfully applied to Jesus. In order to gain broader acceptance, Paganistic holiday rituals and polytheistic God worship (father, son, holy ghost, saints, angels, and the Virgin Mary for Catholics).

Jesus of Nazareth is the latest in a LONG line of guys with the same story. He was just the most successfully used charasmatic figure. His own ideals probably varied a great deal from what people attributed to him after his death (in the long time following his death before anyone decided to actually write anything down).

... and make no mistake, "used" is the correct term.

Sorry that last post is barely coherent. Typing on my phone.

Even the OT story of Joseph was a prototype. Just didnt have the same wow factor.

Both had healing powers and people were to worship them. Joseph had 10 followers. Jesus 12. Joseph betrayed by Juda. Jesus betrayed by Judas. Joseph sold to the bad guys for 20 pieces of silver. Jesus 30 pieces of silver. Etc....

They even have the same pictures. Like holy supertwins.

I tell you what makes Christianity as Christianity: believing that Jesus was awaited the messiah. He was/ is a messiah, not some replacement for God.

So, to the original question, if Jesus wanted to pray, he prayed for God.

You should just stop posting about this subject as every post you make just further demonstrates your ignorance about the subject.

I don't really know is this really reply to my message or some plain story about Christianity, but I would like to point out that Jesus wasn't hit amongst all folks (like Jews), and Jesus didn't invent the religion we are talking about, he just made some contribution.

Here's their Sears family photo. Everybody there but Mary's BHC. Maybe Joseph was the original cuck but that kid looks just like him.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9puy3IdRFi.../family+15.jpg

I just created a new niche. Big Holy Cock.

Maybe you should stop posting about me being ignorant? Or at least to tell how and why I am ignorant. Some details pleace, as this is conversation, or am I ignorant regarding that too?

Although I don't know to what fucked up religion you belong to, but I am Lutheran. And at least we don't keep Jesus as a God.

I do not feel the need...nor do I have the inclination...to educate some third world person about their ignorance concerning the Christian religion. You are ignorant about the subject and every post you make just demonstrates your ignorance...but feel free to carry on if you do not mind demonstrating your ignorance for all to see.

BTW...I am not a religious person...thus I am not a member of any organized religion.

Your society/ community is still characterized with some religion. I referred to cultural background.

Yeah, continue to be ignorant, by all means, just leave me alone. You can of course continue posting about me being ignorant, since that's out of my control.

When you posted you did not refer to "cultural background" at all...and I find it difficult to read minds. To the best of my knowledge my society has members to every known religion in the world and some that are not very well known...if known at all. In my community there are members to a dozen or so known religions.

We were talking about religion and I said me being Lutheran, to refer about my views towards Christianity. I bet you didn't come across Christianity just by accidentally Googling it. Probably they teached about it in school etc., and not mainly about Islam, Buddhism, or whatever. At least your location is "Good old USA" (last time I checked it was probably the most religious western country).

You are right...I did not just come across Christianity by "accidentally Googling it". I learned about Christianity many years before there was a Google. I have made it a point to study every known...major...Religion in the world. I studied some of them in greater depth than others.

Read the Q'ran if you get the chance - the parts about Jesus (Isa Ibn Maryam in the arabic version of "yeshua") are amazing in the hoops they have to jump through to get him in there as a servant of Allah:

"Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear Allah, if ye have faith."
They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle."
Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us?for the first and the last of us?a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."

So he apparently knew he was a servant of Allah at the famous "last supper" even though he died a Jew and was called king of the Jews by the Romans - even though Allah didn't exactly exist yet or hadn't been documented as such. This Yeshua Ben Yosef
fellow managed to be three religions, two of which hadn't been founded yet.