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NATS 4 vs NATS 3, who's downgraded?
If you've gone to NATS4 and regretted it, or you've already gone back to 3 please let me know. We're just about to make the jump to NATS and I'm requesting to start in 3 but they don't seem to want me to? I don't want to have to downgrade and change links... again...
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well, there is a very big program who just did that after 3 or 4 days. back to V3 that is
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What are your reasons for wanting to go back down to V3?
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twistyscash.com downgraded last week i got an email from V4 to V3
I think Dukedollars did as well .... |
I like 3 way better 4 stats are wack :(
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we're on v3 and i refuse to upgrade to v4
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As an affiliate v4 has more tools that are useful to me.
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as an affiliate, I tend to have problems with NAT v4 on Firefox and Opera..
IE is great though... |
v4 is more time consuming for an affiliate to use. the only thing i like is the stats info.
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:) Duke |
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BTW this thread absolutely is not bashing TMM in any way. I'm just looking for people with experience with 4 to sound off so I know what I'm talking about tomorrow in my meeting with John.
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The default FHG system is just disgraceful in how many clicks it takes just to get a set of links, as compared to v3. When it comes down to it as an affiliate, I only use v4 sponsors as an absolute last resort when I can't find a sponsor who offers more easily accessible FHG's with comparable content. The exception to this (in my experience) is Medium Pimpin, who have a superior custom FHG system to circumvent the inferior default FHG system inherent in v4. Incidentally, while the stats are a nice touch, most all nats4 sponsors I have tried are dreadfully slow compared to their v3 counterparts. |
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(also, you shouldn't see any performance issues on v4, if you are, please let me know where you are seeing them) |
I still think Nats really hasnt done enough its better than all the alternatives but just lacks a lot of things that would really make it killer. Just my :2cents
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Yeah definitely sticking to 3 ... don't wan't 4 yet especially with all the terrible feedback we have had about it. Using 3 on 2 programs.
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NScash's own FHG system, while not on NATS4, is comparable if you're looking for examples of an efficient FHG system. Quote:
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for those on v3, is there anyway to get the pricing options to be buttons instead of a dropdown like it currently is? That's probably my only gripe. =\
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Regarding the speed issues, you're certainly not throwing anyone under the bus, if they have an issue we'd like to address it. You're helping them. If you'd like you can contact me privately of course also. |
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IMO v4 is vastly superior to v3 in terms of functionality, reporting, and ease of use. I have noticed a few minor bugs relating to selecting large time frames and displaying the charts but that's nothing too major... |
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Yeah I'm not seeing a major speed decrease on any sites which implement v4... more than likely there could be more complex calculations and queries in the new system as compared to v3, but that's a necessity when offering more functionality. If a site is running slow, it's not the software, it's the hardware. Most likely (since there isn't too much to change in PHP unless they need to add more webheads) it lies within the DB. I would recommend people get some beefier boxes for their DBs and certainly be running a Master / Slave / Slave if they're a large sponsor. There are so many settings in let's say MySQL that you should have a real DBA take a look at your system if it's running slow...
Are people that are experiencing this checking for slow queries and running explain to see where the bottleneck is? What does your HD I/O peak at on your DB boxes and how often? How much memory are you allocating to MySQL? Have you taken a look at the amount allotted to your thread cache, bdb cache, table cache? What about your key and join buffer sizes? Many people don't even know these exist. Additionally, what engine are you running on what tables? There's so much performance you can squeeze out of MySQL if you really know what you're doing... |
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Soooooo I dunno about that one. I'm hoping NATS doesn't suffer the same inefficiencies. |
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And each and every time you select a new limitation to display, you have to sit and wait for the galleries to show, which on some implementations, is just ridiculously slow compared to any v3 I have used. Alternatively, a dump on v3 is no less than half those steps for v4, and without the slow responding gallery display queries:
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NATS4 is just a pain in the ass for doing the most simple tasks, as Rob has put it. I seriously suggest you guys hire a human interface expert first before doing anything with it. The number of clicks etc needed to get links, hosted gals etc is just a major pain in the ass.
Even something as simple as getting the refer stats of my sales on a single page appears impossible and i need to check each individual sale (unless im mistaken) n |
Ah then judging from everyone's replies it does seem to be a matter of speed.
@jact Sounds like it is on the DB side then. I would love for someone that's having speed issues to contact me and let me take a look. I would, of course, sign an NDA and I can supply a whole list of references if you'd like as I know the data is sensitive. I also invite TMM to contact me if they have a system already setup with a large amount of data and can simulate high usage. I'd love to help out. Are you guys looking to hire a CTO or Senior PHP developer? :) @robwod It sounds like v4 could use a bit of display:none/block action to hide/unhide content areas rather than refreshing the entire page. Perhaps some repopulating of select boxes and things based on other selections to avoid page refreshes as well. I'm sure some AJAX would also go a long way to minimizing requests rather than running a whole page worth of queries over again... and like you said. Remembering previous preferences would also be nice for that area. |
I'm sure the guys at TMM are waiting for affiliate feedback to improve their script. Its always a good habit to have a good friendly communication system with the software that's displaying how many $/RIO you could be making.
Not only you will be more happy but your wallet will be too..:2 cents: |
As an affiliate, I like NATS version 3 way more than version 4.
The interface with NATS version 3 is simple to use and straight to the point. The interface with NATS version 4 is cluttered and non-intuitive. |
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Duke |
Whenever possible, I choose V3 over V4. Not only due to the fact that I have several things tied to V3 that just work, I don't need to move to incompatible backwards link codes - and I absolutely detest the goddamn skins.
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Another thing to point out.
TMM has always listened to affiliates and adapted, changed, improved every time they were ever faced with an obstacle. Trust me, the first version of nats wasnt easy either and they fixed that. The same will happen with v4. If there was a way to import all your v3 settings into v4, kinda like disk imaging on a mac, we all would be on v4. I wish it were that simple :) Duke |
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greater than less than - for fucks sake the affiliate area is written in mumbo jumbo 'limitations' etc... Why everything was screwed up like that I have no idea, stats look great but I defy anyone to get a gallery dump. :mad: Why break what wasn't broken? Also what is the point of completely changing they way an affiliate interacts with the interface? I don't want to have to relearn how to use an admin panel every time it (up)grades :mad: |
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for me runnnig a big mgp network, nats4 is a pain in the ass.
Its allready been pointed out but in v3 i can make gallery dumps at the speed of light whilst in v4 it takes just so much effort to output listings for the sites i want to have, in v3 it was easy working. i really loved the stats v3 was putting out. easy to read. v4 to me seems to be a bit too much loaded with stuff the average affiliate really doesnt wanna see. The design is slick, but i guess we got all got used to v3 and loved it the way it was. |
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Any webmaster that was used as a beta tester and thought that was great needs their balls removed with a spoon :2 cents: Hopefully they get it sorted out ASAP. |
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