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StuartD 05-26-2008 04:39 AM

Why do most people, Americans in particular...
 
still blindly trust everything their governments tell them?

Why is it so hard for people to question them? To believe that there could possibly be something dishonest at work? I mean, they're politicians.

Is it just to much of a shot to their pride to possibly accept the fact that they were lied to? That they could possibly have been fooled?

Mutt 05-26-2008 04:43 AM

whaaaaaaaa? where are all these Americans who trust what their government tells them?

90% of the posts on GFY by Americans are people who don't trust their government.

theking 05-26-2008 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14236859)
still blindly trust everything their governments tell them?

Why is it so hard for people to question them? To believe that there could possibly be something dishonest at work? I mean, they're politicians.

Is it just to much of a shot to their pride to possibly accept the fact that they were lied to? That they could possibly have been fooled?

It is my experience that most Americans certainly do not believe "everything" the government tells them. I do not know anyone that meets that criteria.

StuartD 05-26-2008 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 14236864)
whaaaaaaaa? where are all these Americans who trust what their government tells them?

90% of the posts on GFY by Americans are people who don't trust their government.

There are still plenty who do... and they'll be in this thread soon to tell me what an idiot I am, I'm sure.
What's Bush's approval rating? 23%? 28%?

What is 28% of 300 million?

crockett 05-26-2008 04:53 AM

Because people are idiots but why do you think i'ts just Americans? Fuck, the French, are worse than us. The whole BS about the French being against the war in Iraq same as the Russians was total fucking Bull Shit.

The only reason they were against the war, because they were making money from Saddam and they knew they wouldn't get a big cut out of the war profiting.

Can we say North Korea? China? Germany? the UK.. ect..ect...
Pretty much any country is the same, most of the population in any country tends to drink the govt koolaid so why act like it's just America?

theking 05-26-2008 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14236872)
There are still plenty who do... and they'll be in this thread soon to tell me what an idiot I am, I'm sure.
What's Bush's approval rating? 23%? 28%?

What is 28% of 300 million?

A small minority...and is not an indication that even they trust the government or believe everything they are told by government. In addition the President is but a single person of a government that has many thousands of people serving.

StuartD 05-26-2008 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 14236878)
Because people are idiots but why do you think i'ts just Americans?

I'm sorry, but why do you think "why do most people, Americans in particular" means that I think it's JUST Americans?

StuartD 05-26-2008 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 14236880)
A small minority...and is not an indication that even they trust the government or believe everything they are told by government. In addition the President is but a single person of a government that has many thousands of people serving.

Start a thread about how anything the government might do could be something under handed and see how many people come in calling you an idiot conspiracy theorist.
You might be surprised.

And what makes you think I'm singling out the president? Where have I mentioned him?

IllTestYourGirls 05-26-2008 05:00 AM

I dunno check the #1 slot on the New York Best Sellers list and tell me that most Americans trust their government :2 cents:

theking 05-26-2008 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14236894)
Start a thread about how anything the government might do could be something under handed and see how many people come in calling you an idiot conspiracy theorist.
You might be surprised.

And what makes you think I'm singling out the president? Where have I mentioned him?

I quote you..."What's Bush's approval rating? 23%? 28%?"

Mutt 05-26-2008 05:03 AM

Americans tend to be more patriotic and ethnocentric than other countries but they have a very healthy suspicion of their own government post Watergate.

pocketkangaroo 05-26-2008 05:05 AM

I think a lot has to do with the two party system and how much it has broken apart the general public. Instead of being against all politicians and questioning them, people now have a "team". They'll bitch about the other party non-stop, but turn their heads toward anything their own party does.

Part of me thinks its stupidity, part of me thinks its just part of our social makeup that wants us to be a part of a group (a cause). I'm not really sure. I'm happy to be independent and believe just about every politician is a crook who couldn't cut it in the private sector.

StuartD 05-26-2008 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 14236903)
I quote you..."What's Bush's approval rating? 23%? 28%?"

Ah yes well... that's only because they don't have a "government approval rating".
But when it translates down, people are rating the entire government, not just the guy.

StuartD 05-26-2008 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14236907)
I think a lot has to do with the two party system and how much it has broken apart the general public. Instead of being against all politicians and questioning them, people now have a "team". They'll bitch about the other party non-stop, but turn their heads toward anything their own party does.

Part of me thinks its stupidity, part of me thinks its just part of our social makeup that wants us to be a part of a group (a cause). I'm not really sure. I'm happy to be independent and believe just about every politician is a crook who couldn't cut it in the private sector.

See, now that makes sense (about how it all makes no sense). Thank you. I agree with you too, that it does seem to be that way.

Like this election. People are picking who they dislike least to lead them. What kind of a choice is that? You should be picking the best leader out of a group of potentially great leaders... not the one guy who's not quite as bad as the other.

IllTestYourGirls 05-26-2008 05:09 AM

just a bunch of joiners herd mentality. The key reason Obama is getting 75k at his rallies.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14236907)
I think a lot has to do with the two party system and how much it has broken apart the general public. Instead of being against all politicians and questioning them, people now have a "team". They'll bitch about the other party non-stop, but turn their heads toward anything their own party does.

Part of me thinks its stupidity, part of me thinks its just part of our social makeup that wants us to be a part of a group (a cause). I'm not really sure. I'm happy to be independent and believe just about every politician is a crook who couldn't cut it in the private sector.


pocketkangaroo 05-26-2008 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 14236898)
I dunno check the #1 slot on the New York Best Sellers list and tell me that most Americans trust their government :2 cents:

But that's books, and only a small percent of the population is sitting down and reading these days. The large percent is watching Dancing with the Stars and voting for someone because they received a chain mail telling them one of the candidates was secretely Muslim.

IllTestYourGirls 05-26-2008 05:13 AM

Ya I thought of that after. :disgust

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14236921)
But that's books, and only a small percent of the population is sitting down and reading these days. The large percent is watching Dancing with the Stars and voting for someone because they received a chain mail telling them one of the candidates was secretely Muslim.


pocketkangaroo 05-26-2008 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14236917)
See, now that makes sense (about how it all makes no sense). Thank you. I agree with you too, that it does seem to be that way.

Like this election. People are picking who they dislike least to lead them. What kind of a choice is that? You should be picking the best leader out of a group of potentially great leaders... not the one guy who's not quite as bad as the other.

That is the problem with our election process. It's two parties, and they choose who gets to play. Anyone who thinks outside the box or goes against the grain can't run be the President.

On top of that, we don't even elect our President per say. We elect delegates in primaries to hopefully vote for the guy we want. There are superdelegates who get as much say as entire districts in our county. Even in the general election, all we do is tell the electors who our state wants as President. They are not bound to vote that way.

StuartD 05-26-2008 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14236926)
That is the problem with our election process. It's two parties, and they choose who gets to play. Anyone who thinks outside the box or goes against the grain can't run be the President.

On top of that, we don't even elect our President per say. We elect delegates in primaries to hopefully vote for the guy we want. There are superdelegates who get as much say as entire districts in our county. Even in the general election, all we do is tell the electors who our state wants as President. They are not bound to vote that way.

Yeah, it's quickly become a "the people pick their best person to represent them" to "the people in power pick other people in power to represent themselves, not the people."

Unfortunately, that's quickly becoming common everywhere, not just the US.

IllTestYourGirls 05-26-2008 05:20 AM

When you have handful of people that control the media it makes it a lot easier to keep fresh ideas out and package the same ideas as different.

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14236928)
Yeah, it's quickly become a "the people pick their best person to represent them" to "the people in power pick other people in power to represent themselves, not the people."

Unfortunately, that's quickly becoming common everywhere, not just the US.


SirMoby 05-26-2008 05:25 AM

I don't think Americans trust politicians. They DO trust radio commentators. So if Glen Beck, Hannity, Rush, Savage or whoever tells them that monkeys fly out their butt, they'll believe it.

They've learned to follow these people through the use of NLP and repetition.

pocketkangaroo 05-26-2008 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14236928)
Yeah, it's quickly become a "the people pick their best person to represent them" to "the people in power pick other people in power to represent themselves, not the people."

Unfortunately, that's quickly becoming common everywhere, not just the US.

It's actually always been that way here. We've never directly voted for our highest office. Also factor in that blacks, women, non-land owners couldn't vote for a large portion of our nation's history.

Votes also don't matter as we found out in 2000. I have a feeling that Obama is going to win the popular vote by a lot this year but lose the electoral college.

12clicks 05-26-2008 06:06 AM

I've always wondered how Canadian sig whores are so much smarter than "most Americans" and yet are less successful than "most Americans"
can someone explain that to me?

StuartD 05-26-2008 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14236995)
I've always wondered how Canadian sig whores are so much smarter than "most Americans" and yet are less successful than "most Americans"
can someone explain that to me?

Wow, I'm shocked you came into this thread. :1orglaugh

You're so predictable :glugglug

DaLord 05-26-2008 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 14236904)
Americans tend to be more patriotic and ethnocentric than other countries but they have a very healthy suspicion of their own government post Watergate.

Yet they voted for Bush again despite what went on during the first election?

GatorB 05-26-2008 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14236872)
There are still plenty who do... and they'll be in this thread soon to tell me what an idiot I am, I'm sure.
What's Bush's approval rating? 23%? 28%?

What is 28% of 300 million?

Well consdiering that 75 million are under 18 and can't vote I'm pretty sure they were part of the 28% that were asked. So the actual number would be 63 million that approve of him. Which is almost exactly the same number of people that voted for him in 2004.

crockett 05-26-2008 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14236889)
I'm sorry, but why do you think "why do most people, Americans in particular" means that I think it's JUST Americans?


Because it's very typical on this board for people to bash Americans. Tends to be several posts a week bashing Americans for this or that, seems this post would be another one, what point does it serve?

Why does it have to be so specific about Americans? What is the point that you want to prove that can only be proven by talking specifically about Americans? Why not ask the question about people in general and their trust of govts?

Phoenix 05-26-2008 06:59 AM

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crockett 05-26-2008 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaLord (Post 14237009)
Yet they voted for Bush again despite what went on during the first election?

Bush lost the popular vote.. (IE the people's vote) The majority of the people did not vote for him, but unfortunately the electoral college didn't work the way it was supposed to and issues with the recount allowed him to be re-elected.

StuartD 05-26-2008 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 14237073)
Because it's very typical on this board for people to bash Americans. Tends to be several posts a week bashing Americans for this or that, seems this post would be another one, what point does it serve?

Why does it have to be so specific about Americans? What is the point that you want to prove that can only be proven by talking specifically about Americans? Why not ask the question about people in general and their trust of govts?

I did ask people in general. Don't be so defensive.

Violetta 05-26-2008 07:44 AM

"Think for yourself, question autorities"

The Duck 05-26-2008 07:59 AM

Because they are stupid and gullible.

chelo - adultcopywriters 05-26-2008 08:09 AM

Historically the American people have been easily fooled plenty of times. This is no news. It doesn't mean other people haven't. The thing with the US is that they have too many militia and their presidents are always looking for a new enemy to test their toys. So the whole world begs Americans are not fooled again. It would be a certain step back if McCain wins the following election, the whole world would see it as if all Americans support the Iraq war. In any case I don't think the situation in Iraq would change much if Obama or Hillary wins either.

florin 05-26-2008 08:11 AM

where did u get this idea of people trusting governments?

Barefootsies 05-26-2008 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 14236868)
It is my experience that most Americans certainly do not believe "everything" the government tells them. I do not know anyone that meets that criteria.

I think you have a good percentage, in my experience mainly from the south, or certain socio-economic classes who believe. Then you have a good majority who are simply apathetic.. So if it doesn't effect their day-to-day lives. They simply do not give a shit.
:2 cents:

Babaganoosh 05-26-2008 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14237126)
I did ask people in general. Don't be so defensive.

Why do most people, Americans in particular...

Spyce 05-26-2008 08:21 AM

Some people are just stupid... the rest of us don't trust anyone in politics or on the pulpit...

flashfire 05-26-2008 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 14236995)
I've always wondered how Canadian sig whores are so much smarter than "most Americans" and yet are less successful than "most Americans"
can someone explain that to me?

well most canadians are far more successful than most americans

:) but that has more to do with the economy

sniperwolf 05-26-2008 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 14236904)
Americans tend to be more patriotic and ethnocentric than other countries but they have a very healthy suspicion of their own government post Watergate.

Yes, probably it is! However, isn't that suspicion transcends through these 28% number of people and they still don't learned?

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Originally Posted by kandah (Post 14237262)
Because they are stupid and gullible.

aren't you one of them? :upsidedow

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