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DateDoc 01-15-2008 10:55 AM

Are Netflix and BlockBuster sweating today???
 
"Here's what you can do with Apple TV: rent movies directly on widescreen TV with Apple TV. Rent them in DVD quality, rent them in HD with 5.1" Steve Jobs giving the keynote.

MetaMan 01-15-2008 10:57 AM

again i refuse to buy anything apple after those annoying commericals. :mad:

tony286 01-15-2008 10:57 AM

How many people have apple tv maybe 4?

DateDoc 01-15-2008 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13653869)
How many people have apple tv maybe 4?

ah u seem to forget that you can get these movies thru itunes and watch them on an ipod, tv, pc, wherever you want.

Jace 01-15-2008 10:58 AM

i pay $19.99 for blockbuster and get unlimited movies

I go through probably 9 movies a week

how much is apple tv again?

Brother Bilo 01-15-2008 10:59 AM

I'm sure Blockbuster and Netflicks haven't given it a second thought.

Jace 01-15-2008 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 13653877)
ah u seem to forget that you can get these movies thru itunes and watch them on an ipod, tv, pc, wherever you want.

every dvd I get I can pop in my computer and have it on my zune in less than 1 hour

pornguy 01-15-2008 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Bilo (Post 13653885)
I'm sure Blockbuster and Netflicks haven't given it a second thought.

IM sure that they have. To over look what is going on is impending doom for them.

Horny Dude 01-15-2008 11:02 AM

I heard that Microsoft is coming out with something as well for the Xbox360. Blockbuster is sweating hard and so is Hollywood video. They seriously need to lower their rental fees or they are going to be closing alot of stores. Seriously $4 to rent a movie, $7 to rent a game....come on!

tony286 01-15-2008 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 13653892)
every dvd I get I can pop in my computer and have it on my zune in less than 1 hour

do you like zune? Im thinking of getting one.

DateDoc 01-15-2008 11:04 AM

List of participating studios - Touchstone, Miramax, MGM, Lionsgate, and New Line Cinema are involved, plus Fox, Warner, Disney, Paramount, Universal, and Sony.

Jace 01-15-2008 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13653914)
do you like zune? Im thinking of getting one.

I have had 2 ipods and a zune

since I got the zune my ipods have collected dust

the zune is fucking SO far superior, and the new updates they have out now are amazing....NO CORDS...everything is all wifi, and they are coming out with web browsing via wifi on it soon too

if I wanna add new songs I just throw them into the SYNC bin on my laptop, then push SYNC on my zune and it does it all wirelessly

D 01-15-2008 11:06 AM

I don't think it'll mean their impending doom...

it'll just give them an opportunity to evolve.

Personally, I'm a big fan of Netflix. Not sure their selection can be beat.

Provided they keep upgrading their "Watch Instantly" Selections, I'm sure I'll be with them for some time.

Jace 01-15-2008 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horny Dude (Post 13653906)
I heard that Microsoft is coming out with something as well for the Xbox360. Blockbuster is sweating hard and so is Hollywood video. They seriously need to lower their rental fees or they are going to be closing alot of stores. Seriously $4 to rent a movie, $7 to rent a game....come on!

what year are you in?

blockbuster.com - $19.99 a month, 3 movies out at once, they arrive in ONE DAY, then you take them to blockbuster and exchange them for a free in store rental

TheDoc 01-15-2008 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 13653881)
i pay $19.99 for blockbuster and get unlimited movies

I go through probably 9 movies a week

how much is apple tv again?

9 movies a week? Ouch, how do you have the time? I can hardly make it through a movie a month. I probably rent 1 movie every 6 months, might see a theater release once a year.

I have about a 30-60min attention span on a tv, enough for a couple of mindless adult cartoons.

JayDeeZee 01-15-2008 11:10 AM

Who owns Blockbuster? Isn't it a major studio?

Jace 01-15-2008 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 13653948)
9 movies a week? Ouch, how do you have the time? I can hardly make it through a movie a month. I probably rent 1 movie every 6 months, might see a theater release once a year.

I have about a 30-60min attention span on a tv, enough for a couple of mindless adult cartoons.

man, I LOVE movies..I always find time for them

we just added showtime and starz to our directivo movie selections, our hard drive on our tivo is filling so fast!

Brad 01-15-2008 11:24 AM

Stupid question since you can already order vids in HD on the TV and have been able to for a while. It will eat into some market share, but people like the experience of going to the vid store and seeing the covers, getting recommendations, etc. Not to mention the fact that if you have the physical DVD you can copy it while if you stream it you can not.

This appeals to different customers. Asking if this is making Blockbuster sweat is like asking if the local store that rents for $2-$3 less is making them sweat.

If you are referring to the mail order shit, that is not their primary source of income. If it were you would see stores closing, and that is not the case.

This is merely an attempt at repackaging something that already exists and selling us something we do not need.

tranza 01-15-2008 11:42 AM

Unless Netflix and Blockbuster diversify their business model, they'll be dead pretty soon...

:2 cents:

Lensman 01-15-2008 12:00 PM

Netflix expects to not be mailing movies in a few years, it will be all download or streaming.

I've been renting Netflix for years, but just recently got throttled. On the eight plan, and I guess they don't want you going through that many HD movies a week.

cherrylula 01-15-2008 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 13653865)
again i refuse to buy anything apple after those annoying commericals. :mad:

That's how people feel about your posts. Good thing you aren't selling anything. :1orglaugh :upsidedow

cherrylula 01-15-2008 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lensman (Post 13654133)
Netflix expects to not be mailing movies in a few years, it will be all download or streaming.

I've been renting Netflix for years, but just recently got throttled. On the eight plan, and I guess they don't want you going through that many HD movies a week.

Yeah we recently upped our plan too, and the movies started taking twice as long to get here. I cut it back to the smallest plan after that.

Brother Bilo 01-15-2008 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza (Post 13654064)
Unless Netflix and Blockbuster diversify their business model, they'll be dead pretty soon...

:2 cents:

Blockbuster just did that. They matched Neflix and then one-upped them by allowing the mail order movies to be returned to a local store for the swith-a-roo. They'll be just fine.

Netflix also started streaming movies not too long ago.

Neither of these companies are stagnant by any means. They'll both be fine.

bronco67 01-15-2008 12:33 PM

just what we need, precious bandwidth being sucked up by digital transfers of Just Like Heaven in HD.

crockett 01-15-2008 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 13653860)
"Here's what you can do with Apple TV: rent movies directly on widescreen TV with Apple TV. Rent them in DVD quality, rent them in HD with 5.1" Steve Jobs giving the keynote.

It's nothing new.. I used to have stock in gameznflix.com and they have been planing on offering movies/games for D/L since they opened. Netflix has planned the same. The only thing holding them up is download speeds.

Apple TV still will require a subscription to a HSD provider, so in reality what's the diffrence in using it vs one of the others'. Only real diffrence is you use a seprate box plugged into a TV, so it's a little easier.

RedShoe 01-15-2008 12:46 PM

Just do what I do, join a few hollywood unions and get all your movies for free. It's a lot easier and you often get movies while they are still in theaters and you occasionally get some that haven't hit theaters yet. We sometimes get TV shows before the episodes hit TV, as was the case with Dexter and the Sopranos.

aico 01-15-2008 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Bilo (Post 13653885)
I'm sure Blockbuster and Netflicks haven't given it a second thought.

Yet, I am positive you are wrong:

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Girding for a potential threat from Apple Inc., online DVD rental service Netflix Inc. is lifting its limits on how long most subscribers can watch movies and television shows over high-speed Internet connections.
The Associated Press has learned the change will become effective Monday, on the eve of Apple's widely anticipated move into the movie rental industry. Although Apple hasn't confirmed anything yet, Chief Executive Steve Jobs is expected to make it official during a presentation Tuesday in San Francisco.
Netflix is gearing up for the increased competition by expanding a year-old feature that streams movies over the Internet instead of making customers wait for their online rental requests to be delivered through the mail.

LINK

Karupted Charles 01-15-2008 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Bilo (Post 13653885)
I'm sure Blockbuster and Netflicks haven't given it a second thought.


sounds like playboy in the 90's lol.

playboy employee: Hey Hef this thing called the internet people can get access to nude pics at home cheap.


Hef: Who the hell wants to look at porn on the intent when I have these nice glossy pics you have to get delivered or go out and buy?

That turned out well didn't it.


As for this its great news for me. I dont do the unlimited cause most movies that come out now are crap i rent maybe one move a month and saving the trip to blockbuster will be nice. For volume people not a big deal but us occasional renters can see an advantage.

GatorB 01-15-2008 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horny Dude (Post 13653906)
I heard that Microsoft is coming out with something as well for the Xbox360. Blockbuster is sweating hard and so is Hollywood video. They seriously need to lower their rental fees or they are going to be closing alot of stores. Seriously $4 to rent a movie, $7 to rent a game....come on!

Actually they have that NOW. They have had it.

GatorB 01-15-2008 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 13653860)
"Here's what you can do with Apple TV: rent movies directly on widescreen TV with Apple TV. Rent them in DVD quality, rent them in HD with 5.1" Steve Jobs giving the keynote.

It's called Amazon Unbox. You can download them straight to your Tivo if you have one.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/video/tivo

Apple TV sucked before I don't see how it's any better. Since it's Apple it's probably overpriced.

aico 01-15-2008 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 13654863)
Apple TV sucked before I don't see how it's any better. Since it's Apple it's probably overpriced.

This is what makes it better

warlock5 01-15-2008 02:55 PM

Yep, I've been using Amazon Unbox for a while now. Fuck blockbuster and netflix, I'd rather pay $2.99 press a few buttons and see the movie of my choice, at that time, in 15 minutes.

Or how about TV shows. Wait a few years for the show to come out on DVD, or have it automatically downloaded to my PC within hours of it airing on TV, commercial free.

That said, its going to be a while until the digital downloads catches up with DVD inventory. Right now Amazon has about 9,000 movies for download but there is a lot of junk in there. Give it another 4 years and its not Netflix+Blockbuster that will be in trouble, but DVD and Bluray. All of physical media is in trouble.

96ukssob 01-15-2008 04:54 PM

one thing i hate about apple tv, which has stopped me from buying it, is you have to download to your computer first, then transfer to the box.

with tivo, you can download movies right away from amazon to your tivo box. quality is not HD but sure is a neat feature.

After Shock Media 01-15-2008 05:05 PM

I always thought blockbuster was more of a real estate company financed by movie rentals. Do they not own like prime real estate in all the best shopping centers across the US.

Anyways are not most companies looking at online delivery or video on demand via your cable box?

Snake Doctor 01-15-2008 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 13653930)
what year are you in?

blockbuster.com - $19.99 a month, 3 movies out at once, they arrive in ONE DAY, then you take them to blockbuster and exchange them for a free in store rental

I had that plan. Started at 17.99 or 19.99....then they raised the price to 24.95. I said, mmmmkay, I'm getting alot so no biggie.

Last month they sent me an email saying they're raising the price to $34.95 for that plan, so I said, SEE YA.

If you're still managing to get that program for $20 then good for you, but for me it was going to cost a good bit more than that.

GatorB 01-15-2008 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico (Post 13654897)

"Another unknown is how much studios will demand for rentals. Variety recently reported that Apple could end up charging somewhere between $2 and $5 for a movie rental that will expire only 24 hours after it's downloaded. "

On my son's 360 I can download movies for $2-$6 depending on age and whether it's HD or not and I have 14 days from the time I download it to watch it. Only after I statr watching it does the 24 hour time limit kick in.

With Amazon Unbox I have 30 days from download to watch. 24 hours only after I start watching. Movies are $4 to rent. Only bad part is no HD movies for rent.

So I need an AppleTV why?

GatorB 01-15-2008 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warlock5 (Post 13654907)
Give it another 4 years and its not Netflix+Blockbuster that will be in trouble, but DVD and Bluray. All of physical media is in trouble.


1/3 of Ameerican do not have internet. 1/6 only have dial-up. Those numbers aren't dropping by much over the next 10-12 years. So movie studios are going to just give up on 50% of the population? Doubtful. Also 50% of American with broadband only have 2 Mbps connection or less. Gee only will take them 7.5 hours to down the 720p version of Transformers on XBOX Live at 2 Mbps. You need an minimum 10 Mbps to stream and download HD content adn only 5% of Americans have that.

Studios aren't sticking millions into blu-ray just to watch it go away in 5 years.

Also a DVD you can take anywhere and play into almost anything. Desktop computer, laptop, DVD player, PS2, XBOX, XBOX 360, PS2, Wii, portable DVD player, blu-ray player or HD-DVD player. As long as digital downloads are only available on a specific computer or player, game system or DVR it won't take off. For example you can only download from XBOX Live onto your XBOX Live hard drive and you can only use the 360 to watch it. If your hard drive gets full oh well you have to delete stuff. You can't even transfer stuff to an external hard drive for storage.

kane 01-15-2008 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico (Post 13654747)
Yet, I am positive you are wrong:

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Girding for a potential threat from Apple Inc., online DVD rental service Netflix Inc. is lifting its limits on how long most subscribers can watch movies and television shows over high-speed Internet connections.
The Associated Press has learned the change will become effective Monday, on the eve of Apple's widely anticipated move into the movie rental industry. Although Apple hasn't confirmed anything yet, Chief Executive Steve Jobs is expected to make it official during a presentation Tuesday in San Francisco.
Netflix is gearing up for the increased competition by expanding a year-old feature that streams movies over the Internet instead of making customers wait for their online rental requests to be delivered through the mail.

LINK

Yep. I have had Neflix for around 2 years now. About 6 months ago I dropped down to the 1 out at a time option for around $9 a month and I watch around 1 movie ever 7-10 days. A few days ago I got an email from them saying that I now have unlimited viewing in their online streaming movies. They actually have some cool stuff in there and they are always adding more.

kane 01-15-2008 07:23 PM

I think Blockbuster and Hollywood video are hurting. In the last five years Blockbuster has seen its stock drop from around $15 a share down to around $3 a share. With more and more things out there to take up people's time stores like Blockbuster have more and more competition and it will only get worse. Now there are so many places to get movies via pay per view that renting them is less attractive to many people. With high speed Internet continuing to roll out, ipods, cell phones that do every thing, video games and cable TV with 200 channels fewer people see a reason to drive to the video store. That said I think DVD sales will stay strong for a long time to come. Some people just like owning the DVD. I don't know why, for 95% of people buying a DVD is a waste of money because they are going to watch it 1-2 times and then it collects dust for years, but people will still buy them. However they may not rent them because it is a hassle driving there and back and maybe getting late fees.

I won't be surprised to see either blockbuster or Hollywood video buy the other chain out in the next 5 years and then downsize the whole operation.

aico 01-15-2008 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 13655764)
"Another unknown is how much studios will demand for rentals. Variety recently reported that Apple could end up charging somewhere between $2 and $5 for a movie rental that will expire only 24 hours after it's downloaded. "

On my son's 360 I can download movies for $2-$6 depending on age and whether it's HD or not and I have 14 days from the time I download it to watch it. Only after I statr watching it does the 24 hour time limit kick in.

With Amazon Unbox I have 30 days from download to watch. 24 hours only after I start watching. Movies are $4 to rent. Only bad part is no HD movies for rent.

So I need an AppleTV why?

Guess you missed the part where it will let you burn DVDs of the movies. :2 cents:


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