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Bandwidth Quality Tutorial, MojoHost approach to good routing.
Hello Everyone
Rather than using these pinned threads for shameless self promotion all of the time I thought it would be a nice change to rotate in some educational information on various hosting topics. I’m not writing any of this to instigate arguments or comparisons between specific hosts. Rather, to give some quality information and my personal view on the how and why we do things. To those of you that take the time to read this, thank you in advance and I hope you enjoy the information below. The basic concept that I wanted to share today is one of routing performance and bandwidth quality. As you know, virtually all hosting companies connect to at least one but usually multiple global networks. The average host will advertise that they are fully redundant and use BGP4 to communicate with all of their carriers. I am expressing that it is my professional opinion that this more ‘traditional’ setup is inadequate and that even hosts advertising “premium bandwidth” will have less than ideal routing unless they utilize the right routing tools and strategies. For the sake of brevity, this is not an article on whole network setup, not even about specific carriers, even though I will be referencing some for data purposes. My purpose is to express the following opinion and then back it up with factual references so that you as a host consumer can make more educated decisions about what is best for your business. Brad Says: No single global carrier is “the best” all of the time. All carriers regardless size, retail cost of bandwidth and market reputation experience network congestion, packet loss, router problems, downtime, peering problems and poor route decision making. In a more traditional setup hosts are given “routing tables” on a regular basis from each of the carriers that they connect to. The host routers presume the information to be valid and then subsequently divide traffic across the different carriers they connect to based on the volumes they want to see on each of their links. In other words, it’s not inherently a performance based decision or one that checks the validity of the routes being passed from their carriers selling them bandwidth. On MojoHost’s network we deploy a device manufactured by a company called Internap called the Flow Control Platform (FCP). I believe that the end result of having this additional piece of equipment on our network is substantially improved bandwidth performance and more intelligent routing across all of the 7 carriers and 34 gigabit of current connectivity. More on that in a little bit… My basic belief is that as a host we must assume that every network is not perfect and neither is the route information they pass along to us. Every network in our opinion has both strong and weak components that are ever changing in nature. Manually doing the work of checking routes for packet loss, jitter and latency is impossible. Assuming that the route paths given to us by carriers are correct, working and the best possible path would be flawed and in many instances incorrect. The device that I deploy on our network earlier referred to as the FCP does some great things. In a nutshell, it is constantly performance checking and rebuilding our MojoHost routing table to the rest of the world. It takes the top 50,000 destination networks surfing our network and does route analysis across all 7 carriers we connect to on a constant basis to develop our end state routing table. On an average day it makes 50,000 route changes to and from various networks, all on auto-pilot, just based on performance decisions. I believe the proof is in the results. I think that by using a device like this that the end result is our intelligently blended bandwidth product is better than most competitors and clearly makes the case that no one network provider has the best routes all of the time… that the best case scenario is intelligent monitoring and bandwidth distribution across a wide variety of global carriers. We can all agree that Level3 has a superb reputation in the marketplace as they do have an expansive, high quality global footprint and operation. During a one hour period this is a list of round 450 performance based changes that our FCP made to take traffic off of our Level3 link and place it on other networks. During the 60 minute period our network device made around 2200 route changes to and from various carriers. Below are links to both the l3 route changes and the whole list. If you look at them what you want to focus on is the round-trip time on the old path and the round-trip time on the new path in addition to any changes in packet loss that are identified between old and new carrier selection. Short text list summary of changes from Level3 to other carriers: http://www.mojohost.com/gfy/level3.txt Excel spreadsheet showing 2228 changes across multiple carriers: http://www.mojohost.com/gfy/ControlEvents.xls The more grand point that I am trying to illustrate is that the whole of network planning and implementation is often more important and sophisticated (and expensive) than simply connecting to a bunch of carriers or just buying bandwidth from a ‘marquis’ value carrier. What we clearly see on a daily basis is that many of these networks have substantial value and performance to offer and that the best practice is to implement as many as possible and then intelligently monitor and change outbound traffic routes based on solid performance data. If anyone has any questions, feel free to chat me up here, via email, ICQ or phone. Sincerely, Brad Mitchell P.S. - Those New Years specials I posted last week are still good ;) |
Very informative for those who dont know much about how routing works, thumbs up to you brad.
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There is a reason why my p2p servers perform best with Mojo. Best routes to DL.
Always the best choice. I am moving many more of my sites and p2p bandwidth to Mojo this year. |
Nice post :thumbsup
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interesting...I know nothing about all this but always willing to learn something new.
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Great post Brad - Very informative.
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good reading material.
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Brad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I JUST BLEW UP MY SERVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nevermind....... I kidding. lol. |
For those of you that don't want to download or view the files that I posted, here are the changes from Level3 to other networks. So that it would format and fit properly I took off the ip block, date-time stamp and AS# that the IP space belongs to.
Yes, you'll see here (just as you see clearly on our website) that we do use some Cogent bandwidth on our network. I think this most clearly demonstrates just exactly how and why it makes sense to have such diversity. For those of you questioning how much traffic we route on Cogent it's approximately 4% of our current outbound and it's not a link that we burst at all on. Columns: Old Carrier, New Carrier, Old Latency, New Latency, Old Packet Loss, New Packet Loss Level3 Cogent 30 14 0 0 Level3 Cogent 38 18 0 0 Level3 Cogent 61 40 0 0 Level3 Cogent 85 58 0 0 Level3 Cogent 133 83 0 0 Level3 Cogent 63 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 124 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 60 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 63 36 6 0 Level3 Cogent 94 18 0 0 Level3 Cogent 52 31 0 0 Level3 Cogent 63 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 62 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 54 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 55 38 0 0 Level3 Cogent 60 45 0 0 Level3 Cogent 50 28 0 0 Level3 Cogent 65 38 0 0 Level3 Cogent 69 48 0 0 Level3 Cogent 148 117 0 0 Level3 Cogent 192 134 0 0 Level3 Cogent 208 165 13 0 Level3 Cogent 466 229 0 0 Level3 Cogent 174 125 0 0 Level3 Cogent 301 231 0 0 Level3 Cogent 49 34 6 0 Level3 Cogent 139 107 25 0 Level3 Cogent 55 39 0 0 Level3 Cogent 212 155 0 0 Level3 Cogent 41 16 0 0 Level3 Cogent 40 21 0 0 Level3 Cogent 50 33 0 0 Level3 Cogent 70 50 0 0 Level3 Cogent 85 67 0 0 Level3 Cogent 277 188 0 0 Level3 Cogent 36 16 0 0 Level3 Cogent 50 27 0 0 Level3 Cogent 23 39 40 13 Level3 Cogent 60 45 0 0 Level3 Cogent n/a 46 100 0 Level3 Cogent 64 48 0 0 Level3 Cogent 65 50 0 0 Level3 Cogent 65 50 0 0 Level3 Cogent 61 38 0 0 Level3 Cogent 82 61 0 0 Level3 Cogent 259 166 0 0 Level3 Cogent 215 172 0 0 Level3 Cogent 148 115 0 0 Level3 Cogent 29 14 0 0 Level3 Cogent 76 58 0 0 Level3 Cogent 52 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 70 49 0 0 Level3 Cogent 78 58 0 0 Level3 Cogent 189 167 40 6 Level3 Cogent 29 14 0 0 Level3 Cogent 29 14 0 0 Level3 Cogent 56 39 0 0 Level3 Cogent 57 42 0 0 Level3 Cogent 48 14 0 0 Level3 Cogent 48 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 74 59 0 0 Level3 Cogent 29 14 0 0 Level3 Cogent 36 14 0 0 Level3 Cogent 54 37 0 0 Level3 Cogent 76 54 0 0 Level3 Cogent 48 65 33 13 Level3 Cogent 240 191 0 0 Level3 Cogent 51 130 70 0 Level3 Cogent 187 176 20 0 Level3 Cogent 69 50 0 0 Level3 Cogent 188 138 0 0 Level3 Cogent 29 14 0 0 Level3 Cogent 89 63 0 0 Level3 Cogent 122 118 30 0 Level3 Cogent 235 153 0 0 Level3 Cogent 42 16 0 0 Level3 Cogent 46 25 0 0 Level3 Cogent 46 60 33 13 Level3 Cogent 60 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 102 64 0 0 Level3 Cogent 29 14 0 0 Level3 Cogent 223 169 0 0 Level3 Cogent 52 33 0 0 Level3 Cogent 50 35 0 0 Level3 Cogent 40 46 42 13 Level3 Cogent 173 174 71 0 Level3 Cogent 161 177 50 0 Level3 Cogent 49 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 56 38 0 0 Level3 Cogent 52 27 0 0 Level3 Cogent 55 33 0 0 Level3 Cogent 63 34 0 0 Level3 Cogent 55 37 0 0 Level3 Cogent 151 93 0 0 Level3 Cogent 122 96 0 0 Level3 Cogent 225 175 0 0 Level3 Cogent 87 69 0 0 Level3 Cogent 113 88 0 0 Level3 Cogent 49 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 128 128 20 6 Level3 Cogent 170 132 0 0 Level3 Cogent 215 159 0 0 Level3 Cogent 78 43 0 0 Level3 Cogent 69 50 0 0 Level3 Cogent 85 41 20 0 Level3 Cogent 48 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 46 29 33 0 Level3 Cogent 60 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 62 42 0 0 Level3 Cogent 82 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 59 35 0 0 Level3 Cogent 68 50 0 0 Level3 Cogent 74 50 0 0 Level3 Cogent 77 77 20 6 Level3 Cogent 250 197 0 0 Level3 Cogent 29 14 0 0 Level3 Cogent 60 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 52 33 0 0 Level3 Cogent 61 42 0 0 Level3 Cogent 133 52 0 0 Level3 Cogent 29 14 0 0 Level3 Cogent 29 23 26 0 Level3 Cogent 52 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 89 66 0 0 Level3 Cogent 163 1 0 0 Level3 Cogent 46 31 0 0 Level3 Cogent 66 48 0 0 Level3 Cogent 58 69 20 13 Level3 Cogent 123 128 70 6 Level3 Cogent 279 304 66 0 Level3 Cogent 62 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 69 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 124 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 215 171 0 0 Level3 Cogent 298 212 0 0 Level3 Cogent 94 37 0 0 Level3 Cogent 212 165 0 0 Level3 Cogent 265 189 0 0 Level3 Cogent 48 27 0 0 Level3 Cogent 46 31 0 0 Level3 Cogent 59 43 0 0 Level3 Cogent 206 168 53 33 Level3 Cogent 54 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 133 105 0 0 Level3 Cogent 64 32 0 0 Level3 Cogent 74 55 0 0 Level3 Cogent 220 165 40 33 Level3 GlobalCrossing 149 103 6 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 152 108 6 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 53 38 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 86 67 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 49 32 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 88 66 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 100 49 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 90 72 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 101 49 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 322 333 50 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 99 49 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 150 106 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 98 49 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 91 69 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 91 72 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 183 101 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 255 193 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 48 32 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 86 67 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 50 35 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 50 35 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 38 56 26 6 Level3 GlobalCrossing 51 34 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 87 69 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 208 235 50 33 Level3 GlobalCrossing 119 26 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 217 172 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 21 6 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 56 33 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 49 33 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 87 69 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 86 67 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 63 48 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 84 67 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 105 106 20 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 123 123 20 13 Level3 GlobalCrossing 149 106 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 142 171 26 6 Level3 GlobalCrossing 88 67 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 174 127 6 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 44 14 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 45 30 6 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 88 69 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 57 29 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 56 40 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 133 161 20 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 1051 214 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 75 33 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 46 31 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 48 32 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 28 13 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 23 23 40 13 Level3 GlobalCrossing 41 26 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 120 49 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 83 66 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 85 67 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 151 108 6 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 48 33 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 48 32 0 0 Level3 GlobalCrossing 153 106 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 116 36 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 49 28 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 115 36 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 194 151 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 164 168 20 0 Level3 Hurricane 187 189 60 10 Level3 Hurricane 388 306 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 199 90 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 129 29 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 124 35 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 178 124 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 217 173 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 76 59 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 106 35 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 131 38 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 64 45 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 64 46 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 535 185 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 36 14 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 149 36 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 117 36 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 64 46 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 33 15 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 276 112 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 104 30 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 64 46 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 38 39 26 6 Level3 Hurricane 246 46 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 31 30 54 20 Level3 Hurricane 291 148 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 58 28 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 185 132 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 83 60 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 210 150 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 138 144 20 6 Level3 Hurricane 66 28 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 57 27 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 56 28 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 146 140 33 6 Level3 Hurricane 152 162 20 0 Level3 Hurricane 66 42 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 128 128 50 5 Level3 Hurricane 77 58 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 197 52 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 66 49 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 90 72 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 64 46 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 208 157 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 76 90 33 20 Level3 Hurricane 136 139 20 13 Level3 Hurricane 58 41 6 0 Level3 Hurricane 65 29 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 245 30 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 65 76 53 13 Level3 Hurricane 57 42 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 152 115 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 190 123 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 97 28 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 116 35 0 0 Level3 Hurricane 49 29 4 0 Level3 Hurricane 111 105 20 0 |
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Columns: Old Carrier, New Carrier, Old Latency, New Latency, Old Packet Loss, New Packet Loss Level3 PCCWGlobal 93 56 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 48 32 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 99 76 5 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 120 5 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 62 43 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 70 48 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 63 48 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 74 57 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 127 64 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 174 82 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 311 205 20 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 201 159 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 66 72 50 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 203 193 46 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 48 61 60 10 Level3 PCCWGlobal 120 121 63 40 Level3 PCCWGlobal 121 95 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 83 66 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 92 73 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 113 128 60 12 Level3 PCCWGlobal 43 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 29 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 92 103 26 6 Level3 PCCWGlobal 125 3 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 103 15 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 55 38 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 69 52 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 51 32 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 120 66 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 34 14 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 215 168 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 56 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 55 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 54 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 31 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 27 30 33 13 Level3 PCCWGlobal 272 117 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 215 168 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 216 170 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 53 26 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 69 52 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 108 85 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 128 110 33 6 Level3 PCCWGlobal 96 46 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 99 76 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 506 346 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 171 53 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 57 36 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 28 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 49 33 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 84 54 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 133 106 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 179 130 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 98 52 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 50 32 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 94 51 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 32 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 31 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 99 76 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 29 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 84 67 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 110 88 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 31 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 30 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 84 67 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 270 258 26 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 54 39 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 74 55 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 150 112 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 130 157 20 6 Level3 PCCWGlobal 32 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 45 30 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 85 67 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 35 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 54 38 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 47 31 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 42 14 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 66 34 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 187 171 61 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 54 39 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 238 241 50 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 86 68 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 157 123 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 180 185 26 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 40 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 49 14 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 39 18 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 73 57 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 83 66 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 133 162 50 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 33 13 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 16 16 53 26 Level3 PCCWGlobal 252 114 0 0 Level3 PCCWGlobal 33 13 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 437 127 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 163 129 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 116 29 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 52 34 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 248 140 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 150 181 50 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 88 70 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 555 208 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 28 13 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 115 29 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 154 108 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 296 29 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 530 139 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 113 28 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 128 29 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 72 55 20 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 185 103 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 30 14 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 120 29 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 133 29 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 109 34 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 274 183 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 300 28 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 117 30 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 123 29 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 58 58 20 13 Level3 TelecomItalia 181 104 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 133 28 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 45 29 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 45 27 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 86 34 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 136 148 20 13 Level3 TelecomItalia 149 28 10 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 265 143 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 524 176 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 286 28 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 110 28 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 115 28 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 114 28 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 118 29 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 48 33 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 82 61 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 1341 825 20 10 Level3 TelecomItalia 292 222 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 36 40 25 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 131 131 20 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 29 14 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 401 173 0 4 Level3 TelecomItalia 55 29 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 87 79 26 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 270 298 50 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 112 108 26 6 Level3 TelecomItalia 231 129 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 33 34 50 6 Level3 TelecomItalia 153 110 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 349 226 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 89 29 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 46 28 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 137 135 33 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 267 28 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 30 15 0 0 Level3 TelecomItalia 125 152 20 6 Level3 TelecomItalia 378 266 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 75 14 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 120 53 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 234 149 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 259 179 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 370 295 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 384 166 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 31 14 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 137 138 60 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 50 67 26 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 239 191 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 224 231 66 40 Level3 TeliaSonera 125 33 50 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 112 89 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 221 175 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 240 185 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 32 15 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 239 185 0 0 Level3 TeliaSonera 51 86 46 13 Level3 TeliaSonera 145 n/a 61 38 |
Brad I don't see How MojoHost has anything to bragg about.
For instance if you compare MojoHost to say ISPRIME and NationalNet (2 of the biggest hosts in our industry) here is what you will find: MojoHost: Information for AS27589 EOS / Easy Online Solutions, Ltd. (website: MOJOHOST An average of 2.45 networks traversed to the Internet (3.31 in explicit paths traversed) Control of approx 25,339 IP addresses (0.00%) in 5 groups [more info...] Issuer of approx 0 IP addresses (0.00%) 7 peers total (0.01%) (0 leaves) Peers Neighbors ASN Name 174 COGENT-PSI-1 1299 TELIANET 3356 LEVEL3 3491 BTN-ASN 3549 GBLX 6762 SEABONE-NET 27229 WEBHOST-ASN1 NOW let compare that: ISPRIME Information for AS23393 ISPRIME / ISPrime, Inc. ISPRIME An average of 2.36 networks traversed to the Internet (3.65 in explicit paths traversed) Control of approx 54,009 IP addresses (0.00%) in 7 groups [more info...] Issuer of approx 8,445 IP addresses (15.64%) 32 peers total (0.05%) (0 leaves) Peers Neighbors ASN Name 812 ROGERS-CABLE 852 ASN852 1299 TELIANET 2516 KDDI 2914 NTT-COMMUNICATIONS-2914 3303 SWISSCOM 3333 RIPE-NCC-AS 3356 LEVEL3 4436 AS-NLAYER 4513 AS-GLOBIX 4565 MEGAPATH2-US 5650 FRONTIER-FRTR 6128 CABLE-NET-1 6389 BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK 6453 TELEGLOBE-AS 6461 ABOVENET 6539 GT-BELL 6939 HURRICANE 7843 ADELPHIA-AS 8001 NET-ACCESS-CORP 8075 MICROSOFT-CORP---MSN-AS-BLOCK 9121 TTNET 10310 YAHOO-1 12956 TELEFONICA 15290 ALLST-15290 22212 INTERNAP-PEERING-NETWORK 22691 ISPNET-1 22867 IHN 25462 RETN-AS 26627 AS-PILOSOFT 27519 CASIOI 29791 VOXEL-DOT-NET NationalNet: Information for AS22384 NATIONALNET-1 / NationalNet An average of 2.60 networks traversed to the Internet (4.18 in explicit paths traversed) Control of approx 22,525 IP addresses (0.00%) in 3 groups [more info...] Issuer of approx 0 IP addresses (0.00%) 4 peers total (0.01%) (0 leaves) Peers Neighbors ASN Name 3356 LEVEL3 3549 GBLX 10355 DSCGA 32787 PROLEXIC-TECHNOLOGIES-DDOS-MIT ASN Name For one right away I see that MojoHost buys its bandwidth from Cogent which automatically sets off a red flag for me and then there is Seabone another low quality cheap carrier that MojoHost buys from. I would say your network quality isn't all that you paint it to be. Not to put down MojoHost in any way it's just that Im so fucking tired of these folks talking about how their host is superior then the rest. Everyone knows where the biggest affiliate programs today are hosted and I guess for a good reason. Of course manny people also consider price when shopping around (so do I) when I needed another server I considered 3 major points 1. Network and Hardware 2. Tech Support Competence 3. Price/ Value I think MojoHost has good pricing and as a matter of fact I was considering it last week when I was shopping around for a new galleries server. I am not familiar with your tech support however I did do my homework and your network as far as price I think you have pretty good deals. Still after doing my homework I ended up getting a server else where because 1 of points wasn't met. Mostly your network wasn't there. just my :2 cents: |
To bring everything full circle, here is an administrative summary of what the FCP was able to improve on my network today so far... Remember this is not an accurate overall measurement of improvement, merely for the prefixes and routing that this device actually measured and changed around. Low traffic prefixes are unlikely to get engineered for a better route because the device simply can't look at every destination in the world surfing our network.
Jan 2 12:00 AM EST to Jan 3 12:00 AM EST Summary Average Prefixes Reported 18963 Unique Prefixes Optimized 61251 Average Latency Improvement 55ms (42%) Average Loss Improvement 28% Cheers, Brad |
Hi Rick,
Thank you for taking the time to post. I'm happy to address everything you mentioned as I think that you're quite a bit off base with most of your post. Starting with your "Brad I don't see How MojoHost has anything to bragg about" comment...... We're not posting for bragging rights. I didn't come here to say that we are the largest host as clearly we are not. I made an educated post that you could probably learn some things from if you actually took the time to read through it and ask questions about those things you don't understand. Second, the sources you queried to find out the networks that we are connected to aren't entirely accurate. They aren't correct/complete for us and I know they aren't correct for NationalNet either. They don't show any of the direct peer relationships that we have (a dozen or so) and they don't reflect one of the other carriers that we connect to, Hurricane. If you had actually read my post I've already spoken to Cogent connection in advance and in anticipation of a comment like you are making. We have a 1G connection to Cogent and route 200 megabit of absolutely best routes over it and as stated earlier we don't burst on that link. To suggest that we're not making the best use of that link and that with as well connected as Cogent is today (versus years ago) is simply uneducated. I'm not "one of those folks" talking about how my network is superior to the rest although to be quite honest I don't believe there is an argument that can be made that it's not among the finest infrastructures in place. Quantitatively, we do not have the largest network in terms of total network connectivity. This isn't a discussion about quantity though, it's one about quality, and we do a superb job with what we have in place. Out of our 34 gigabit of connectivity we're only utilizing around 15% of our capacity, even less when we do our next 10G carrier upgrade. With regard to "Everyone knows where the biggest affiliate programs today are hosted and I guess for a good reason." well can I assume that you just came in here pick a fight? I have news for you, there isn't an adult host in this marketplace that hasn't lost business to MojoHost over the last year - large, medium and smaller clients. But again, this isn't a post about who is the largest. You're completely missing the point of this thread. With regard to NationalNet and ISPrime they are well respected competitors and I believe if you were to speak with them and ask their views on my company you would hear the same in return. NationalNet, for example, arrived to market long before I did with our company and as I have said many times over we admire the good work that they do just as we respect ISPrime for being a formidable competitor. With regard to your comment on 'Seabone' well that's actually Telecom Italia Sparkle, the Italian equivalent of ATT. So when they extended their network to the states and down to Latin America they have done an excellent job building their infrastructure and from the metrics I have access to have clearly succeeded. They have excellent peer relationships both in Europe and stateside which have enormous value. So again, there is your perception and the reality of how I know them as a carrier. And they are not inexpensive, to boot. I think that you have the right idea but honestly not the experience on how to evaluate a network infrastructure. Clearly, you're off to a good start but the devil with network infrastructures is always in the details. How routing decisions are made and how the edge network configurations are done is very important and that's not something that most hosts make disclosures about although we are more than happy to. Cheers, Brad |
Brad I am not here to pick a fight I am simply stating my thoughts, I did take time to read your post I just don't find it informative at all. After all I don't think a busy webmaster has time to look through your tables and have time to make sense of it. I bet 99% of the readers can't make out what these tables mean. So how can anyone learn from something they don't understand?
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of Brad's post. 96% of the time Cogent is not the best choice for a particular connection, so Mojohost doesn't use Cogent 96% of the time. 4% of the time, the fastest route from one place to another is Cogent, so Mojohost uses Cogent for those connections. Similarly with the other backbone providers - Mojohost uses the best backbone for each particular route by actually measuring the perfomance of the different routes throughout the day. As shown by the number posted, that will sometimes DOUBLE the speed of the link compared to another host who akes assumptions about which backbone will be best. Sometimes Cogent is twice as fast as Level3 and it darn sure akes sense to use Cogent in those instances where it's twice as fast. Now the only question is do NatNet and ISPrime ALSO use an FCP in a similar fashion in order to always use the best route? If not, NatNet customers are paying for premium brand bandwidth when Cogent would be both faster and cheaper. |
very informative :) thanks for your time
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information and tables of data so it would be easy to miss the point. So let me summarize the point, as I read it: Mojohost gives you faster connections because they have a fancy device that chooses the best backbone to use for each surfer. |
you guys think to much
i host with brad because he gives me lapdances. what else is their really to think about? |
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shhhhh we're not bros! :1orglaugh |
Brad can you pls contact me on icq?
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zomg, brain food
Great post. Information that people can learn from, wtf is going on around here? It has inspired my first post in a long time.
Since we aren't talking about any specific host, I will comment... * Using performance metrics as primary routing decision, awesome. * Relying on this to aggregate a mixed bag of shitty to great providers into one good "blended provider," probably not good some of the time. * A host not using provider pricing as primary metric when making routing decisions, very hard to believe, but maybe there are still good people left in this industry that run hosting businesses. I also want to disagree with Ross because the reason many people in this industry are stupid is because nobody is sharing good information to get them unstupid. I always wanted to use this 2c thing so here goes :2 cents: |
Intresting what people post as technical info and try to use it to claim a level of clue. Brad I don't think we know each other so this isn't a shot at you, and since I don't sell or work , for anyone that sells hosting this isn't meant as a slam to try to sell something. But basing a routing decession and letting a tool do it automajically as a way to design a network and claim your is great because of it, your spreading more bad info then good for people.
If you want understand why you payed alot for a tool that may be a great marketing plug, but does little for your network health I'd be glad explain. I don;t post here much last few yrs, but if you want to take me up on it, I'll let you know my background and such off line, no charge take my advice or not. Some most people have never gotten for free :) |
You're one of a kind, Brad. Great post.
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Great post Brad!
Those FCP are fantastic machines we are using them for the past few months with great success. Did they force you to put those remote collectors as well? |
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I host with Brad even though I don't get lapdances. I've been a happy customer for a long time. |
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:thumbsup Brad |
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I guess there are some great people here after all :winkwink: |
do you have any pics online of your data center?
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nice post, good lookin out buddy ")
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''Hidden Video' MojoHost Cage 1 You might want to turn the volume down when you watch it.. the cooling and servers are loud in there! The datacenter itself is something fantastic, the Terremark NAP of the Americas in Miami, Florida. There are a ton of photos all over the internet of that site and it's really something incredible to see in person. I'm hoping to find the time to redo the website shortly and when I do it will include a collection of professionally shot photos and videos of both the datacenter and cage deployments. As we have done in 2006 and 2007 we will be doing multiple tours during the August Internext show :) Cheers, Brad |
Brad,
Out of curiosity, What was your decision making process in selecting the internat FCP platform over say the Avaya/RouteScience platform? |
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What Milan said, basically when we were in the market 18 months ago I tried to get information on the device from Avaya from it's Routscience acquisition but was unsuccessful in receiving any current contact or product information from their sales department.
Internap had been persuing us for quite some time, flown out, done a demonstration and offered an evaluation period. Their installed base of customers lended great credibility and we ultimately decided that their product was the best fit, even though we really couldn't find anything else on the market to compare it to. Brad |
edit: Didn't read very well ;-)
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Brad,
A rather insightful post. However, unfortunately the FCP is not the be-all end-all of network performance - it's not a panacea, nor is it even adequate on its own. It is certainly not a replacement for qualified, top-tier network engineers. As an example for you, here are some sample traceroutes from T1 in Miami (close to NOTA) taken earlier today. You have higher latency than several other hosts when you are geographically substantially closer. All of these other hosts which are FARTHER away (NYC or Atlanta) and do in fact have rather dramatically lower latency than you. The routing technology you've employed is not doing anything to improve this route, and the other hosts are already naturally getting better routes, or are tweaking things themselves better than the FCP is. While I'm sure Internap is pleased you've implemented the FCP, I do hope that you don't feel that this makes your network superior in and of itself - and don't become too reliant on its feature set. Anyone can drop an FCP into their datacenter - or achieve similar or better performance without one. Also, certainly not all of your peers show up in fixedorbit, no one's does, but the bottom line of it is that other hosts lose about the same percentage as you and have more visible. At the end of the day - the FCP can only work with the routes you give it - sure, it might make 3 "poor" networks less poor - but it can't make them good. The traceroutes: 2 tpa-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.27.101) 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec 3 dcx-core-02.inet.qwest.net (67.14.1.250) 36 msec * 36 msec 4 dcp-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.251.62) 40 msec 40 msec dcp-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.251.98) 40 msec 5 Te-4-3.car3.Washington.Level3.net (4.68.110.177) 40 msec 40 msec 40 msec 6 vlan89.csw3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.68.17.190) 40 msec 44 msec 40 msec 7 ae-81-81.ebr1.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.137) 44 msec 48 msec 40 msec 8 ae-2.ebr3.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.69.132.85) 64 msec 64 msec 9 ae-78.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net (4.69.134.53) 56 msec 64 msec 56 msec 10 ae-4-4.car2.Miami1.Level3.net (4.69.133.9) 64 msec 64 msec 64 msec 11 ae-24-24.car4.Miami1.Level3.net (4.69.133.26) 64 msec 64 msec 68 msec 12 EASY-ONLINE.car4.Miami1.Level3.net (4.71.208.6) 336 msec 208 msec 256 msec 13 www.mojohost.com (208.122.213.2) 64 msec 64 msec 64 msec 2 tpa-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.27.101) 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec 3 dcx-core-01.inet.qwest.net (67.14.32.2) 40 msec 40 msec 40 msec 4 dcp-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.251.58) 36 msec dcp-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.251.94) 40 msec dcp-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.251.58) 40 msec 5 ge-6-9.r04.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.8.173) 40 msec 44 msec 40 msec 6 ae-1.r21.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.180) 40 msec 40 msec 40 msec 7 as-0.r21.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.8) 56 msec 44 msec 44 msec 8 po-4.r03.nycmny01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.221) 176 msec 228 msec 328 msec 9 xe-2-2.r03.nycmny01.us.ce.gin.ntt.net (129.250.192.202) 44 msec 44 msec 44 msec 10 76.9.8.53 48 msec 52 msec 64.111.213.153 44 msec 11 host.isprime.com (64.111.215.152) 44 msec 44 msec 44 msec 2 tpa-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.27.101) 8 msec 4 msec 8 msec 3 atl-core-01.inet.qwest.net (67.14.14.2) 20 msec 20 msec 16 msec 4 atl-brdr-04.inet.qwest.net (205.171.21.174) 16 msec 20 msec 20 msec 5 0.so-3-0-0.BR1.ATL4.ALTER.NET (204.255.169.81) 20 msec 20 msec 16 msec 6 0.so-1-1-0.XT2.ATL4.ALTER.NET (152.63.86.174) 16 msec 20 msec 16 msec 7 0.so-6-0-0.XL2.EWR6.ALTER.NET (152.63.17.109) 44 msec 44 msec 0.so-1-0-0.XL1.EWR6.ALTER.NET (152.63.20.69) 44 msec 8 POS7-0.GW2.EWR17.ALTER.NET (152.63.28.49) 44 msec POS6-0.GW2.EWR17.ALTER.NET (152.63.28.45) 44 msec POS7-0.GW2.EWR17.ALTER.NET (152.63.28.49) 44 msec 9 voxel-ewr17-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.8.162) 44 msec 40 msec 40 msec 10 827.ae0.cr1.lga2.us.voxel.net (69.9.184.249) 44 msec 826.ae0.cr1.lga2.us.voxel.net (69.9.185.93) 44 msec 827.ae0.cr1.lga2.us.voxel.net (69.9.184.249) 44 msec 11 5.ge0-1.esr1.c8.lga2.us.voxel.net (69.9.185.99) 44 msec 44 msec 44 msec 12 208.122.14.210 52 msec 44 msec 40 msec 13 www.voxel.net (208.122.6.98) 40 msec 44 msec 40 msec 2 tpa-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.27.105) 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec 3 dcx-core-01.inet.qwest.net (67.14.32.2) 40 msec * 36 msec 4 dcp-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.251.94) 36 msec 44 msec 40 msec 5 ge1-4-1000M.ar2.DCA3.gblx.net (64.208.110.29) 40 msec 44 msec 40 msec 6 64.210.29.178 52 msec 52 msec 52 msec 7 national-net.com (66.115.135.38) 56 msec 52 msec 52 msec Quote:
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I've ran a traceroute from a box I have access to in miami, and found similar results:
2 GE4-3-6-0-grtmiana3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (213.140.38.182) 4 msec GE7-3-1-0-grtmiana2.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (213.140.38.186) 0 msec 0 msec 3 So7-1-0-0-0-grtdaleq3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (213.140.36.37) 28 msec So3-1-0-0-grtdaleq3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (84.16.12.165) 28 msec So7-1-0-0-0-grtdaleq3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (213.140.36.37) 28 msec 4 64.215.195.73 32 msec 32 msec 32 msec 5 te1-1-10G.ar1.MIA2.gblx.net (67.17.108.62) 60 msec 60 msec 60 msec 6 ip-204.246.200.2.gblx.net (204.246.200.2) 140 msec 140 msec 144 msec 7 www.mojohost.com (208.122.213.2) 140 msec 140 msec 144 msec 2 GE4-3-6-0-grtmiana3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (213.140.38.182) 0 msec 0 msec 0 msec 3 So7-0-1-0-grtwaseq3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (84.16.12.173) 28 msec So5-2-0-0-grtwaseq3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net.12.16.84.in-addr.arpa (84.16.12.221) 28 msec So7-0-1-0-grtwaseq3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (84.16.12.173) 52 msec 4 So6-2-0-0-grtnycpt3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net (213.140.37.53) 36 msec 32 msec 36 msec 5 64.111.192.229 32 msec 32 msec 32 msec 6 64.111.192.206 32 msec 32 msec 36 msec 7 64.111.212.74 32 msec 28 msec 36 msec 8 tour.g.18yearsold.com (76.9.5.59) 26 msec 28 msec 28 msec If you've got this device, great, im sure it's helping you, but trying to sound like you have a magical black box that somehow always makes you "the highest quality" is really either being ... incorrect ... in unfairly pumping your own services. You try hard, so do other hosts, claiming to be 'the best' is at the very least spitting in other people's faces. Glass houses, throwing stones. |
Lets not go on a MojoHost / Brad bash fest here.
Sam was correct in stating that it isn't the end-all of network performance. We utilize GNAX's network as one of our providers and their network is 'enhanced' by the RouteScience platform. While the device itself can dramatically improve your outbound routes it has no effect what so ever on your in bound paths. In the traceroutes as posted above it would be a relatively safe assumption to say that the main problem isn't so much the lack of the FCP making a difference on the return path but the pain of the inbound path. With a relatively limited mix of carriers with significant US presence on their networks all of that must be peered off at some point which adds to the undesireable paths to reach peering points for the handoff. BTN has a very weak east coast network, Telia very weak west cost, Seabone / TelcomItalia is very poor in the US in general which leaves only Level3 and GlobalCrossing amd Cogent for solid US coverage. The only way to solve the inbound path issue is to have direct connectivity with as wide of a carrier base as possible to contain the traffic to within that carriers network which *should* but not always be more optimal of an inbound path (sprint, at&t, mci/verizon, savvis, etc). For all it's glory the NAP of the americas has a big disadvantage. It's in Miami. While thats great for connectivity to the southern hemisphere and parts of europe it's not advantageous for american destinations. As you noticed there is very little peering if any going on in miami in all those traces things were backhauled to another city further north, ie washington to make the handoff and then back down to miami. |
Let me be the first to admit... I have no fucking clue what this is about... so i'll get the hell out of this thread now :)
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