CCBill clamping down on links...
 

CCBill continues its slow but relentless check-up of client's link pages. As you're probably aware by now, CCBill won't process for website's they don't approve of - nor can you link to any site that also links to sites they disapprove of.

For those of you who use CCBill but haven't received The Call yet, below are the elements/words you cannot link to, and can't link to sites that link to such sites:

> Here's the version CCBill emailed to a client in September 2005:
> CCBill's ''AUP'' limits - cannot have on webpages/site and cannot
> link to such webpages/sites. Any and all depictions and/or actual
> occurrences and/or content and/or marketing and/or references to: 1.
> Underage: Provocative and/or Non-Provocative; including Hentai or
> animations. - 2. Rape: Rape, involuntary sex or forced sex; in all
> mediums including Hentai or animations. - 3. Bodily Excretions:
> Scat/fecal matter, person to person watersports, and/or a woman's
> period or menstruation. - 4. Extreme Violence: Acts of extreme
> violence, and/or depictions of extreme violence in all mediums
> including Hentai or animations. Extreme pain and/or implying and/or
> suggesting extreme pain. Flogging (severe beating). - 5.
> Bloodletting or Bloodshed. Consumption of Blood. (Webmasters note!
> The blood rule can affect your linking to vampire fetish, goth
> fetish, and horror movie fetish sites!) Self-mutilation.
> Cannibalism. Depiction of gore inflicted by oneself and/or another
> individual or group. 'Snuff' or 'Fantasy Snuff' content and/or
> content involving or implying death or serious bodily injury.
> Autopsy photos. (Webmasters note: This can affect your linking to
> necro fetish and "darksites".) - 6. Diaper Fetish: Diapers, Diaper
> Fetish and/or sites which depict models in diapers in all mediums
> including Hentai or animations; Sexual or Non-Sexual. --- Forbidden
> on CCBill's website but not mentioned in the email list: Bestiality,
> Incest. --- Not forbidden on CCBill's website and not in the email
> list, but forbidden according to CCBill staff: Chloroform (chloro,
> chloroformed), Kidnap (kidnapped, kidnapping), Ransom.

So a word to the wise. If you're processing with CCBill - check and recheck your website links, and follow the chain to avoid getting The Call.

One of the largest bondage porn companies almost lost their provider a
couple of days ago for a very similar reaon...they were linked to a
site...and that site had a link list (top list) and somewhere buried
in there was a site with beastiality...so that was over 3 sites away
and the merchant flipped out, shut them down for 12 hours and
basically said if it happens again they'll be out for good.

Yeah, I wouldnt process for that stuff either, but kinda sux =(

Did you even read the list? Much of it on there is perfectly legal in North America - and there's no justification of why they won't process for it. It comes down to their own anal subjective prudeness.

Every move they make is to keep the business safe, clean and honest.

lame. some of that is no big deal at all.

WTF???? Cannibalism?????

Who does cannibalism sites?

That's a new one. :helpme :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

why would they ban Cannibalism?

j/k :)

LOL KRL was faster ;-)

...and this protects the vast majority of us! I don't mind them taking the safer road as that truly does benefit the majority of webmasters and the inudustry as a whole.

Plus, remember, CCBill is a private company and they have the right to process for whoever they want. No one has a God given right to processing through CCBill.

As an industry, we need a safe and secure CCBill and this is part of the price for that.

Matt

And there you have it, it is their program, their processing, their everything, if they choose not to have dealings with something, they have the right to do so. I know that sounds harsh, but at the end of the day, it is their system and they do have a right to refuse anything they choose to refuse.

And frankly, much of what they have added to that list, I agree with 100% and have wondered why they never did this before.

BUT, in the end, just as your sites are yours and you get to choose who you deal with, so do they and that's just bottom line. :) I am not being rude, but it is their system.

LOL
Matt, I think we were on the same page at the same time. :thumbsup

Also - I don't know that its CCBill per se that determines these things.

Remember that VISA packs a punch in these matters and probably they're the ones who dictate certain things to the 3rd party guys.

I know one dude who runs a necro site and it doesn't matter who he tried to go with - same thing; Visa said, supposedly, that its a no-no.

Really? lol

WINNER WINNER WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is called long term business planning and compliance with Card Associations wishes. We feel that is an important feature of your Processor Company. Do You? I know of a processor that is going to loose their Mastercard Privileges over this next week(don't ask I am not telling and no it is not Paycom) , for not spending the 7 figures per year that we do checking for things like this. Sucks but it is a REALITY.

Maybe I should change our slogan to "We work harder so you can make more money marketing like DIESAL does with CCbill. LOL


Diesal Cya at the PhoenixForum :)


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That would be an awesome slogan Ron :thumbsup

exactly

why go just on or over the edge risking everything

better safe then sorry imho

ps love to have a beer or two next week :)

Interesting news. In the U.S., those niches are all either illegal or extremely taboo. I believe the majority of legit webmasters will not have a problem with this.

When playing by Mastercard or Visa's Rules its best to go that extra mile to make sure your nowhere near the line of crossing it. We only have 2 decent processors left and luckily they are solid and here for the long haul.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

jesus, hentai is on the list? someone please tell them that the weird looking tenticle people aren't real...

bart simpson called me and said he was pissed about this email

ha! that's crazy!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...m+porn&spell=1

4th link. You have been warned.

unreal how sick some people are. unfortunately those pics are real.

Yeah, I changed the link out on a second thought, but now it's back :|
Apologies in advance for bad taste.

Would Kidnap by aliens be a no-no? :Oh crap I am totally serious.

I don't mind them banning something like cannibalism or necro, but what the heck are they thinking about by banning something like piss. How is that weird? A lot of people love the piss thing, and it's becoming more and more normal. Same thing with diapers. A 35 year old woman dressed in a diaper is not implying that she is underage, it is just a fetish. What will they ban next, school girl uniforms? How about pigtails?

I think they are trying to avoid the association with shitting, banning the diaper thing. Yes its an ultraconservative move but a lot of shit sites have been closed down.

btw, totally unrelated but an interesting fact.......Hitler liked to be shit on by women and pissed on.

Looks like Hentai sites are in for some rough times. Most of the characters look 12 and it seems like they like to show pain.

I hope ccbill wasn't the processor doing that. Not that any of the sites I link to have links to any of this shit (and are unlikely to, since my stuff is mostly softcore niche) however if someone signed up at a site that I'm trading with and got auto-approved on their toplist I'd be pretty pissed if my site got banned over someone else's auto posted links. :Oh crap

No, they're not.
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/cannibal/fetus.htm

All illegal or taboo? Really?

Best be gettin' Hollywood on the phone and tell'em to close up shop. I could've sworn I've seen many of those topics in the movies.

While I agree with most of those rules and fully agree that it's the right of the CCBill owners to decide what they will and won't process for, I do have a problem with the inclusion of "depictions of pain or violence"..... I mean really now, why is it called "acting" and is acceptable when depicted in movies and on TV, but is magically a huge no-no simply because it's on the web?

Something is wrong with such double standards.

There are plenty of fetish models, producers and actors who would take severe exception to those specific rules.

thanx for posting that, NR. its better to know those are fake than real.

Even Penthouse has featured peeing photos.

Exactly...its nothing but a double standard.

Sure, its their own company and they're free to dictate policy however they want...but that doesn't stop us from questioning their censorship practices.

If they cease doing processing for sites that link to sites that contain their banned elements - where does it all end? Hell, I'm willing to wager almost any site that contains links these days will eventually wind up leading to a porn site of one kind or another far downstream.

And while I realize they're also subject to the censorship whims of Visa...there's stuff on that list that isn't outlawed by Visa.

Our AUP is not there just to protect CCBill against Visa issues, it is also there to protect CCBill legally and financially, and we process for other credit cards other than Visa and we have to comply with ALL association rules, not just Visa.

In and of itself, CCBill does not make more money by rejecting sites. First and foremost, we are in business for the long haul and will not engage in practices that put CCBill at risk.

SilentKnight, I happen to know a lot about how our Policy Review Department works and the reasoning behind all of our policies, I can answer any and all questions you have about our policies, no problem?if you really want to know, icq me 45471840

And if I don?t talk to you, have a good weekend

wow hard list to follow. that would basically mean ccbill wouldnt process for any major hollywood movie.. I cant think of one movie that wouldn't contain at LEAST 1 of the things from that list.. so does that mean no linking to sites like google ? warner bros ?

By these definitions, does asslicking and anal sex count as scat?

http://www.ehacked.com/front_page/articles/cannibalism/

Those don't look like faked fetuses. They look totally real.

Holy shit, its gross and discusting either way.

That is great ccbill is doing that.