When the Tsnuami hit ...
 

It was far more devastating than the Hurricane that hit New Orleans.

Was rape, murder and looting of non essential items rampant in the poor countries hit? Not that was reported, anyway.

Last time such chaos broke out was what, Haiti? What's similiar between New Orleans and Haiti but not the same as Thai Land or Indonesia? You can do the math.

Ooops, now I'm a racist.

What about Florida after Andrew? Were rescue workers being shot at?

What's the number one killer of young black men in America?

Is it armed white men? Police? The Army? The goverment?

Because it wasn't in your back yard...

I'm sorry but you lost me.

I've been reading GFY all day and it appears that most people agree that the reason people are murdering, raping and looting in New Orleans is because they're poor.

I'm just curious as to why that same logic doesn't extend to nations so poor that they make the lower classes of New Orleans look like Bill Gates?

That weird French language that no one can understand? Sucking the blood out of chickens? Zombies?

I don't know. I'm trying to figure out why after a natural disaster the poor of one phsyical location start to prey on each other while the poor of other nations do not. I'm confused.

Armed black men from rival gangs.

So the number one killer of young black men in America is other young black men? God damned whitey!

:thumbsup :thumbsup

I dont know about you but I saw white and black people looting in the New Orleans.

It's definitely the zombies.

What color underwear are you wearing right now?

It's a lot about culture ... asian countries have a MUCH MUCH different cultures

So the make up of the looting mob was approximately the same racially speaking as the make up of the general population? About 70% black and 30% white?

I don't know, becase I have been very busy and unable to watch or read much news coverage.

Okay, what about Florida after Andrew?

When you live in a 3rd world country who the hell do you loot from? There is a larger class seperation here than there was in Thailand. Most sources but you are saying this disaster is bigger than the Tsunami by the way, in fact the largest in America's history and the biggest since the earthquake hit San Fran and the city burned. Asians also deal with adversity differantly than most other races, look at how the Japanese dealt with the bombing of Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, some Arabs flew planes into the world trade building we accepted outside help, they got bombed in multiple places and refused outside help.

Not saying what they are doing is right but there are definitely a few flaws in your methodology.


Americans as a whole deal with things differantly than any other nation, this is why every other country had their mouths open when we went into the middle east. We americans are one of the most violent people on the face of the planet, just our culture, the poor tend to be more violent than most, react more on raw emotion and think less of the consequences of actions because they care less about them usually, there is a larger amount of poor blacks than whites or asians here, sad but true.

There were blacks affected by Andrew, they choose not to act this way, it is the choice of those individuals, like Nagin said, cracked out people will do stupid shit.

Exactly, in most countries they will shrug their shoulders and start putting things right together. They are used to a different ethic where life is a struggle and this is just another obstacle to over come.

They pull together and help each other, they protect the weak and less able. There is also a pride in how people percieve them.

Some of those in this disaster are just seeing it as an opportunity to grab what they do not have.

You do realize that Tsnuami killed over 150,000 people?

Exactly who is calling this Hurricane a larger disaster?

I guess it all depends on how globally you think ...

I'd prefer to blame the looting on Walmart.....if they didn't build it, there would still be local businesses employing local people and the money would stay in the local economy instead of being sucked out of state. Once Walmart opens, well you know the story.....everybody loses except Walmart.



Just joking.......but, Walmart does hurt the local economy.

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Tsunami survivors now fear rape
05/01/2005 - 18:03:49

Exhausted after barely surviving the Asian tsunami, 17-year-old Nelum was lying on the cement floor of a relief centre when she felt a hand on her knee.

It was her 62-year-old grandfather, who pushed himself on top of her, putting his hand over her mouth, recalled Nelum.

?I kept shaking my head and tried to push him off with all my might,? she said, tears rolling down her face.

Another refugee heard the scuffling and rescued the teenager, yanking her grandfather off her.

Already struggling to meet survivors? basic needs, Sri Lankan authorities face a shocking new problem: sexual abuse of traumatised victims, including children.

At least three other cases of child sexual abuse in relief centres have been reported since the tsunami struck, said Sujeeva Amarasena, chief paediatrician at Karapitiya hospital, the main one in the country?s south.

Two gang rapes of woman survivors have been confirmed outside the camps, he said.

The cases have prompted officials to step up security at the island?s makeshift relief centres, many of them overcrowded and understaffed.

The tsunami killed more than 30,000 people in Sri Lanka, and left as many as one million left homeless.

DW Prathapasinghe, chief of police in the country?s south, said it was now mandatory that each centre has at least two police officers, including a woman.

?The situation is now under control,? he said.

The day after her assault, Nelum filed a complaint and police were called in to investigate. She and her 12-year-old sister, Ayesha, were then handed to child welfare authorities in the nearby town of Galle. Her grandfather was taken away by police.

?My biggest fear was that my sister will have had to face my same fate,? she said. ?At least now she?s safe.?

In the days immediately after the tsunami, 335 people, including Nelum and her family, camped out in a single classroom in a schoolhouse in Batapola, 60 miles from Colombo.

A woman ? who lost her 5-year-old daughter, husband and mother to the waves - said she had been repeatedly harassed at the camp on the way to the toilet.

?They were not inmates of the camp. They were from outside,? said the woman, who didn?t want to be identified. ?We now go to the toilet in groups.?

Others have left the camp because they fear being abused.

?I have lost my husband and home,? said Enoka Pushpakumari, who was leaving the camp to make her way to the house of a distant relative. ?I can?t face any more tragedy.?

Aid groups say Sri Lankan officials should have been better prepared for potential sexual abuse.

Rape was an aspect of Sri Lanka?s 20-year-long ethnic war. Activists said they had frequent reports of majority ethnic Sinhalese soldiers raping minority ethnic Tamil women, although few were prosecuted.

Tamil rebels fought for independence in the northern and eastern provinces, claiming discrimination by the majority Sinhalese who dominate the government. A fragile cease-fire has halted fighting.

?What?s disturbing is that in spite of our years of experience handling the displaced, attention is paid only after incidents occur,? said Sunila Abeysekera the rights group Women and Media Collective.

Michael Copland, who?s heading relief efforts by the UN children?s agency in southern Sri Lanka, said his organisation has launched a survey with local authorities to identify unaccompanied children in camps, whose numbers are unknown.

Authorities fear many sexual abuse cases at the camps could go unreported.

http://breaking.tcm.ie/2005/01/05/story183376.html

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Tsunami 'a crushing blow to women'
Oxfam: 3 times more men survived, creating dangerous imbalance

LAMSENIA, Indonesia - The tsunami that overwhelmed Asia in December killed three times more women than men, and the resulting scarcity of female survivors has led to reports of forced marriages and rape, the British-based charity Oxfam International said Saturday.

Although official statistics do not provide the gender of victims, partial data indicates that many more women than men were among the 300,000 people killed or declared missing after the Dec. 26 tsunami devastated the coastlines of 11 countries around the Indian Ocean.

The impact on women was seen especially in Sri Lanka, Indonesia and India. Indonesia, the country hardest hit by the earthquake-generated tsunami, now has villages where men now outnumber women 10-to-1.

?The tsunami has dealt a crushing blow to women and men across the region. In some villages it now appears that up to 80 percent of those killed were women,? said Becky Buel, Oxfam?s policy director. ?This disproportionate impact will lead to problems for years to come unless everyone working on the aid effort addresses the issue now. We are already hearing about rapes, harassment and forced early marriages.?

The report concluded that women suffered disproportionately because they had a more difficult time outrunning the surging waters or the bad luck of being at home while the men were out at sea fishing or in the fields working.

Women vulnerable
As a result, men now far outnumber women in crowded camps and scattered settlements, and the women are vulnerable to a range of abuses, the report said. Sri Lankan women reportedly have been sexually assaulted in camp toilets and domestic violence is on the rise, the report found.

Indonesian women, according to Oxfam and women activists, are being sexually harassed in camps, forced or rushed into marrying much older men and victimized by abusive Indonesian soldiers, who reportedly have strip-searched them.

?We know of at least three marriages in which women married older widowers. What we don?t know is how forced it was,? said Ines Smyth, gender adviser for Oxfam.

?When we asked them, they say they have an obligation to their family and were frightened for the future. If you lost everything you had, including your family, it?s very difficult to refuse whatever is being offered, whether it?s protection or the possibility of a house.?


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7301816/

One or two scattered examples in a country ravaged by civil war for years hardly proves your point I'm afraid.

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Looting begins as a million left homeless

The International Red Cross says more than one million people have been displaced in Sri Lanka, Thailand and India, as hungry islanders in Indonesia turned to looting to survive.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&c2...ooting &meta=

I bet you never bothered reading.....

I doubt if yo have ever been out of your State by the way you write.

Peope can loot if there is less of a class difference and to think otherwise is foolish. This is no way nearly as big as the Tsunami.

Go see other parts of the world beforeyou write about them, you might see something different from what the cinema and TV feed you.

Although Indonesia was the first and worst hit of countries in the region, it is the last to begin receiving relief aid. Two large aftershocks on Wednesday caused many residents, traumatised by their experience, to flee from the coast. Looting of food has been reported throughout this northmost province of Sumatra as aid has proved slow to arrive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_...on_Indo nesia

Do you think using big text makes you right somehow? It doesn't. It makes you look desperate, just so you know.

Looting to survive and stealing Nikes are two very different things.

I did bother reading. I think it's you who did not.

I don't think you understand the scale of the Tsnumai disaster compared to the disaster in New Orleans.

Women, children sexually abused after tsunami



Colombo, Sri Lanka, Jan. 5 (UPI) -- Deprived of the safety of their homes, hundreds of thousands of women and children in the tsunami refugee camps in southern Sri Lanka live in absolute fear of sexual abuse.

Rising incidents of sexual assault on displaced women and children has become a serious problem for the authorities and the aid agencies engaged in relief work.

"In most camps in southern Sri Lanka, women and children are scared to step out of their shelter after dusk," said a Western aid worker. "There have been incidents of sexual assault on young women and children in some camps."

Camp residents and aid workers said that most of the sexual assaults took place when the victim left the shelter in darkness either to find food or for some urgent work.

"Women and children in these camps are afraid to go out and fetch water from the tank provided by us," said the aid worker. "They want protection from the people who are abusing women and children, and it is the duty of the state."

There are military personnel in uniforms of all colors, from nations engaged in relief operations. Even their presence has not reduced the number of attacks. These soldiers do not provide security in the camps; they supply relief. The lax security of the camps has come as a boon to the rapists.

"The soldiers are not here all the time to protect us, so I do not go out of the shelter after sunset," said 17-year-old Sriyani, who now lives in a camp in the southern Galle district. "I have heard that many women and girls have been attacked and raped, so it is better to stay inside till sunrise even if I have to sleep on an empty stomach."

A women's rights organization, the Women and Media Collective, conducted a weeklong survey of the camps and its reports indicated that there was no safety or security arrangement made for the camps.

"We have received reports of incidents of rape, gang rape, molestation and physical abuse of women and girls in the course of unsupervised rescue operations and while residing in the temporary shelters particularly in the south," the Women and Media Collective said in a statement.

At least one case of gang rape has been registered with the police in the southern Galle district, one of the worst-hit areas of the country. The victim was admitted to the district hospital.

"I was shocked to hear that a woman was gang raped," said another relief worker of an international organization. "I could never imagine that these people, who have lost their homes can still stoop to such a low level and abuse women and children, who are homeless like them."

The police and the national child protection authority have begun working with non-governmental organizations to address the problem and collect details of the assaults reported so far.

"We have been getting reports of sexual abuse and harassment of women and girls who are in the camps and also during the rescue operation immediately after the tsunami hit us," said Sepali Kotegoda of Women and Media Collective. "We do know that complaints of sexual harassment and abuse have been made to the police in the south."

Teams are being sent to police stations in these areas to collect details. They will also visit the camps and get more information by talking to women, Kotegoda said.

Non-governmental organizations say that it would not be possible to get statistics of rape and sexual assaults in the camps and villages around them, as many victims do not report to the police fearing social stigma.

Additionally, there is great concern by authorities in the region for the tens of thousands of children who have orphaned by the tsunami. Authorities and relief agencies fear many of them may be prone to kidnapping to be "sold" for sexual favors.


http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...4636-5421r.htm

As Tsunami Recedes, Women's Risks Appear





Women in countries hit hardest by the tsumani face heightened risks of rape and other forms of violence and unmet health needs. Advocates are launching fund-raising appeals and relief efforts to help them.


(WOMENSENEWS)--When the deadly tsunami stole the lives of 150,000 people, it also swept away the structures of established communities, leaving female survivors newly vulnerable to a wide range of threats.

Reports of rape and violence against women and children in the affected areas have been accumulating, but women also face basic health problems due to a lack of personal hygiene products and maternal care.
Several groups are working to build public awareness of the dangers faced by women and girls in the hardest-hit countries of Sri Lanka, Indonesia and the Maldives, and to raise funds specifically earmarked to protect not only women's physical safety, but also their health, dignity and psychological well-being.

"Millions of people have been left homeless, but women's special needs need to be addressed from the outset," says David del Vecchio, a spokesperson from the United Nations Population Fund, based in New York.

Sri Lankan Groups Issues Appeal
A collective of women's rights groups in Sri Lanka has issued a written appeal for public attention to "serious issues concerning the safety and well-being of women which have not been addressed so far in relief efforts."

The five-party group, which includes the Sri Lanka Women's NGO Forum and the Women's Alliance for Peace and Democracy, expressed appreciation towards international aid efforts, but urged that these efforts be "refocused" to address violence against women and the needs of vulnerable communities, such as pregnant or lactating women and unaccompanied children.

Some of the worst breaches of women's rights were outlined earlier this week by the Women and Media Collective group, a women's organization based in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

"We have received reports of incidents of rape, gang rape, molestation and physical abuse of women and girls in the course of unsupervised rescue operations and while resident in temporary shelters," the group said in a statement circulated to the international press.

These claims are raising concerns at MADRE, an international women's human rights organization based in New York.

Yifat Susskind, associate director for MADRE, says that these allegations reflect what typically happens during turmoil. "When communities are under stress, you tend to get a huge upsurge in domestic violence," she says. "We're seeing what we always see in the wake of a disaster: Things start to unravel and people snap." Susskind says that in a crisis, the mechanisms that are usually in place to prevent rape, violence and molestation have disappeared. There are no family members to protect women and girls, no homes in which to hide, and fewer police and armed forces to dissuade would-be criminals.

Violence Warnings from Sri Lanka
MADRE has received similar reports warning about violence against women in displacement camps from INFORM, a Sri Lankan umbrella organization based in Colombo.

In response, MADRE has been appealing to donors and raising money to send to INFORM, which is capable of reaching out immediately to many different communities throughout the region. MADRE staffers declined to say how much money they have raised so far. They say the money will be used to establish and equip emergency health centers that will provide survivors with emergency medical attention, clean drinking water and trauma counseling.

The World Health Organization has said that to fully implement the key activities of their public health strategy, which include access to essential healthcare and a replacement of medical supplies, at least $60 million is urgently required.

Based on their experience with other international crises, staffers at both UNFPA and MADRE said that after any disaster, women in the ravaged society face new pressures.

Women are responsible for attending to the sick, as well as providing care to the elderly and children. These incremental responsibilities can prevent women from getting to distribution sites for food and medicine and from attending to their own personal needs. This is especially true in this disaster. Since so many fishermen were lost at sea, thousands of widows are left alone. Deprived of mates and livelihoods they are left to provide for remaining members of their families.

"The burden falls on women to provide those basic necessities," says Susskind. "At the same time, their needs get sacrificed most when those supplies are scarce."

Pregnancies at Risk
UNFPA, which focuses on reproductive health, has estimated that out of the 5 million people directly affected by the tsunami, at least 150,000 need urgent medical and nutritional support because they are pregnant or facing complications of pregnancy, including trauma-induced miscarriage. "Hardly anyone in the population is getting enough food, and this is especially a concern for pregnant women who need extra nutrition and vitamins," says del Vecchio.

Over 50,000 women within the affected communities are expected to give birth in the next three months. Their ability to deliver under safe and clean circumstances will be jeopardized by the tsunami's destruction of health facilities and loss of medical tools.

Many of these communities have traditionally relied on midwives to provide home-based delivery support, and those midwives who have survived the disaster may find their mobility severely hampered and may not be able to reach the women who need them. These problems pile on top of the already dire situation faced by standard 15 percent of pregnancies that involve labor or other birthing complications.

Women and girls who aren't pregnant are still susceptible to gynecological and reproductive health problems. Hygiene needs are often overlooked in times of crisis, but inadequate supplies--such as a shortage of tampons and sanitary napkins for menstruating women--may hinder mobility as well as personal dignity and can prevent women and girls from getting the care and supplies they need.

Launching a Major Appeal
UNPFA is trying to make sure that aid is earmarked for women in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, the Maldives, Thailand and India. To start, UNPFA has made available $3 million for the provision of the most basic maternity and hygiene support for women throughout the region. The fund has also launched a major appeal to donors to address immediate needs, and to help countries get through the acute phase of the first six months. "The $3 million is seed money," says del Vecchio. UNFPA began issuing appeals yesterday, on Jan. 6, for more money to fund specific projects in each country.

Last July, the Bush administration decided to withhold all $34 million of congressionally approved funding for the United Nations Population Fund. 2004 was the third year in a row the administration blocked the funding.

UNFPA says that it is working with organizations on the ground to provide relief. As footage from tsunami-affected regions on television shows, however, crowds can be intense and frantic, so he expects difficulties in making sure that supplies make it to the hands of female heads of households.

Del Vecchio brings up another challenge. Women, he says, are often put in a position to barter for supplies, he says, and sometimes they barter themselves sexually, to feed their children. Del Vecchio says one way to ensure fair distribution of supplies is to put women in charge.

"We have found that women are good at aid distribution. They know family by family, who needs what. In addition, putting women in charge makes them less vulnerable to molestation."

Corrie Pikul is a staff reporter for Women's eNews.

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/2137

There are a lot of good people down there who are being lumped in with the scumbags. The gov't is 100% to blame for the events that occurred in the aftermath. It didn't help that they emptied out some of the jails...

Verisexi you sure are a cut and paste master. I don't think you really understand the discussion here though and I'm just going to leave it at that.

U.S. "Horrified" at Child Trafficking in Tsunami Aftermath

Reports of rape, kidnapping and trafficking of children already victimized by the Indian Ocean tsunami are considered credible by the U.S. State Department, according to department spokesman Adam Ereli, who addressed the subject in a briefing January 5.



http://usinfo.state.gov/gi/Archive/2...06-481573.html

Actually yes there were shooting, looting and eveything you see now whats going on in New orleans. I was down there for andrew and it was not pretty. It took me and my room room mate 2 days walikin to get to a recovery center. We broke a few windows got some food and water and continued down the beach line because roads were blocked , power lines were on the ground and eveything else you could imagin. We stoped and helped a few people who needeed to be helped. It took me 6 weeks total total to get back to my home town.

So for you to say something like this shows you are talkin completly out of your ass and have no clue what the hell you talkin about :2 cents:

Your saying the blacks are animals and I am proving to you that all humans can do fucked up things.

Women, children sexually abused after tsunami

Deprived of the safety of their homes, hundreds of thousands of women and children in the tsunami refugee camps in southern Sri Lanka live in absolute fear of sexual abuse.
Rising incidents of sexual assault on displaced women and children has become a serious problem for the authorities and the aid agencies engaged in relief work.

"In most camps in southern Sri Lanka, women and children are scared to step out of their shelter after dusk," said a Western aid worker. "There have been incidents of sexual assault on young women and children in some camps."

Camp residents and aid workers said that most of the sexual assaults took place when the victim left the shelter in darkness either to find food or for some urgent work.

"Women and children in these camps are afraid to go out and fetch water from the tank provided by us," said the aid worker. "They want protection from the people who are abusing women and children, and it is the duty of the state."

There are military personnel in uniforms of all colors, from nations engaged in relief operations. Even their presence has not reduced the number of attacks. These soldiers do not provide security in the camps; they supply relief. The lax security of the camps has come as a boon to the rapists.

"The soldiers are not here all the time to protect us, so I do not go out of the shelter after sunset," said 17-year-old Sriyani, who now lives in a camp in the southern Galle district. "I have heard that many women and girls have been attacked and raped, so it is better to stay inside till sunrise even if I have to sleep on an empty stomach."

A women's rights organization, the Women and Media Collective, conducted a weeklong survey of the camps and its reports indicated that there was no safety or security arrangement made for the camps.

"We have received reports of incidents of rape, gang rape, molestation and physical abuse of women and girls in the course of unsupervised rescue operations and while residing in the temporary shelters particularly in the south," the Women and Media Collective said in a statement.

At least one case of gang rape has been registered with the police in the southern Galle district, one of the worst-hit areas of the country. The victim was admitted to the district hospital.

"I was shocked to hear that a woman was gang raped," said another relief worker of an international organization. "I could never imagine that these people, who have lost their homes can still stoop to such a low level and abuse women and children, who are homeless like them."

The police and the national child protection authority have begun working with non-governmental organizations to address the problem and collect details of the assaults reported so far.

"We have been getting reports of sexual abuse and harassment of women and girls who are in the camps and also during the rescue operation immediately after the tsunami hit us," said Sepali Kotegoda of Women and Media Collective. "We do know that complaints of sexual harassment and abuse have been made to the police in the south."

Teams are being sent to police stations in these areas to collect details. They will also visit the camps and get more information by talking to women, Kotegoda said.

Non-governmental organizations say that it would not be possible to get statistics of rape and sexual assaults in the camps and villages around them, as many victims do not report to the police fearing social stigma.

Additionally, there is great concern by authorities in the region for the tens of thousands of children who have orphaned by the tsunami. Authorities and relief agencies fear many of them may be prone to kidnapping to be "sold" for sexual favors.

http://www.aegis.com/news/upi/2005/UP050101.html

Were there rapes and bad things happening in countries devestated by Tsnuami? Absolutely, of course. It happens every day in countries not hit by any devestation at all.

Was it as prevolent as it appears to be in New Orleans? Fuck no. Where are the news articles about Indonesians shooting at their rescuers? Please stop pasting long, drawn out bullshit that doesn't support your post. You're obviously not reading what you're posting or don't understand scale. I'm not sure which at this point.

Where exactly did I say blacks were animals? You're not actually proving anything other than you can cut and paste and you think using larger text is somehow going to make your point. :2 cents:

Wrong all the prisoners of the jail still sittin there watin to be picked up like the rest of the folks.

The sheirff did not want to evacuate the jails.

I just proved to you that just as many fucked up things happened after the tsunami as new orleans. If the indonesians had access to guns it would have been even worse but I guess they can murder with machetes. :Oh crap