This "deal" is a crock of shit if you ask me.
 

"Under the deal with the Justice Department, authorities won?t conduct any inspections or pursue any claims to FSC members, but the government reserves the right to inspect and prosecute anyone who is not a plaintiff or FSC member.

According to the stipulation, the Justice Department will choose a special master who will then check the entity?s name against a sealed and confidential FSC membership list. The special master will be appointed by the court, with the consent of the parties, and will be under a specific obligation to maintain the confidentiality of the FSC membership list.

A master list of members will be submitted to the special master on Wednesday, June 29, and will include all FSC members as of 2 p.m. (PST) on Saturday."

So in other words, if you can't afford or choose not to support the FCS for any reason, your fucked. This is not a matter of me being a member or not, this is about paying someone or an entity to protect you. If you don't pay up, you don't get on a "protected list" and you because a target on June 29th. That almost sounds like a mafia thing.

What good is the FSC of they can not fight for EVERYONE'S right and not those who just pony up money to give to them?

I say it's a crock of shit. :2 cents:

You're white and you know you are
You're white and you know you are


We'll make you an offer, you can;t refuse

Sounds like we're still going to have to be compliant anyways, at some point. Might as well start now.

Well, it does kind of conflict with the FSC assertion that they will never release their member list

The point is you have to pay to be protected in this "deal" they have. Again, this has nothing to do with me, I'm straight... I just don't think it's fair to people who are not or can not become FSC members. $300 may not be much to you or me, but to the little guys just starting out that is a lot of money to give away.

Do they expect foreign webmasters to pay into this? :1orglaugh

Nasty indeed...fell sorry for you guys :/

DWB I dig you man. but............


1. FSC is a membership based industry organization. If you wanted to be part, I am sure they will let you.

2. You can still call your lawyer and file for your own TRO, and injunction.

3. It is silly to say they are not fighting for everyone. If they are successful in having the law changed or altered THAT will affect everyone.

I think it sucks that people are having an issue with something that is fucking clear. FSC went to court to get a TRO. I am in the FSC so in reality I took steps to get a TRO. Did non FSC members file anything other than a complaint on gfy that they felt like they were having the screws put to 'em.
NO they didn't, and I refuse to believe that people can't afford to join the FSC. 50 bucks thats it.

and the people who don't feel they should have to be a member can wait , and prey that someone else fixes things for them, and that nothing happens in the meantime.

$300speechcoalition.com now for sale :) jk

Its time the adult net became a real business, a big problem is the cost of getting has been way too low. When I opened a small lingerie business it cost me 15 grand just to open the doors. I hate to sound harsh but someone cant afford $300 , its time to find a new hobby also with the gov cracking down this isnt the safest part time job to have anymore.We have to all get behind the fsc, the days of someone else will pay my way are over.

Thank you!

Somebody else "gets it"!

2257 is still a regulation as of today, if you file a suit against them maybe you'll get a TRO as well. Right now the plaintiff list is pretty small, though it includes members of the FSC. The plaintiffs got their "deal", not the general public. Now, if in the end the plaintiffs win everything, then EVERYBODY benefits because the law and regulation will be changed.

Again... I'm straight here. My personal attorney is Louis Sirkin, one of the cats who filed for FSC, he got me hip to this when it first went down.

I understand how it works, I just think it's a shitty deal for those who can't afford it or dosn't want to support the FSC for whatever reason (people do have their reasons). It's $300 for webmasters. $50 for talent.

A good deal would of been to not enforce the NEW regulations AT ALL until this is sorted out, and not just protect those who support the cause.

the fsc donation only bought you time. When everyone thought the money was going to fight this rediculous law..pathetic

300$ is a lot of money. I rarely having $300 lying around and I work my fuckin ass off every single day for many years, another thanks to Bush "successful" means living just enough in the red you can go 2 weeks without getting paid. And good luck trying to save up to buy a home these days. $300 might as well be $3 grand. Either way most of us couldn't afford the price of freedom if they decide to target any of us, "protected" or not. I can't believe what is happening in this country, what a sham(e).

I wonder if those who can comply and take the risk will have better sales given the amount of "free hardcore", we've all bitched about for so long, will become less abundant.

$300? Many have paid $8k.

I'm all for joining but I'm a little confused with the "types" of memberships.

Lets look at that "website/webmaster" designation
That seems like its my definition.

Lets say I have 10 websites
Thats 300x10 according to a line item on their join form.

What if one or two or three of those 10 is sorta the ones to be concerned about. The rest are text link sites

Now its gonna be 2x300?? 3x300? But I really have 10, Do I now lie to them?? They don't break it down much further.

I'm thinking hardly anyone has just "one" website around here
Do you tell them which one of your group you want listed?

What does 50.00 get you, just the right to say you contributed but no other protection?


More clarity is needed...

If they're swamped, that's a bad excuse too
I haven't had any emails with these questions answered for the past 2 days

$300 is not alot of money. if you work your ass off every day for many years and cannot come up with $300, i'd say you should find a new job or learn a skillset.

Per domain would be like charging a performer a fee for every nick/pseudo/stage name he/she uses. It was my initial impression it was per person/business. Clarification is needed I agree.

somebody has to paid for the lawyers

Not to sound harsh, but maybe it's time to rethink your path for success in life.
If you have been working that hard for that long and can not afford to protect your own best interests, this may not be the industry for you.

This is exactly the type of person I am talking about.

Do we know if the lawyers are getting paid? This is a dream case for sure high profile first amendment attorneys. I honestly don't know if they are or not.

If you go to the FSC's membership application page:

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/application.php

and click on the "individual" catagory radio button;

you will see that an unincorporated webmaster's dues are $300 per year.

If you are incorporated and click on the "corporate" radio button, then the dues are $300/per site for the corporation.

Start now? :(

You should have started long ago

We should all thank our lucky stars that there is a deal that we can participate in and be protected until the outcome is decided.

Stay compliant in the meantime.

Point conceded. It's a no-joke fee and I value my earnings. It just feels like throwing money into what is a good cause, but with no guarantees in the long run. I'd be buying time I don't need because I'm in compliance as now just as much as I will be in August. I would like to support the FSC tho, I like what they are doing, good to have them around. I hate to see people closing up shop because they can't afford or dont want to join - the concept of the "masters" and lists is frightening.

I am gonna pay my dues.

Leia...

Just for my own curiosity...
Are you a man or a woman?
Do you run your sites alone, or with a business partner?
Do you run your sites from home or an office?
How many domains do you operate?
How has your sales and marketing campaigns been going?

These may seem a bit personal, but I'm very curious. You can reply to me on ICQ if you wish to reply at all... 114683191 or email fxgrunt at earthlink.net

Aren't we always being told to "incorporate" as a way to shield ourselves and our assets??? Seems odd that all of a sudden a webmaster who has actually "incorporated" gets hit with a 300 per website fee while an individual who does not gets a 1x fee of 300.

What about an LLC, not a true corporation but many of the same type of benefits.

Still a bit confused though .....

will figure it our soon enough I guess

Redshoe,
I don't know if you know this or not but there is a $100 per roach fee.

this fsc is one big joke.. no way im paying for this.

i cosnider this as blackmail.

You should pay them just for the work they've done in the past to protect you business.

Why do you think Larry Flynt is a big supporter? Because they are a "joke"?

:1orglaugh

8K Brad? Gaak! You got off CHEAP!
Colin

Okay, I usually don't post on any boards, but this particular thread seems to need a bit of a wakeup call.

If FSA had not managed to pull off what it did today, the results would be horrid. Even if various webmasters were not put into orange jumpsuits over the next 30 days and sent to Gitmo, the lack of any clear opposition would be what the high courts would see as "sitting on your rights" (translation = you had your moment to protest. you didn't. deal with it.). While I suspect that DOJ will come back with a vengence after the August and September dates, if this had not been done, there would have been no history of litigation, supporing documentation, or anything for anyone's personal attorney to present in a criminal defense without re-inventing the wheel.

It is just absurd for anyone to be "dissing" FSA for what they have done. Cambria and Company have forged the tools for a future fight here that could go all the way to the Supreme Court. The 65+ page document they produced was well crafted, set many traps for the DOJ to stumble into, and bought all of us a little time to get fully into compliance under the assumption that this eventually will be upheld to some degree. If you read the DOJ's response, it is arrogant and dismissive - usually a sign of weakness. That they even brokered a deal was also a sign that they felt a need to pull back and regroup. The arguments were strong and if they pushed it, a summary dismissal could have completely wiped out all of 2257. Not good for them - or anyone for that matter.

I have been a professional adult entertainment webmaster for over 10 years now, the "wunderkind" of the various trade associations and conference orgainizers, etc., and the one thing I have always been keenly aware of is that operating an adult site brings hostility from various sectors of society. Like it or not. those "sectors" have given the current administration a "mandate" and need to be thrown a bone. 2257 is the best bone they have, and a very powerful one that could wipe out up to half of the small adult businesses run in the USA if the Secondary Producer Obligations are upheld.

So, as much of a nice guy and mentor as I like to try to be for folks in this industry, I just have to say "get over yourself". You run a business. This is, at the moment, the cost of doing business. Complaining about the FSA is not productive. I'll personally give you $300 to join just to get you to shut up and get behind the rest of the industry that works so hard to be honest and legitimate, against the current tide of conservatism.

Ciao,
Colin

Get the fuck out looser.
Your a filthy fucking no name bottom feeder.

Good post!

I doubt the idiots will read it.

Yeah, nothing is free.............. :2 cents:

So mafia shakedowns are good?

Basically the DOJ is forcing the entire US based adult biz to band together in a union.
Thinking long-term, this is the best thing that could have happened to all of us.